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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoboken View Post
    This is my dilemma. Coming up with the cash is no issue. There's just lots of other things that cash could be directed towards (retiring, mortgage, etc.) On the other hand, waiting forever, means never, and that's no fun.
    Ah...now we're getting down to the root of the dilemma. At one end of the spectrum are people like me who have always made having a sweet sports car the #1 financial priority. Even while in college (me working nights) supporting a wife doing her undergrad degree (she not working at all), I managed to have a '71 MGB as the daily driver. Heck, I even used wedding gift money to rebuild the OD gearbox in the car, and slap on a fresh set of tires to do a honeymoon road trip. (BTW, both the B and that wife are long gone.) Sure there were (and are) other things that my income supported over the years - houses, travel, investments/savings, etc. - but I always figured out a way to have a car that stirred my soul.

    At the other end of the spectrum are people that see vehicles as necessary evils; mechanisms for moving people and things from point A to Point B. (I don't pretend to understand that mindset, lol.) Somewhere in the middle are people who are wired (or trained) to seek a more balanced lifestyle, and spend a life juggling a set of competing priorities in an effort to be "exceptionally normal"...that is, to do what everyone expects them to do, and be very good at being what others in the middle of the curve would describe as normal. At some point, though, life tugs a lot of us in a different direction, and whispers louder and louder in our ear "go for it, do it, you know you wanna...don't be afraid." It could be a car, travel, skydiving, getting your pilot's license, finally starting a business. The question is: has living in the middle of the bell become an integral part of who we are, and the idea of moving to the edge of the spectrum takes us so far out of the comfort zone that it messes with our well-ordered sense of self? "I'm a responsible husband, father, worker, and spending big chunks of cash on something as frivolous as a Porsche is, well, selfish. What will people think?"

    My current wife is an accountant, and up until the time I met her 9 years ago was "exceptionally normal." Married 23 years, 2 super kids, C-Suite level job, the whole "comfort zone" enchilada. Then her husband ditched her for a younger model, and after the requisite year of mourning and soul searching, hopped on a plane to Africa to get her open water scuba certification at Sodwana Bay, South Africa. We met shortly after she got back and began a whirlwind courtship that included a lot of travel and diving. She hated the corp world she was in, and I encouraged her to take on the CFO role at a tech startup I was involved with at the time. Next, we took a year off and moved to Mexico where she fulfilled the dream of becoming a dive instructor, eventually teaching in Cozumel and on a dive catamaran in the Windward Islands. How does this relate to Porsches? Well, during her marriage, the ex always had the sports car...she drove the minvan. She always wanted to travel, to get out and explore the world, to have the hot car (not necessarily a Porsche), but never put her wants ahead of others. That ended in 2012 when we sold her SUV and put a Cayman S in her parking space. At the time she felt more than a little guilty having this hot little two-seater...especially since my car at the time was also a two-seater. Now, there is no way she could ever see herself in anything other than a Porsche, and has said more than once to me: "I had no idea what I was missing. For anyone who likes cars and driving, the Cayman takes the experience to a whole other level."

    She has also recently confided that over the years we have been together she has learned that busting out of "the normalcy program" and doing things that to others might appear selfish or impetuous has been an exceptionally positive, liberating experience. The world didn't come crashing down because she ditched the mainstream CFO world, took a year off to just dive, or decided that she actually wanted a Porsche and doesn't give a damn what other people think. (In her current role as CFO of a large charity, one can imagine that driving a Porsche to work has raised an eyebrow or two. She has dealt with it head on, pointing out to one vocal board member that her $80,000 car is a personal lifestyle choice...just like his $3-million house.)

    Anyone who comes onto a Porsche forum wondering out loud whether they should take the plunge and just get one, has probably been thinking about it - and denying themselves - for some time. You appear to have the disposable cash to do it, and I guarantee the world won't come crashing down by indulging yourself with an exceptional vehicle. Why wait for some external event (divorce, illness) to finally push you out of the safe and comfortable zone? Just freakin' do it. The only downside is that for many there's no going back.
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    Re: Hi -- newbie reluctant to make purchase

    Just buy it... While you wait and ponder and wait some more life is passing you by. While being prudent about your future is wise, Tomorrow night not come. What's the worse case scenario? That you'll have to sell it and take a loss? Guaranteed if this happens you will have totally and completely loved every moment you had with it. Can you live with the worst case scenario? If so, go for it! I'm 42 and unwilling to let life pass me by, so I made the expensive plunge 3 months ago with a 2013 981 and I'm enjoying every moment of Porsche!

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    I am sincerely, truly and absolutely enjoying these posts.

    For a bunch of reasons, I think spring of 2017 is going to be my time. I'm going to spend the interim looking at listings and trying to finalize my budget.

    Thank you all.

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    Re: Hi -- newbie reluctant to make purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by gcurnew View Post
    Ah...now we're getting down to the root of the dilemma. At one end of the spectrum are people like me who have always made having a sweet sports car the #1 financial priority. Even while in college (me working nights) supporting a wife doing her undergrad degree (she not working at all), I managed to have a '71 MGB as the daily driver. Heck, I even used wedding gift money to rebuild the OD gearbox in the car, and slap on a fresh set of tires to do a honeymoon road trip. (BTW, both the B and that wife are long gone.) Sure there were (and are) other things that my income supported over the years - houses, travel, investments/savings, etc. - but I always figured out a way to have a car that stirred my soul.

    At the other end of the spectrum are people that see vehicles as necessary evils; mechanisms for moving people and things from point A to Point B. (I don't pretend to understand that mindset, lol.) Somewhere in the middle are people who are wired (or trained) to seek a more balanced lifestyle, and spend a life juggling a set of competing priorities in an effort to be "exceptionally normal"...that is, to do what everyone expects them to do, and be very good at being what others in the middle of the curve would describe as normal. At some point, though, life tugs a lot of us in a different direction, and whispers louder and louder in our ear "go for it, do it, you know you wanna...don't be afraid." It could be a car, travel, skydiving, getting your pilot's license, finally starting a business. The question is: has living in the middle of the bell become an integral part of who we are, and the idea of moving to the edge of the spectrum takes us so far out of the comfort zone that it messes with our well-ordered sense of self? "I'm a responsible husband, father, worker, and spending big chunks of cash on something as frivolous as a Porsche is, well, selfish. What will people think?"

    My current wife is an accountant, and up until the time I met her 9 years ago was "exceptionally normal." Married 23 years, 2 super kids, C-Suite level job, the whole "comfort zone" enchilada. Then her husband ditched her for a younger model, and after the requisite year of mourning and soul searching, hopped on a plane to Africa to get her open water scuba certification at Sodwana Bay, South Africa. We met shortly after she got back and began a whirlwind courtship that included a lot of travel and diving. She hated the corp world she was in, and I encouraged her to take on the CFO role at a tech startup I was involved with at the time. Next, we took a year off and moved to Mexico where she fulfilled the dream of becoming a dive instructor, eventually ireaching in Cozumel and on a dive catamaran in the Windward Islands. How does this relate to Porsches? Well, during her marriage, the ex always had the sports car...she drove the minvan. She always wanted to travel, to get out and explore the world, to have the hot car (not necessarily a Porsche), but never put her wants ahead of others. That ended in 2012 when we sold her SUV and put a Cayman S in her parking space. At the time she felt more than a little guilty having this hot little two-seater...especially since my car at the time was also a two-seater. Now, there is no way she could ever see herself in anything other than a Porsche, and has said more than once to me: "I had no idea what I was missing. For anyone who likes cars and driving, the Cayman takes the experience to a whole other level."

    She has also recently confided that over the years we have been together she has learned that busting out of "the normalcy program" and doing things that to others might appear selfish or impetuous has been an exceptionally positive, liberating experience. The world didn't come crashing down because she ditched the mainstream CFO world, took a year off to just dive, or decided that she actually wanted a Porsche and doesn't give a damn what other people think. (In her current role as CFO of a large charity, one can imagine that driving a Porsche to work has raised an eyebrow or two. She has dealt with it head on, pointing out to one vocal board member that her $80,000 car is a personal lifestyle choice...just like his $3-million house.)

    Anyone who comes onto a Porsche forum wondering out loud whether they should take the plunge and just get one, has probably been thinking about it - and denying themselves - for some time. You appear to have the disposable cash to do it, and I guarantee the world won't come crashing down by indulging yourself with an exceptional vehicle. Why wait for some external event (divorce, illness) to finally push you out of the safe and comfortable zone? Just freakin' do it. The only downside is that for many there's no going back.
    Dude, I like how you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anand View Post
    Strangely, complete strangers seem to appreciate my car more than people I know.
    It is a lead pipe cinch that a stranger is going to make compliment about my Porsche when I am at a gas station. And to be completely honest, I do not think it is ever going to get old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolHobieCat View Post
    It is a lead pipe cinch that a stranger is going to make compliment about my Porsche when I am at a gas station. And to be completely honest, I do not think it is ever going to get old.
    The 981 is a very elegant design. Porsche hit this one out of the park. I don't get the perspective of an observer except when I am in the garage ogling it. Yesterday, I saw a white 981 Boxster, black top and wheels. What a gorgeous car! Same thing when I see a Cayman.
    I tell myself that is what I am driving. Never mind the wonderful driving experience. I know the 911 is THE Porsche and all, but more and more, I find it a tired design and the beetle like shape is wearing thin.
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    I love the look of the 911 as well as that of the Cayman, especially from the back. Today I arrived home and got a text from my daughter, who was apparently down the street waiting for a bus. She saw the car turning a corner, and snapped a pic. I thought, what a gorgeous car!

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    Re: Hi -- newbie reluctant to make purchase

    Being a Dad is a commitment so getting a Porsche is no different. Even easier you can sell it if you don't like it. Consider a 2013 a lot are coming off leases and can be had for $50K base even less. For me, I wanted to track the car no point in my opinion in having a Porsche in LA unless you want it as a status symbol. How old is your son? If at least 8 you can introduce him into motorsports. Great father and son activity especially as he gets older and you can prep the car together.

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    Hey same color S except tan interior. Mods go so far I have purchased Michelin Sports Cup 2 tires, Oz wheels, Billstein PS16 shocks, adjustable sway bars front and back, had car corner balanced as well, giro disk brakes, Pagid yellows. Armytrix sports exhaust on order. Adding it all up is over $12K. Unless a car is for transportation any other decision is an emotional one that can be self justified if you think hard enough even amillion plus Koenisegg One:1 hyper car. If you got the money and enjoy cars wtf your gonna get sick and die sometime. Who care what others think of your excesses. James Dean and Paul Newman never did they just lived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGQuigley View Post
    How old is your son? If at least 8 you can introduce him into motorsports. Great father and son activity especially as he gets older and you can prep the car together.
    He's almost 4. He really enjoys cars and can distinguish several types with pretty good accuracy--mini coopers, GTIs, jeeps, Porsches.

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    Cool if he likes cars you should take him to a track day and talk to guys who have 981's. I consider it a subculture. Soon he will be 8 then 18 in a blur. Enjoy your moments with him. Father's day is coming up.

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    Re: Hi -- newbie reluctant to make purchase

    Fellow prospective buyer on the fence. I've been telling myself for the past 2 years that it was time to buy a primary residence, but since I live and work in Silicon Valley i'm looking at $750K condos with $600+ HOA's. Decided to wait it out, maybe move somewhere else, but in the meantime buy a used 981 Cayman.

    ...I was on the fence. Now i'm supposed to pick up this weekend

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGQuigley View Post
    Cool if he likes cars you should take him to a track day and talk to guys who have 981's. I consider it a subculture.
    Is it ok to show up at a Porsche event without a Porsche?

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    Re: Hi -- newbie reluctant to make purchase

    We joined this forum, joined PCA, and spectated a DE before ever owning one. Not sure how we got away with it..

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    Re: Hi -- newbie reluctant to make purchase

    You can get 2014 low miles Cayman S with PDK for $48K
    https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...7772/overview/

    That's really not much more than what Minivans costs nowadays.

    Only you will know if you can afford it. If you can't it would be irresponsible to buy. But eff the coworkers opinion. Unless they paying for the car - they have no business in this. Same goes for the relatives, except your immediate family.

    Personally, I spend about 10 years wanting Porsche and thinking about buying it. When I finally realized the whole life might go buy, and all I'll remember is working a lot and not having fun - I pulled the plug and never been happier. That was at 39, 4 years ago.

    Oh, and my kids started to ride in my Boxster S since the age of 2... They both love the car and huge Porsche fans by now. The fact that you can only take one kid at a time - makes it even more special. So if your son can talk and reason - he's big enough
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    Re: Hi -- newbie reluctant to make purchase

    Just buy it, you only live once. The smiles on your face will be worth it. Doesn't sound like money is an issue. If you had to stop eating out, stop going on vacation, and eat ramen 7 days a week then I would tell you otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by gcurnew View Post
    I use my 911 as a daily driver. My wife uses her Cayman as a daily driver. If you're trying to "justify" a weekend toy to yourself or your wife, it's a different proposition than having a nice car you use every day.

    Since high school (45 years ago), I've had sports cars. A 1971 240z in 1973 I paid for myself working part-time in a grocery store...MGB, Triumph, GTI, MR2, Scirocco (not much of a sports car lol, but heck it was 1981), M3, S2000, 996TT...the list goes on and on. Throughout my life, I made the sacrifices required to have a sports car. They weren't just financial sacrifices; having a two-seater or a tiny back seat in a 2+2 meant you couldn't take friends or family with you anywhere. More fastidious maintenance is required to keep the car in top condition. Having a safe place to park is critical.
    Same here, I've always had a passion for cars. In high school, I had an Eagle Talon. And start of my freshman year in college I had a brand new M3. So how does an 18 year old afford an brand new M3. My father had saved up $45K for my college funds. I got a 4 year merit scholarship that paid all my tuition and room and board. My father handed me all $45K. My father's friend had nothing but bad things to say. Told my father that was the stupiest decision anyone could make. I took that money to the nearly BMW dealership and order myself a brand new M3. When I got it, my dad's friend said, I was going to kill myself with that car. Not only did I not kill myself. It made me more ambitious than any 18 yr old in college. I was determined to be successful. Get rich or die trying. $45K can get me an M3, $80K can get me a Ferrari. Nice cars were my motivation for success. I was buying residential properties in my 20's while most people my age were passed out on the street somewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoboken View Post
    Is it ok to show up at a Porsche event without a Porsche?
    Yes, the local Porsche club do it all the time, like bringing their McLarens, Ferraris, and Lambos. lol But some do bring their mini's and subaru's (when it's raining outside)
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    Gosh some of you guys are so young. I bought my current and first Porsche, a new 2013 BS, when I was 52. I need to get a 911 I think to up the snob factor.
    Seriously, buying used, after reading all the problems with door panels warping with the standard interior, try to find a car with full leather.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Design View Post
    You can get 2014 low miles Cayman S with PDK for $48K
    https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...7772/overview/
    I saw that car before and thought the price was in the right ballpark Unfortunately, the Car Fax shows an accident. Not sure what kind of discount is appropriate.

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    Re: Hi -- newbie reluctant to make purchase

    Whereabouts do you plan on driving? Do you live in Hoboken? As an ex-resident, İ think it's not a great area for a porsche, but not impossible. If you drive day in day out from hoboken into Manhattan or other boroughs, I'd say no on the porsche. If you have plenty of time on evenings, weekends, like to explore bear mtn, Pennsylvania, etc I'd say maybe. If you have a place in the country, definitely.

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