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    2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    I'm new to the forum and glad I found it - although seeing everyone's mods and what's on Suncoasticon has made a slight dent in my wallet. Three months ago I took delivery of a new 2016 Cayman Black base after trading in my 2012 Cayman base. (I was not keen on the 718 four banger with turbos) I've only put a whopping 76 miles on it as three days after taking delivery my friendly Uncle sent me back overseas for fun and excitement in a place that shall remain nameless.... After putting the car on a charger, inflated the tires a little more and covered it up after filling the tank and adding stabil - so no one else in the family with a desire to "keep it in good condition for you dad..." would get ideas, I started looking for some must have modifications. On the appearance front the clear side markers and the higher armrest from Suncoast are ordered and waiting for my return. I'm going to do a few factory performance mods such as the PSE and perhaps a performance plenum when the time is right but here is my question. Mine came with the parking sensors but not/not the backup camera. Has anyone had the Porsche factory backup camera added after delivery? I'm not interested in any sort of aftermarket or wifi camera only the factory one. Has anyone had the dealer install one? If so any ballpark on cost? My thought on factory only is the idea of keeping the car's electrics as uncut and as factory stock as possible. Thanks and what a great site. My 12 was a ball of fun but the 16 seems much more rigid, tight, and responsive. Love it.

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    Re: 2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    I'm of your type (only factory electrical/mechanical mods, and factory looking cosmetic mods), and would do exactly the same. The first question in that case should be if it can be retrofitted without a new module, what it'd entail, and total cost. For starters, you'd need a massive amount of disassembly, and for that alone, I'd forget about it myself (HATE doing that on a brand new car, and end up with rattles, broken tabs, etc), since you already have sensors. You might also need coding, even if your current module has the input for the camera, adding to the cost. Hope you get the answers you need, and also that it's not that much disassembly and cost, if you decide to do it. Congrats on your new car, and if you were referring to uncle Sam, be safe wherever you are, and thank you for your service.
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    Re: 2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    Actually it is not too hard to add a backup camera yourself. See my DIY here. The NAV-TV is basically a plug and play module, and requires almost no cutting. It looks OEM and can be done for well under $1k. Not sure but I'm guessing that a dealer retrofit would be at least twice that.
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    Re: 2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    Appreciate the responses and I have read the threads on the NAV-TV option but I'm only interested in the stock factory option. Would welcome hearing from anyone who has had the stock option factory camera added to theirs - if it is even an option. Thanks.

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    Re: 2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    Never heard about anybody doing factory retrofit. Don't think it's possible. Even if it is - as all things retrofit it'd cost so much, that everybody who needs camera - go aftermarket.

    I installed aftermarket camera + mirror with camera display. Then only splice that was required is in the trunk to tap into reverse lights signal. No cutting anything at all. The cost of all equipment was under $200 IIRR
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    Re: 2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    I enquired at the dealer, as I also have parking sensors without the camera. I thought maybe the camera might be a plug and play addition, for maybe not much more than the cost of the factory installed option. But no... the answer I got from both the parts and service advisors was that it just isn't possible. So it appears that aftermarket is the only way, but I'm not going to do it.
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    Re: 2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    Quote Originally Posted by Shovelhead View Post
    Appreciate the responses and I have read the threads on the NAV-TV option but I'm only interested in the stock factory option. Would welcome hearing from anyone who has had the stock option factory camera added to theirs - if it is even an option. Thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Caymancouver View Post
    I enquired at the dealer, as I also have parking sensors without the camera. I thought maybe the camera might be a plug and play addition, for maybe not much more than the cost of the factory installed option. But no... the answer I got from both the parts and service advisors was that it just isn't possible. So it appears that aftermarket is the only way, but I'm not going to do it.
    I know you both said no to aftermarket, but have now found out that the option to do a factory install/retrofit is not possible... this was my stance initially too, but after careful research have decided to proceed.

    FWIW, I have the parts on order for just this, NAV-TV integrated into the factory PCM, from what I see there will be no outward/visible indicator that none of this is not factory save for the fact that I plan to add a front camera as well.
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    Re: 2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    Forgot to offer that there is another alternative for those that want a minimum of hassle to install something like NAV-TV: Pearl Reaview Back-up Camera
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    Re: 2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Design View Post
    Never heard about anybody doing factory retrofit. Don't think it's possible. Even if it is - as all things retrofit it'd cost so much, that everybody who needs camera - go aftermarket.

    I installed aftermarket camera + mirror with camera display. Then only splice that was required is in the trunk to tap into reverse lights signal. No cutting anything at all. The cost of all equipment was under $200 IIRR
    Which aftermarket camera/mirror did you get? Got any pics?

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    Re: 2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    Quote Originally Posted by halcyon View Post
    Which aftermarket camera/mirror did you get? Got any pics?
    It looks like a normal auto-dimming mirror, unless you switch into reverse, then half of the mirror is a display.



    Here's thread about it: in-mirror display for backup camera - thoughts and questions

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    Re: 2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    Thanks. I finally gave up on the factory option, which the dealer said was "technically possible" but very expensive if they did it. So I went with the NAV-TV option and it works great. It makes use of the PCM and includes the pcm, front and rear visual and audible parking sensors. It's about 170 degrees field of view and as far as I can tell the display appears as with the factory backup camera. In mine the image of the car appears on the left of the screen and the turn lines are in the center along with the camera displayed. I went with a camera that mounts above and behind the license plate so that is the only thing that does not appear factory - this since I did not want to be drilling holes in the body work. Does anyone know how the factory camera mounts and is it available and compatible with the NAV-TV? I've seen some online which look like a license plate light kit with camera but not sure if this is the factory one for 981s. I could only find this for 987s. All in with parts and labor it set me back $996.00 at an audio install place in Northern VA. By the way they tries two "Crux" modules first and no go. NAV-TV worked out the box.

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    Re: 2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    Quote Originally Posted by Shovelhead View Post
    Thanks. I finally gave up on the factory option, which the dealer said was "technically possible" but very expensive if they did it. So I went with the NAV-TV option and it works great. It makes use of the PCM and includes the pcm, front and rear visual and audible parking sensors. It's about 170 degrees field of view and as far as I can tell the display appears as with the factory backup camera. In mine the image of the car appears on the left of the screen and the turn lines are in the center along with the camera displayed. I went with a camera that mounts above and behind the license plate so that is the only thing that does not appear factory - this since I did not want to be drilling holes in the body work. Does anyone know how the factory camera mounts and is it available and compatible with the NAV-TV? I've seen some online which look like a license plate light kit with camera but not sure if this is the factory one for 981s. I could only find this for 987s. All in with parts and labor it set me back $996.00 at an audio install place in Northern VA. By the way they tries two "Crux" modules first and no go. NAV-TV worked out the box.
    Thanks for posting about your install, I have a few questions if I may...

    1) It sounds like you already had the parking sensors but no camera?
    2) When you say turn lines, are you referring to the grid? Does it move side to side when you turn the wheel?
    3) Not sure about the factory camera, do you have apart number? I bought COOLINT cameras: CT-107B and they will be mounted into the bumper above the rear plate.
    4) Curious about these "Crux" modules? Do you know why they did not work?

    I am waiting for a NAV-TV kit to ship, not inexpensive compared to a simpler mirror replace but I would like the image to appear on the PCM anyway, plus I am planning on installing a front camera at the same time.
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    Re: 2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    Westcoaster, Here's my responses

    1. Yes I had the factory front and rear park assist sensor but no camera.
    2. You're right, its the grid in the center. The lines don't bend as such.
    3. I'm still looking for the factory part number. Since the camera was not standard until 2017, I'm not sure if the 17 will fit the 16. I think it is a combo license plate lite and camera like on the Cayenne and Panamera. I have seen some Chinese version on e-bay that say it will work with the 981 but not sure
    4. The Crux module is another vendor like NAV-TV. The installer tried two but neither would talk to the PCM. The Nav-tv module that did work right out of the box was the NAV-TV PCM3.1 XG-CAM. Cost was $600 and per the installer was plug and play. I waited while they did it and with tear down time of the interior and PCM and install, it was less than a half hour. This appears to be the best option for PCM 3.1. The web site said the PCM needed software version 4 or later in order for it to work and mine had the latest so it was an easy install. I am very happy with it. I hope I can get the factory camera to complete the install. My current camera is fine but would prefer the stock model. Good luck.

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    Re: 2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    Quote Originally Posted by Shovelhead View Post
    Thanks. I finally gave up on the factory option, which the dealer said was "technically possible" but very expensive if they did it. So I went with the NAV-TV option and it works great. It makes use of the PCM and includes the pcm, front and rear visual and audible parking sensors. It's about 170 degrees field of view and as far as I can tell the display appears as with the factory backup camera. In mine the image of the car appears on the left of the screen and the turn lines are in the center along with the camera displayed. I went with a camera that mounts above and behind the license plate so that is the only thing that does not appear factory - this since I did not want to be drilling holes in the body work. Does anyone know how the factory camera mounts and is it available and compatible with the NAV-TV? I've seen some online which look like a license plate light kit with camera but not sure if this is the factory one for 981s. I could only find this for 987s. All in with parts and labor it set me back $996.00 at an audio install place in Northern VA. By the way they tries two "Crux" modules first and no go. NAV-TV worked out the box.
    Nav-TV option sound like a good way to do it if you have upgraded PCM. Having picture on PCM is better than having it in the mirror. I do have some visibility problems in full high sun with to down. I'm sure factory PCM is brighter. But my PCM is base, which is different resolution/module and which I don't believe will work in this scenario.
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    Re: 2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    Quote Originally Posted by Shovelhead View Post
    Westcoaster, Here's my responses

    1. Yes I had the factory front and rear park assist sensor but no camera.
    2. You're right, its the grid in the center. The lines don't bend as such.
    3. I'm still looking for the factory part number. Since the camera was not standard until 2017, I'm not sure if the 17 will fit the 16. I think it is a combo license plate lite and camera like on the Cayenne and Panamera. I have seen some Chinese version on e-bay that say it will work with the 981 but not sure
    4. The Crux module is another vendor like NAV-TV. The installer tried two but neither would talk to the PCM. The Nav-tv module that did work right out of the box was the NAV-TV PCM3.1 XG-CAM. Cost was $600 and per the installer was plug and play. I waited while they did it and with tear down time of the interior and PCM and install, it was less than a half hour. This appears to be the best option for PCM 3.1. The web site said the PCM needed software version 4 or later in order for it to work and mine had the latest so it was an easy install. I am very happy with it. I hope I can get the factory camera to complete the install. My current camera is fine but would prefer the stock model. Good luck.
    Shovelhead, thanks for taking the time to respond, to have input from others that have gone this route is invaluable! I have been researching this project and gathering the parts, I have the Coolint CT-107B cameras, although I have yet to see a factory install camera for my car, all of the pictures I can find tell me that this camera won't look too much different then at all from factory. Attached are a couple of pictures I found on the net. I have asked T-Design to post a picture of his camera installed in his 981 for reference.

    What camera are you currently using?

    Regarding the interface module, it is a good thing that I have settled on the NAV-TV kit you mentioned, it finally shipped today but it will be awhile before I see it up here! Interesting that you said it only took them 1/2 hour to install, they must be masters at Porsche interiors, I figure that I will have my car apart for a least a week!!!
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    Re: 2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    Question for the experts. Just bought a fully-loaded Boxster GTS for my brother, but doesn't have any sensors or cameras. Does the PCM/NAV has the same inputs that if the car had been equipped with sensors/camera? In other words, can the NAT-TV camera be added to his car and work as if it had a factory camera? If yes, is there any coding needed? Hopefully not, since there's no dealer anywhere close. I made sensors/camera a deal-breaker on my car, but my brother didn't, since he wanted a carmine red, and very few fully-loaded come up. Thx.
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    Re: 2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    Quote Originally Posted by ELP_JC View Post
    Question for the experts. Just bought a fully-loaded Boxster GTS for my brother, but doesn't have any sensors or cameras. Does the PCM/NAV has the same inputs that if the car had been equipped with sensors/camera? In other words, can the NAT-TV camera be added to his car and work as if it had a factory camera? If yes, is there any coding needed? Hopefully not, since there's no dealer anywhere close. I made sensors/camera a deal-breaker on my car, but my brother didn't, since he wanted a carmine red, and very few fully-loaded come up. Thx.
    Experts... hmmmm, well I won't say I am that but I do know enough to be dangerous!

    I am in the same boat as your brother (BTW, he is lucky that his brother would buy him a car, mine wouldn't!), anyway my 2016 BGTS did not come with either parking sensors or a back-up camera, I wish I had checked that box, but that is old news now...

    I am adding the NAV-TV kit to my car adding both a rear and front camera, these will display on the PCM much like the factory system, not exactly the same but close. The kit takes care of all connections to the PCM and adds the necessary programing to enable the camera video onto the PCM. In short NAV-TV adds the ability to use the camera(s), but does not add the sensors, the cameras will look very close to what you see in a factory install and the rear cane be set to automatically come on in reverse, the second input (which I will use for a front parking camera) can be manually triggered with a switch. You do not need to have the dealer do anything for this to work.

    Here is a good thread to start with and it also provides links to a blog by Jon Wells aboyut his install, this thread and the bog will answer most questions about the installation of the NAV-TV kit: Cayman RoofCam - Rear Vision Solved

    My parts are on the way, the NAV-TV module is about 2 weeks out, and I already have the Coolint CT-107B cameras in hand.
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    Re: 2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    Quote Originally Posted by Westcoaster View Post
    My parts are on the way, the NAV-TV module is about 2 weeks out, and I already have the Coolint CT-107B cameras in hand.
    Thanks a lot for your help brother. Will wait until you finish, and comment on how everything went, before even suggesting to my brother doing this, since I'd be the one to do it. I'd say the Boxster looks a lot easier (less crap to remove) than my Cayman, but will wait for your input, and results. His car also has X73, so the front camera is a great idea (heck, I'd like one too, but sensors are enough. Too much trouble). Curious of the location you'll choose, and how it'll look. I'd imagine bumper has to come off for sure, so will discuss with him before buying the Zunsport grilles, as those scratch the plastic around, and he has the GTS exterior package. If the bumper has to come off anyway, might as well buy the Rennsport grilles, and install them from the inside. Thanks again for your help.
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    2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    I had the NAV-TV installed in my 2013 991 S and it works great. The lines don't turn with the steering wheel, but for $1,300 installed it was the best option I found. I didn't pick the camera and would have spent more for the one they (NAV-TV) offer rather than the Pioneer that was installed.

    Works basically as stock though.


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    Re: 2016 981 Cayman backup camera question

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnrobbfl View Post
    I had the NAV-TV installed in my 2013 991 S and it works great. The lines don't turn with the steering wheel, but for $1,300 installed it was the best option I found. I didn't pick the camera and would have spent more for the one they (NAV-TV) offer rather than the Pioneer that was installed.

    Works basically as stock though.


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