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    Bose vs Burmester vs Aftermarket

    Worth the extra cash? Any empirical conclusions on this?


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    Re: Bose vs Burmester vs Aftermarket

    I can only speak for the Burmester in the 991, and it is, by a long shot, the best sounding stereo I have ever heard in a car. The bass is crisp and not boomy, and the mids and highs have a clarity you don't normally hear in a car stereo. That said, it's a lot of money, and if you aren't an audiophile (I used to work on Logic Pro), then you might not appreciate the difference. I would equate it to a $40 bottle of wine vs a $200 bottle of wine. The novice is going to taste a difference, but not necessarily have it be worth 5x more to them.

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    Re: Bose vs Burmester vs Aftermarket

    Your review is much appreciated. Considering your affinity for higher quality components, is it safe to assume that what you play through the system is either CD, or high-bitrate or lossless digital audio? Do you notice a tangible difference between them? High quality home systems usually highlight poor recordings or audio imperfections and I'm curious if that is the case here, and if it is readily noticeable to someone who is really into his music.

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    Re: Bose vs Burmester vs Aftermarket

    I ordered the Bose, unheard, and am hoping it's worth the money. I haven't seen too many comments about any of the sound systems offered, so I'd love to get some opinions from those who have been able to compare the different options.
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    Re: Bose vs Burmester vs Aftermarket

    I use a mix of iPod (via USB) and CD's. There is noticeable background noise from the iPod when playing it very loud, but overall it sounds pretty darn good. CD's sound great too. With the engine on, it covers up a lot of the quiet imperfections with the iPod D to A conversion. It was worth it for me just for the amazing low end. I finally can hear the basses in an orchestra in a car that don't just sound like a boomy electric bass.

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    Re: Bose vs Burmester vs Aftermarket

    Listened to a Burmester system in a 991 at the LA Auto Show a few months ago. Only one word to describe it: unbelievable. No comparison between it and the Bose. Then again, you're paying for it...
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    Re: Bose vs Burmester vs Aftermarket

    I wouldn't spend that kind of money on a car radio, you'll never do critical listening in car environment, much less a sports car that happens to be noisier than a heavily insulated sedan. I'm heavy into hi-fi (Krell, Acoustat, Proceed, etc) and its money that can be better spent on other options in car. In the mid-fi and high-fi world Bose and Monster are perceived as mediocre pretenders. I suggest you see Audioholics.com

    iPods suffer from sibilant syndrome as most mp 3 players do. When you hear a hi hat open and close you get a flanged tizzy sound instead of an airy acoustic sound, it's due to compression algorithm, and all my music is ripped in WAV lossless format, It's your money and I don't want to sound like a hi-fi snob.
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    Re: Bose vs Burmester vs Aftermarket

    Burmester in a Lexus? Yes!
    Burmester in a Porsche? Why, why, why?

    Yes Burmester sounded excellent when I demo it in the show room, I am not sure how all those hi-fidelity fair when driving with top down though.

    Bose on 981 Boxster S, a $600 option, actually is reasonable in price and sounds very good; it has enough power to overcome the wind and road noise. The bass is very strong but the treble is average; overall it is a good system for the price.
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    Re: Bose vs Burmester vs Aftermarket

    I was shocked to see Burmester as an option, they really are a boutique player. Unheard, I would pay for the Burmester no questions asked. I'd probably pay twice the MSRP. No highs, no lows, must be Bose

    My main system at home: BAT VK300se tube preamp/amplifier, Cary 303/300 tube upsampling CD player, Pioneer 9500icon Mk II tuner, YBA iPod dock (never use it), Oracle Delphi Mk IV turntable with Oracle/SME arm and Grado Statement pickup, Primare R20 phono preamplifier, Gallo Ref 3.1 speakers, and a bunch of wires that cost about the same as Panama's GDP

    Bedroom system is really dialed in and simple: Linn Classik tuner/cdp/preamp/amp and a pair of Spica TC-50's. Incredible for vocals and mellow music.. yeah, you know what I'm talking about

    Oh yeah, I have a home theatre too, can't for the life of me remember what the stuff is
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    Re: Bose vs Burmester vs Aftermarket

    The stereo system is in my garage. The race exhaust is on the car. The Bose just means I need a different set of floor mats.

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    Re: Bose vs Burmester vs Aftermarket

    God I love the Golden Ear Audiophiles! I worked in the pro audio and acoustics business for a couple of decades and took part in many double blind listening tests for speakers, wire and other components.

    It's amazing how perceptions change when you have no idea what you are listening to and comparing and the SPL's are precisely matched. One test compaired a highly reviewed $25,000 speaker to a $500 speaker and everyone on the panel chose the $500 speaker!

    Wires are the best though. I never met anyone that could hear a difference between wires unless they had so much inductance that they cause high frequency roll off in the speakers. So if your $20k speakers have a nasty high end, just add $1k a foot wire to fix it or maybe a $.69 cent ceramic capacitor across the amp output?

    Another thing that I scratch my head about is that most golden ears are middle age or older guys that have hearing loss! Do they ever get a good hearing test? Hell no! LOL

    Not that there isn't a difference in equipment, particularly in a home environment but todays moderately priced equipment can be very very good indeed.

    BTW I don't care for Bose car systems either. But in a sports car I just don't care too much about the sound system.
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    Re: Bose vs Burmester vs Aftermarket

    If all you do is listen to the stereo while you are parked, the system you choose may make a significant difference. If you are talking about listening while driving 70 mph, the noise inside the car makes the quality of the stereo a moot point. Some people live for that sound, and hence many on this forum simply scoff at any attempt to improve the stereo. In my own car, I found that most of the noise at 70 mph was not the engine but road noise. I invested $1500 in soundproofing and changed to ultra-high performance all-season tires, which are both a lot less noisy and can be used year-round.

    As a result of my changes, the road noise is greatly reduced, making the engine and the aftermarket stereo the primary sounds in the car. It will never be a Cadillac, but at least I can hear the stereo enough to enjoy it while driving and don't have to shout at my wife to carry on a conversation. The sound of the aftermarket stereo while parked is excellent and way cheaper than any factory system, but my enjoyment of it while driving is hampered by my lack of a multifunction steering wheel. Taking one's eyes off the road to push buttons on a touch screen at 70 mph is stupid and dangerous, but there is no alternative since Porsche refuses to make a multifunction wheel standard and you can't retrofit it. The cheapest KIA has a multifunction wheel, but the "driver's car" lacks it. Porsche-the-car is nice but Porsche-the-company sucks.

    Based on the foregoing, I'd say ordering the Burmeister is a waste of money unless you spend your time listening to it in a parking lot. In 20-20 hindsight, I would have preferred the factory Bose system or sound system plus over my aftermarket system so I could have also ordered the multifunction steering wheel.
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    Re: Bose vs Burmester vs Aftermarket

    Quote Originally Posted by diverdog View Post
    god i love the golden ear audiophiles! I worked in the pro audio and acoustics business for a couple of decades and took part in many double blind listening tests for speakers, wire and other components.

    It's amazing how perceptions change when you have no idea what you are listening to, comparing and the slps are precisely matched. One test compaired a highly reviewed $25,000 speaker to a $500 speaker and everyone on the panel chose the $500 speaker!

    Wires are the best though. I never met anyone that could hear a difference between wires unless they had so much inductance that they cause high frequency roll off in the speakers. So if your $20k speakers have a nasty high end, just add $1k a foot wire to fix it or maybe a $.69 cent ceramic capacitor across the amp output?

    Another thing that i scratch my head about is that most golden ears are middle age or older guys that have hearing loss! Do they ever get a good hearing test? Hell no! Lol

    not that there isn't a diference in equipment particularly in a home environment but today moderately priced equipment can be very very good indeed.

    Btw i don't care for bose car systems either. But in a sports car i just don't care too much about the sound system.

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