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    Just traded in my 991.1 C4S on a 2014 981 CS, with ~10k miles... I originally bought the 991 (April 2015) in order to consolidate to 1 car (from 991.1 C2S and CLS550), as I needed AWD in Chicago to drive year-round... Ultimately, I ended up with an SUV anyways, so the AWD was no longer required... I decided, if I was going have a more dedicated sports car, I'd like to have something I planned to keep for the long run, slowly modifying as needed and potentially turning into a dedicated track car... I looked hard about going the 987.1/.2 route, spending less upfront and going much more track oriented, but as I plan to still use the car in the spring/summer occasionally during the week, that option was less appealing for me... I just took delivery of my car with the following specs:
    - White
    - PDK
    - 20-inch Carrera S wheels
    - Bi-Xenon™ Headlights incl. PDLS
    - Sport Chrono Package
    - SportDesign steering wheel
    - Partial leather Sport seats in Black
    - Sport Chrono clock dial in White
    - carbon interioricon package
    - Power Sport Seats (14-way)
    - Premium Package i.c.w. Power Sport Seats
    - Infotainment Package with BOSE®
    - Instrument Dials Colored White

    I plan on making a number of modifications in the next few weeks (have stuff on order already for when I'm back from Holiday), and then will continue to make more changes as I go... As I still plan on using it as a semi-DD, I do have some pure comfort/cosmetic changes I plan to make.. I'm hoping to get to 4/5/6 DE events this season, depending on my schedule (I have 3 kids under 4), and will make a number of changes after gaining some experience with it next fall/winter...

    Cosmetic
    - Clear side markers (already installed from my 991)
    - Xpel/Coating. Car has Xpel already on whole front, including A-pillars and front of roof. I really don’t like the line from the partial roof, so I’m either taking it off both A-pillar and roof or doing all of it… I’ll bring it to my detailer in Jan/Feb to go through it, and will likely add Modesta or something similar on top…
    - 20% window tint.. I know some like some don’t, but I do and I think it looks good on a white car…
    - Front fog lights – The surround on the front fog lights are chrome, and I plan on either buying black ones or making mine black...
    - Rear emblems – I’ll likely swap out the chrome ones for black (PORSCHE Cayman S) when I get the paint correction / coating done...
    - GT4 rear diffuser – I think it just looks cool, and is cheap/easy… May do a front splitter in the future to balance if necessary, but with the heat shields installed, I don't know how functional the diffuser really is...
    - Street Wheels - I’m likely going to get the 20” Carrera S wheels refinished in Black.. I thought about doing aftermarket (HRE FF15 or something similar), but don’t want 2 extra sets of wheels, as I’m planning to get a track set…
    - Track Wheels – Still doing my homework here, and certainly open to any suggestions! Likely either 18” or 19”, leaning towards 18” for tire choices and reduced weight/cost… I’ve seen many that run 8.5/10, but want to better understand width capability and all the offsets required, and what size tire combo is best… Easiest/cheapest to buy off the shelf, but not completely ruling out the BBS e88 (or other) route…

    Suspension
    - I have the base suspension (non PASM, non Sports)… I looked for a car with X73, but not many available (3 when I was looking), and the price difference more than covered the purchase/install of X73… I’m just starting to do my homework around X73 vs PSS10/KW/JRZ/etc aftermarket coilovers… The car will be a street and track car, not necessarily DD, but more street miles than track…
    - I will definitely get the GT3 LCAs in order to get the camber to -2.0 or -2.5…
    - Still learning, and very much open to suggestions on Sways/Toe links/Tie rods/etc, etc… Also want to learn more about solid alignments for dual duty use…

    Brakes
    - Definitely Pads and fluid… Likely Castrol SRF and either Pagid or Feredo…
    - Probably going to do Titanium shims, SS lines, and I’ve heard of rather simple ducting mods as well (vented fender liners, GT3/Turbo ducting)…
    - Stock rotors are fine for now, when it comes time to replace I’ll consider actual track time and performance to make a call…

    Engine/Trans/Exhaust
    - Center radiator for sure, CSF or similar if required (My 991 used to run 270+ at the track w/o 3rd radiator)…
    - PDK cooler? Is it required if I can keep engine temps down?
    - Not planning on doing headers now, but if I did in the future, would look into coatings to keep temps down…
    - Will definitely do an exhaust, but just started looking into the options/differences… Don’t plan on spending Akrapovic type money, but AWE/Fabspeedicon/Etc… Open to thoughts…

    Interior/Safety - I fully recognize the benefit/risk reduction/etc of bars/seats/belts, but for now I want to run season 1 without to see how much track time I’m actually able to accumulate before cutting the interior and sacrificing seating comfort....
    - escorticon Passport Max 360 w/blendmount…
    - I’ve got an Aim Solo DL, and am still reading about the brake pressure ‘issue’ with OBDII, and will then decide whether or not to wire direct CAN… I’d like a slick adaptor for easy in/out..
    - I’ve got a GoPRO 3, but may upgrade to a 4 or 5, and still need to investigate the best mount for the factory handle between the seats prior to rollbar…


    Outstanding Questions:
    - Preference for coating for use on top of Xpel? (Modesta/Opti-coat/etc)
    - Do they sell black fog light housings to get rid of the chrome, or do I need to powdercoat/paint/etc? I'd rather buy the part and install...
    - Any direct usage/comparison of X73 vs PSS10/KW/JRZ/etc? X73 is the cheapest, but with labor it wouldn't be much more for the others...
    - Do we need to run a PDK cooler on the 981 for summer (85+ temp) track days?
    - What mount do people use for a GoPro on the bar across the back directly behind the seats?

    Thanks

    Mark
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    Re: New to me 981 CS and Potential Build Options

    I can't answer a single one of your questions, but nice pick up! Very similar options to mine. I am also looking at doing some sort of paint protection like Xpel but can't decide what to do and how much of my car to cover.
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    Re: New to me 981 CS and Potential Build Options

    Hayden, My car came with Xpel on the front bumper, hood, fenders, mirrors, A-pillars and front 6" or so of the roof... I was planning on doing it to the bumper, hood, fenders, mirrors and maybe rockers either way, but since the car came with it, makes my life easier... I really do not like the A-pillar and roof Xpel, as there is a clearly visible line where it stops, as it's in the middle of the roof panel... There also isn't a clear seem for the A-pillars to cover the windshield surround only, so it would require practically the entire side of the car... The roof is a bit easier, but also less necessary... I'm going to get it pulled of the A-pillars and roof when I bring it in for tint, coating and emblems...

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    Re: New to me 981 CS and Potential Build Options

    For coating I would suggest going with the Gtechniq Exo v2 coating. Did a quick review and absolutely love the hydrophobic coating it provides and a for a long duration as well. On the Xpel on the A-pillars I would also suggest to keep it as that has protected my paint numerous times fro rock chips. The chrome surround on the fog lights, I have not found black replacements so I will be painting them soon. Otherwise great car, I know you will love it...


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    Re: New to me 981 CS and Potential Build Options

    I only have experience (and/or interest) in a few areas, so I'll comment on those

    With regards to exhaust, you have to assume that any aftermarket exhaust will introduce considerable drone. It's a fact of life with these cars sadly. PSE is the only solution that gets louder without being too drone-y but I would not say drone (slight) is entirely absent, just very well controlled.

    As such I would always recommend people who want a bit more sound and a bit more performance to get headers instead. Bigger performance gain with a bit of extra loudness for free and minus the aftermarket exhaust drone.

    Brakes: with upgraded fluid and pads the fronts are fine but the rears could do with a bit extra cooling. Not straight forward apparently. Ti shims probably reduce the stress on the rear calipers a little.

    I have not read much about aux PDK coolers and I would be disappointed with Porsche if the car needed one. I think they do fine without it.

    GoPro: whatever you do, don't use the adhesive tape on the bar behind the rear seats, you risk pulling the paint off. Any kind of clamp with a soft material for protection in between. Personally I use a tiny Hero 4 GoPro mounted to the side of my crash helmet. Gives a better perspective of the driving experience IMHO. You just need to make sure its pointed a bit straighter than what I managed lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6peDZRyf3ok
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    Re: New to me 981 CS and Potential Build Options

    You do realize you went to a slower car?
    I have a 991.2 C4S and drive year round in the Chicago/Milwaukee area and tracked the car 7 times last summer with no modifications. I track my 981B strictly stock with no problems.
    But you have the 981 CS and I would track it stock until you have a problem which I doubt you will anyway.
    Otherwise you have solutions looking for problems.
    I don't know your level of driving as classified by the Chicago PCA Club but for most a stock 981 is perfectly fine.
    Get an XPEL Track wrap package from Autobahn and be done with it. Coating on top of plastic doesn;t make sense to me.-Richard
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    Re: New to me 981 CS and Potential Build Options

    Bud - Fully realize that, and was actually part of the plan... The C4S was much faster than I am.... I've only run with PCA once or twice, and was novice w/instructor for the first half of day one and signed off to drive solo... I've done days with other groups and I've done the PSDS course and a Mercedes course. Grew up with shifter karts and auto crossing, so I'd still call myself a novice, but with some knowledge and experience...

    Most of the things I'm looking at (ignoring the cosmetic stuff) are solving specific problems I had on the C4S - 3rd radiator for high temps (C4S ran 270+ at Blackhawk), brake pads/fluids/ducting (C4S brakes were soft by end of sessions), GT3 LCAs for camber (increased tire longevity for softer tires)... I'm on the fence on the coil-overs, may gain the experience first, but they're all about the same installed cost as the X73 package, which everyone raves about, so I figured if I were to do that work, I may as well see if better solutions exist and only do it once...

    Do you run with the Chicago PCA often? I'm hoping to get to most of their DE's this year, at least the weekday ones - weekends are tough with the kids.. Also looking to find other groups that run the local tracks by me - Autobahn, Blackhawk and Road America...
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    Re: New to me 981 CS and Potential Build Options

    mgent,
    just two considerations. First, I would get used to the car, then modify it following the not-so-exciting but very smart guidelines - tires/wheels first, learn them. Brakes second. Learn them. Suspension third. Learn it. Lose weight next. Learn it. Then see where does that take you. Going gaga on mods without even a single session on track with that car is a bit ... er ... premature. I only had 2 DEs in my Cayman and I am not even sure yet what wheels/tires to buy next, let alone any mods. I did 15 DEs in my previous car, this is just so different that I want to feel it first, then go with mods.

    GoPro ... mount, in my opinion, is not important. For better or worse, GoPro is very portable but with horrible quality. I use suction cup on the windshield on the passenger side. Didn't try new ones, though. What you CAN do to improve your video is sound. Get an external microphone close to the exhaust and see/hear for yourself. Good luck with mods regardless!
    Last edited by CinciOH; 12-27-2016 at 11:51 AM.


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    Re: New to me 981 CS and Potential Build Options

    "Do you run with the Chicago PCA often?"

    I run both Memorial and Labor Day at Road America with Chicago PCA. These are 3 days each for DE and you can watch an additional day of Club Racing over the Labor Day weekend. Last summer, two days at Blackhawk also.
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    Re: New to me 981 CS and Potential Build Options

    I just did 35% tint on my white B and it looks great, inside and out. I thought 20% might make the black interior too dark.

    I got the stock LCAs to give me -1.2 camber, an improvement over OE -0.5. One DE (rain both days) on MPSS show no outside edge wear at all.

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    Re: New to me 981 CS and Potential Build Options

    Quote Originally Posted by mgent View Post
    Just traded in my 991.1 C4S on a 2014 981 CS, with ~10k miles... I originally bought the 991 (April 2015) in order to consolidate to 1 car (from 991.1 C2S and CLS550), as I needed AWD in Chicago to drive year-round... Ultimately, I ended up with an SUV anyways, so the AWD was no longer required... I decided, if I was going have a more dedicated sports car, I'd like to have something I planned to keep for the long run, slowly modifying as needed and potentially turning into a dedicated track car... I looked hard about going the 987.1/.2 route, spending less upfront and going much more track oriented, but as I plan to still use the car in the spring/summer occasionally during the week, that option was less appealing for me... I just took delivery of my car with the following specs:
    - White
    - PDK
    - 20-inch Carrera S wheels
    - Bi-Xenon™ Headlights incl. PDLS
    - Sport Chrono Package
    - SportDesign steering wheel
    - Partial leather Sport seats in Black
    - Sport Chrono clock dial in White
    - carbon interioricon package
    - Power Sport Seats (14-way)
    - Premium Package i.c.w. Power Sport Seats
    - Infotainment Package with BOSE®
    - Instrument Dials Colored White

    I plan on making a number of modifications in the next few weeks (have stuff on order already for when I'm back from Holiday), and then will continue to make more changes as I go... As I still plan on using it as a semi-DD, I do have some pure comfort/cosmetic changes I plan to make.. I'm hoping to get to 4/5/6 DE events this season, depending on my schedule (I have 3 kids under 4), and will make a number of changes after gaining some experience with it next fall/winter...

    Cosmetic
    - Clear side markers (already installed from my 991)
    - Xpel/Coating. Car has Xpel already on whole front, including A-pillars and front of roof. I really don’t like the line from the partial roof, so I’m either taking it off both A-pillar and roof or doing all of it… I’ll bring it to my detailer in Jan/Feb to go through it, and will likely add Modesta or something similar on top…
    - 20% window tint.. I know some like some don’t, but I do and I think it looks good on a white car…
    - Front fog lights – The surround on the front fog lights are chrome, and I plan on either buying black ones or making mine black...
    - Rear emblems – I’ll likely swap out the chrome ones for black (PORSCHE Cayman S) when I get the paint correction / coating done...
    - GT4 rear diffuser – I think it just looks cool, and is cheap/easy… May do a front splitter in the future to balance if necessary, but with the heat shields installed, I don't know how functional the diffuser really is...
    - Street Wheels - I’m likely going to get the 20” Carrera S wheels refinished in Black.. I thought about doing aftermarket (HRE FF15 or something similar), but don’t want 2 extra sets of wheels, as I’m planning to get a track set…
    - Track Wheels – Still doing my homework here, and certainly open to any suggestions! Likely either 18” or 19”, leaning towards 18” for tire choices and reduced weight/cost… I’ve seen many that run 8.5/10, but want to better understand width capability and all the offsets required, and what size tire combo is best… Easiest/cheapest to buy off the shelf, but not completely ruling out the BBS e88 (or other) route…

    Suspension
    - I have the base suspension (non PASM, non Sports)… I looked for a car with X73, but not many available (3 when I was looking), and the price difference more than covered the purchase/install of X73… I’m just starting to do my homework around X73 vs PSS10/KW/JRZ/etc aftermarket coilovers… The car will be a street and track car, not necessarily DD, but more street miles than track…
    - I will definitely get the GT3 LCAs in order to get the camber to -2.0 or -2.5…
    - Still learning, and very much open to suggestions on Sways/Toe links/Tie rods/etc, etc… Also want to learn more about solid alignments for dual duty use…

    Brakes
    - Definitely Pads and fluid… Likely Castrol SRF and either Pagid or Feredo…
    - Probably going to do Titanium shims, SS lines, and I’ve heard of rather simple ducting mods as well (vented fender liners, GT3/Turbo ducting)…
    - Stock rotors are fine for now, when it comes time to replace I’ll consider actual track time and performance to make a call…

    Engine/Trans/Exhaust
    - Center radiator for sure, CSF or similar if required (My 991 used to run 270+ at the track w/o 3rd radiator)…
    - PDK cooler? Is it required if I can keep engine temps down?
    - Not planning on doing headers now, but if I did in the future, would look into coatings to keep temps down…
    - Will definitely do an exhaust, but just started looking into the options/differences… Don’t plan on spending Akrapovic type money, but AWE/Fabspeedicon/Etc… Open to thoughts…

    Interior/Safety - I fully recognize the benefit/risk reduction/etc of bars/seats/belts, but for now I want to run season 1 without to see how much track time I’m actually able to accumulate before cutting the interior and sacrificing seating comfort....
    - escorticon Passport Max 360 w/blendmount…
    - I’ve got an Aim Solo DL, and am still reading about the brake pressure ‘issue’ with OBDII, and will then decide whether or not to wire direct CAN… I’d like a slick adaptor for easy in/out..
    - I’ve got a GoPRO 3, but may upgrade to a 4 or 5, and still need to investigate the best mount for the factory handle between the seats prior to rollbar…


    Outstanding Questions:
    - Preference for coating for use on top of Xpel? (Modesta/Opti-coat/etc)
    - Do they sell black fog light housings to get rid of the chrome, or do I need to powdercoat/paint/etc? I'd rather buy the part and install...
    - Any direct usage/comparison of X73 vs PSS10/KW/JRZ/etc? X73 is the cheapest, but with labor it wouldn't be much more for the others...
    - Do we need to run a PDK cooler on the 981 for summer (85+ temp) track days?
    - What mount do people use for a GoPro on the bar across the back directly behind the seats?

    Thanks

    Mark
    Hello Mark,

    Congrats on picking up the 981! I am sure you'll find it quite impressive on track in comparison to the heavy AWD 991 you were driving before. Your build is quite intriguing and i'd love to offer some recommendations.

    Suspension

    I have a Cayman R with the X73, and while it is the best factory suspension I have driven on the Boxster/Cayman platform it still leaves me wanting more. I drove an equivalent 987.2 Cayman S with the PSS10 and it is no doubt superior. Less body roll, more confidence inspiring, just overall a "tighter" system. The added benefit is you can play around with it and fine tune to your particular driving style. Highly recommend it. The GT3 LCA is a no brainer. Do the PSS10 and the GT3 LCA with a performance alignment and you'll be very happy. If you are looking for more, sway bars with adjustable end links are a nice improvement over factory as well. However I wouldn't recommend doing too much at once, i'd save that as a "Stage 2" suspensions addition so you can learn the characteristics of the coilovers and alignment first.

    Brakes

    The factory pads are junk. I ran through a set in one track weekend, ditch them quickly. If you'd like a street/track pad, Pagid Yellows are popular but i've found client feedback of the Ferodo DS2500 as quieter and has less performance falloff as the pad wears down. I personally run the Ferodo DS1.11 and while they sound like a freight train on the street, I have never run a better track pad. No fade that I could tell and they've barely worn over the last 4 track days. It's so quick and easy to change out pads on our cars that it might just be worth it to you to get a set of DS2500 for street/autox, and throw in a set of DS1.11 for track days. I run Castrol SRF fluid along with Goodridge SS Lines and couldn't be happier with the pedal feel/feedback. The factory drilled rotors will start to have stress cracks from the holes, and while this is normal it can become severe enough to crack all the way through and cause a failure. Slotted is the way to go, and I can't recommend the Girodisc rotors enough. I have had nothing but great experiences and feedback from all my guys running them (reduced brake temps, better/more consistent performance all around). They are also inexpensive to maintain as you can replace just the discs themselves and reuse the hats. Don't worry about the calipers, i've never seen someone outside of a dedicated race car out drive an optimal pad/rotor/fluid/lines upgrade. Ducting is definitely a good thing to do, you have to cool the brakes down as much as your can. Especially the rear, as even with traction control off the computer is messing about with the rear brakes to keep you on point. The only way to circumvent that and turn all the nannies off is to install a switch under the dash so you can cut all power to the system. Your dash will light up like a Christmas tree until you flip the power back on, but to no ill effect.

    Engine/Trans/Exhaust

    The center radiator is a great addition and recommended by every performance shop for cars that are seeing track use. The 981 PDK is much better off than previous generations as Porsche added a heat exchanger, so your 981 now additionally uses engine coolant to help reduce the PDK temperature. Even more of a reason to invest in a center radiator. Also, be sure make use of your cool down lap to cool down the PDK before being parking between sessions.

    Define your goals with the exhaust system, as you may be going at it the wrong way. If your priority is a change in exhaust note, we do have some options for you (some valved for a mild/wild setup) to meet your goals. However if your priority is performance, you need to get rid of your factory headers as they are the biggest restriction point on the car. With our catless race headers and a tune I picked up 27whp, it was transformational to say the very least. Changing out the headers also provides quite a nice improvement on the factory catback exhaust note as well (throatier, higher pitch, more crackle/burble).

    Wheels

    For street use do whatever floats your boat, but for track I strongly recommend getting a set of fully forged wheels. I have seen too many cast or "semi-forged" not stand up to track use. They are also a great bit lighter, and you'd be surprised at how much more "nimble" the car feels when you reduce unsprung weight and rotational mass of the wheels. On that same point, I would recommend going with an 18in for the track and the most go with a 18x8.5/18x10.5 and run a 245/40 275/40. Outside of slicks the Nitto NT01 and Bridgestone RE-71R are the most popular track day tires, and i'll personally be on the RE-71R this season. As for a set of quality fully forged wheels, I've got a very good source that would be $3500-$4000 shipped for a set of 18in monoblocks made to spec.

    Mark I hoped this helped and i'm here to answer any questions you have. I also have strong relationships with pretty much everyone in the aftermarket industry, and would be happy to be your go-to guy for planning out and ordering your performance upgrades. PM heading your way to follow up, and I look forward to working with you
    JOHN GAYDOS | Porsche Performance Specialist | 2012 Cayman R
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    Re: New to me 981 CS and Potential Build Options

    Fabspeedicon,

    Are you aware that every time you post, you make me want to spend money I absolutely should not be spending?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hayden View Post
    Fabspeedicon,

    Are you aware that every time you post, you make me want to spend money I absolutely should not be spending?
    Sorry Hayden, its a blessing and a curse lol. I threw a lot of information out there, may I ask what has peeked your interest?
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    Sorry Hayden, its a blessing and a curse lol. I threw a lot of information out there, may I ask what has peeked your interest?
    Headers. I don't need to go faster. This car is already too fast for my abilities. But something about headers and the cobb tune gets me goin'
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    Alright i'll throw some data at you then haha. I have a 2012 Cayman R, it came with PSE. I put just Race Headers and our Cobb/Protune package and it picked up 27whp. And it turned from a vacuum cleaner into this glorious symphony

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    Re: New to me 981 CS and Potential Build Options

    As far as coating over the Expel I went with Ceramic pro both on the car/ calipers and both sets of wheels.....the stuff is amazing, after driving the car I can detail it completely in 15 minutes with distilled water and micro fiber towels this same level of detail with no need to wash would have taken me atleast 2 hours in my old 993.......as far as the wheels /calipers go takes 4 minutes per wheel. was blown away after a track weekend and lots of brake dust took 10 minutes per wheel

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    Re: New to me 981 CS and Potential Build Options

    John,

    Thanks for the information! I think I sent you a PM, but don't see on in my 'sent' folder, so not sure it went through... Additional thoughts as follows:

    Suspension
    You somewhat described the dilemma I'm running down... I'm fairly certain I'm going to do the GT3 LCAs almost exclusively for tire life - getting an extra 1/2/3 days out of a $1k set of tires is worth it... If I'm going to the effort to install them, either myself or at a shop, I might as well do the coil-overs at the same time, as it's just more efficient - time and cost... But If doing that, than X73 may not be the best option, as I wouldn't want to get that package and be looking to upgrade a year from now, and might as well just get a more 'optimal' solution now, or wait the year and do the LCA/coil-overs together later, and just drive through the tires for now... Phase II will likely include the GT3 front and adjustable solid rear sway bar on adjustable drop links, but that will come later...

    Brakes
    I hadn't considered the dual pad option, as I thought swapping pads on the 981 (similar to the 991?) wasn't the easiest swap, even with the caliper/bracket studs installed? If it is that easy, may just use stock pads for the street and get the RS29 or DS1.11 to use on the track... I know you mentioned you have a 987.2, do you have the same calipers?

    Engine
    Definitely doing the center radiator. Thanks for the feedback on exhaust - Everything I've read about headers is in line with your comments... I'll likely consider that in Phase II, as the install seems more invasive, more likely to mess with CPO, and I need to better understand emissions/codes/etc before making a call on cats or catless...

    Wheels
    I'm leaning heavily towards the CCW or BBS route, in 18x9 and 18x10, but open to other suggestions... Need to learn more and decide between 3-piece and monoblock as well. Seems most are running the 245/275 40 NT01s, but I can't find RE-71Rs in that same size, and would need to go down the 275/35 in the rear, almost 1" shorter... Don't know how that will work... I'm also planning to drive to/from on the wheels/tires, and just simply looking at the NT01s they look 'limited' in any sort of weather... I have no problem driving carefully, but also may look into some sort of towing solution - I've seen the small tire trailers on 987s, but haven't seen them on the 981 - any options out there?

    Lastly, and I'll check the various garage forums as well, anybody have any opinions on the 'quick jack' low profile lifts? I've been thinking about gettingon eof these for the garage, and would certainly make work a lot easier - I don't have room for a full-lift until I do a detached...

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    Re: New to me 981 CS and Potential Build Options

    Quote Originally Posted by mgent View Post
    John,

    Thanks for the information! I think I sent you a PM, but don't see on in my 'sent' folder, so not sure it went through... Additional thoughts as follows:

    Suspension
    You somewhat described the dilemma I'm running down... I'm fairly certain I'm going to do the GT3 LCAs almost exclusively for tire life - getting an extra 1/2/3 days out of a $1k set of tires is worth it... If I'm going to the effort to install them, either myself or at a shop, I might as well do the coil-overs at the same time, as it's just more efficient - time and cost... But If doing that, than X73 may not be the best option, as I wouldn't want to get that package and be looking to upgrade a year from now, and might as well just get a more 'optimal' solution now, or wait the year and do the LCA/coil-overs together later, and just drive through the tires for now... Phase II will likely include the GT3 front and adjustable solid rear sway bar on adjustable drop links, but that will come later...

    Brakes
    I hadn't considered the dual pad option, as I thought swapping pads on the 981 (similar to the 991?) wasn't the easiest swap, even with the caliper/bracket studs installed? If it is that easy, may just use stock pads for the street and get the RS29 or DS1.11 to use on the track... I know you mentioned you have a 987.2, do you have the same calipers?

    Engine
    Definitely doing the center radiator. Thanks for the feedback on exhaust - Everything I've read about headers is in line with your comments... I'll likely consider that in Phase II, as the install seems more invasive, more likely to mess with CPO, and I need to better understand emissions/codes/etc before making a call on cats or catless...

    Wheels
    I'm leaning heavily towards the CCW or BBS route, in 18x9 and 18x10, but open to other suggestions... Need to learn more and decide between 3-piece and monoblock as well. Seems most are running the 245/275 40 NT01s, but I can't find RE-71Rs in that same size, and would need to go down the 275/35 in the rear, almost 1" shorter... Don't know how that will work... I'm also planning to drive to/from on the wheels/tires, and just simply looking at the NT01s they look 'limited' in any sort of weather... I have no problem driving carefully, but also may look into some sort of towing solution - I've seen the small tire trailers on 987s, but haven't seen them on the 981 - any options out there?

    Lastly, and I'll check the various garage forums as well, anybody have any opinions on the 'quick jack' low profile lifts? I've been thinking about gettingon eof these for the garage, and would certainly make work a lot easier - I don't have room for a full-lift until I do a detached...
    Suspension
    Yes the LCAs are necessary for tire life, I have worn the outside of my Michelins bald with still 3/32 left on the inside. I always recommend having a goal in mind and shooting to hit that goal from the start, always less expensive in the long run so you don't go through a couple iterations of upgrades. Your Phase 2 is a good one!

    Brakes
    You are correct on the brakes being a bit more timely than the 987.2 that I have. The front calipers do not have the open top to remove the pads without caliper removal, although I do believe the rear calipers still offer that on the 981 like the 987.2. Easiest way to confirm is take a peek in your wheels, i'd do it myself but I don't have a 981 in the shop right now to look at haha. Either way i'd still recommend the DS2500 over the Pagid Yellow and the DS1.11 over the Pagid Blacks base off my experience and feedback from fellow performance shops/clients I work with. Cherry on top is they're less expensive too.

    Engine
    Good choice on the center radiator, that one is a no brainer. Headers actually are very easy replacements on our cars, i'd say maybe 2hrs. They are staring you in the face when you put the car up in the air lol. I wouldn't worry so much about warranty, I've never heard of dealers in the states giving my clients heartache for having an exhaust upgrade on their car, hell half of them have their own aftermarket motorsports programs and/or sell our parts. If you are planning on tracking the car, catless is the way to go. Significantly more mid range/top end ditching the cats and no worries of burning up cats on track (factory or the best aftermarket HJS cats can only stand up to so much consistent high rpm track abuse). With how easy it is to change out the headers, if you have to pass emissions it is worth swapping them out every year or so to run them. We can tune out the CEL codes running catless as well, while fully optimizing the software for your performance modifications. Lots of potential on the software side as well as hardware.

    Wheels/Tires
    In regards to the tires, the sizing on the RE71R works because countless people are already doing it and love the results haha. I actually prefer the overall diameter of the tire to be as close to the same front and back on the same diameter wheel. In my mind it provides more consistent sidewall characteristics front/rear. The RE71R sizing on the 18in puts the fronts at 25.7" and the rears at 25.6" Perfect in my book. They are also much better in the rain than the NT01, i've driven through monsoons on a whooped set in an E46 M3 and was relatively confident haha. For the wheels, some people go 8.5/9 some people go 10/10.5 its just personal preference, both fit great. I wouldn't read into that too much, it'll make your brain hurt and all you'll find are subjective opinions haha. 3-piece is for show cars, monoblocks are for track cars Seriously though, good bit less weight on a monoblock wheel and they are generally less expensive as well. The wheels below are the ones i'm picking up for my car for $3500 shipped. Light, strong, and fit the Cayman nicely. They have some other designs too if you'd prefer something different.

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    Re: New to me 981 CS and Potential Build Options

    There's no black housing for the fog lights. You'll need to mod yourself if desired. There's that product out there called Night Shades - I guess, that works pretty good on plastic

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    Re: New to me 981 CS and Potential Build Options

    John - Thanks for the information. All my cosmetic stuff is in process (ordered, detailing scheduled), then I'm going to do the wheels/tires and suspension.. Once I get that stuff done, lets talk more about potential headers/tune... I'm going to hold of on exhaust for now as well, and do it, if at all, at the same time as headers...

    T-design - thanks for the heads-up on Night Shades (VHT)... I looked them up, and it looks like it's intended more for the lens than the housing... I'm going to ask the guys who will powder coat the wheels black if they can do the fog light housing as well...

    General question - is the lower temps in Sport+ only, or also in just Sport? I thought that both provided the lower temps in the 991.1....

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