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    PASM worth it?

    If you were ordering a new 08 what reasons would you have NOT to order PASM? I mean, other than the $2k.


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    Well let me confess one thing - I have never driven a Cayman (or 911) with PASM, so that is a major deficit in my background. However, that being said, I skipped it on my 06 CS mostly because I just didn't see using it frequently. Now, if you are planning to track your car regularly then it probably makes sense, but if not I think the question you should ask yourself is whether you are a "button guy." Are you likely to toggle between Standard and Sport on a regualr basis or do you think you'll probably just end up leaving it in one place or the other? Since I knew I'd end up leaving it I skipped PASM, essentially choosing a "middle ground" a bit sportier than the soft PASM setting but less so than "Sport." Just my thoughts.

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    I am not *yet* an owner but think that PASM is probably the one option I must have.

    Earlier threads (2006) seem to indicate that if you have 19" wheels the ride will be more comfortable with PASM. That alone will justify the expense for me.

    If you intend to modify your suspension (track purposes or whatever) then skip PASM.

    Happy hunting. Try to drive cars with and wthout the option and report back to us!

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    Yeah, I would not plan on any track time, but maybe. Thinking it may help resale?

    So the standard S suspension is in between the 2 settings with PASM?

    Anyone that have it care to comment?

    Thanks!

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    Hard to say in the resale area for PASM. The majority of purchasers out there won't know or care about PASM so they won't be willing to pay for it. None of the dealers in the NY City area even had a new PASM car in stock. A salesman told me that option is next to impossible to sell to a typical walk in customer so they don't order it.

    For resale purposes, a full leather dash will probably retain more value than PASM for a typical buyer.

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    Have you checked the FAQ on PASM yet?

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    PASM is operative (adaptive) all of the time; even in the default "off" position. Thus, it continuously firms and softens the suspension as driving conditions change. If you change your driving from casual to spirited, it automatically firms up. If the road changes from smooth to bumpy, it automatically softens. In my opinion, it is the most functional option one can get, and I strongly recommend it for everyone except those planning to switch out the Porsche OE suspension for an aftermarket sport suspension for the track.

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    And even those with it can swap for the Bilstein PASM-compatible PSS Damptronic system if they want even more sport at the track or height adjustability.

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    I don't have the car yet, but I'll give you my perspective if it helps any.

    One reason I wouldn't want PASM is because it's just another gizmo that could potentially break-down. While I know there are benefits, just like TPMS, I question the validity of it in the long-term for its cost justification to fix it.

    On a side-note, I wanted the PCM Nav as well, but figured to omit it after thinking about how future systems can be a greater benefit. Obsolescence prevented me from wanting built-in nav.
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    Dear Jim:

    Thanks for the reminder that PASM is "adaptive." It has taken a while (FAQ not withstanding) for me to get past the misconception that PASM has two static settings, and that skipping PASM would just split the difference. This notion was probably perpetuated by the same school of thought that led me to believe the car would raise and lower 10mm when switching between normal and sport.

    Considering a Cayman has presented me with decisions regarding options I've never had to make in the past. This website and its contributors have been fabulous!
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    Do the right thing......and take many test drives in different combinations. Take a non-PASM + 18" wheel combo car out and see what you think. If it's too harsh (or not firm enough) for you.....you may want PASM. For most city driving the standard suspension with 18's is great......and often WAY above most drivers envelope. If you just gotta have 19"s for looks, then you might want to consider PASM to soften up the ride a bit on the street......but then you've just spent at least $3,500 (wheels and PASM) you could have saved or used somewhere else in the car if you went non-PASM and standard 18"s. If you are going to track the car you might want PASM to have the dual setup available.

    Point being.......just don't buy something others think you should have. Decide for yourself whether you actually need/want the option and think its a good tradeoff for the $$$ spent.

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    i have sat in a carrera s with PASM. I almost have 'shaken baby syndrome' after having the PASM on for 30 minutes. The roads and highway are so badly maintain here in US, PASM is not worth the trouble if you are never going to track your car.

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    i have it and i would buy it again. like people have already said, the suspension is adaptive with or without PASM, but with a PASM equipt car you have the best of both worlds. in 'Normal' mode, the suspension is a little softer then a non-pasm cayman, and in 'Sport' mode the suspension is a little harder than a non-pasm cayman. at least, this is my understanding of how it works. PASM was a must-have when i was looking for my car.
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    There have been several very detailed threads discussing this identical question. You should read them.

    In summary, PASM is suspension magic and a must have for me. When you want a more compliant than standard sports car ride, you got it. When you want a stiffer than standard, but still streetable ride, you got it. All without pressing any button.

    On the street with my 19" wheel set I leave it on Normal almost all the time. For track, with my 18" wheel set I use Sport and can feel the difference within the warm up lap if I forgot to push the button.

    If you have 18s, never will have 19s, don't drive aggressively, will never track your car and have never experienced PASM, you may be satisfied without it. You will, however, exclude potential resale buyers of your car, reducing its marketability. Of course, if you do buy PASM you won't recoup your cost, just as you won't with any other option or mod.

    BTW, I've yet to hear of any PASM failures and the option cost is less than any aftermarket "alternative," making it, IMO, a bargain.
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    I'm in favor of PASM as an option, I have it on my 2007 and with the 19" wheels it smoothes out the rides somewhat. I also notice a great improvement at weekend autocross events over my 2005 Porsche which didn't have PASM. I like to think that it will help the resale value as selling a used Porsche is very competitive with lots of different options available for the prospective buyers. (just my 2-cents)
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    Quote Originally Posted by chare View Post
    ... like people have already said, the suspension is adaptive with or without PASM, ... in 'Normal' mode, the suspension is a little softer then a non-pasm cayman, and in 'Sport' mode the suspension is a little harder than a non-pasm cayman.
    The standard suspension is NOT adaptive, only PASM changes settings to meet driving conditions.

    PASM Normal is noticeably softer than standard and Sport is much stiffer than standard. Look at the range graph.
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    alright, aparently the standard suspension isn't adaptive (my mistake), all the more reason to get PASM. I just dont see a downside to PASM other then the cost. unless you are going to buy pss9 or moton or something like that. and as far as resale goes, you probably have more of a chance of someone specifically wanting a car with pasm or someone indifferent to it, rather than someone who specifically wants a car without it. anyway, there's another .02 for ya.
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    Just had a PDE at Millbrook today....Got to ride a CS with 19" wheels and PASM......I felt that PASM with 19" was softer in Normal mode, than my 18" wheels without PASM......

    I wish I had ticked the option when I specced my car.....Too late now....sigh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Michaels View Post
    PASM is operative (adaptive) all of the time; even in the default "off" position. Thus, it continuously firms and softens the suspension as driving conditions change. If you change your driving from casual to spirited, it automatically firms up. If the road changes from smooth to bumpy, it automatically softens. In my opinion, it is the most functional option one can get, and I strongly recommend it for everyone except those planning to switch out the Porsche OE suspension for an aftermarket sport suspension for the track.
    I agree! .

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    some myth busting is in order...

    Quote Originally Posted by RCayR View Post
    Well let me confess one thing - I have never driven a Cayman (or 911) with PASM, so that is a major deficit in my background. However, that being said, I skipped it on my 06 CS mostly because I just didn't see using it frequently. Now, if you are planning to track your car regularly then it probably makes sense, but if not I think the question you should ask yourself is whether you are a "button guy." Are you likely to toggle between Standard and Sport on a regular basis or do you think you'll probably just end up leaving it in one place or the other? Since I knew I'd end up leaving it I skipped PASM, essentially choosing a "middle ground" a bit sportier than the soft PASM setting but less so than "Sport." Just my thoughts.
    PASM is not just for the track - a common misconception - while it will firm up the base spec for the suspension in sport mode, it is adaptive even in sport mode, making the suspension firmer and/or softer on the track, within the spec for each mode. It can also change the firmness for each of the 4 wheels independently, something no non-adaptive suspension - including the widely used adjustable suspension kits, ie: PSS9s - can do, under any conditions.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonVW View Post
    Yeah, I would not plan on any track time, but maybe. Thinking it may help resale?

    So the standard S suspension is in between the 2 settings with PASM?

    Anyone that have it care to comment?

    Thanks!
    the two different modes overlap each other and overlap the stock suspension substantially depending on road surface conditions and driving style. It is constantly changing according to these conditions - essentially trying to maintain a level ride height and tire contact patch under all conditions under both modes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atlas_Croc View Post
    Do the right thing......and take many test drives in different combinations. Take a non-PASM + 18" wheel combo car out and see what you think. If it's too harsh (or not firm enough) for you.....you may want PASM. For most city driving the standard suspension with 18's is great......and often WAY above most drivers envelope. If you just gotta have 19"s for looks, then you might want to consider PASM to soften up the ride a bit on the street......but then you've just spent at least $3,500 (wheels and PASM) you could have saved or used somewhere else in the car if you went non-PASM and standard 18"s. If you are going to track the car you might want PASM to have the dual setup available.

    Point being.......just don't buy something others think you should have. Decide for yourself whether you actually need/want the option and think its a good tradeoff for the $$$ spent.
    best advice in this thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 340_mad View Post
    i have sat in a carrera s with PASM. I almost have 'shaken baby syndrome' after having the PASM on for 30 minutes. The roads and highway are so badly maintain here in US, PASM is not worth the trouble if you are never going to track your car.
    PASM is always "on" but is in either in sport mode or normal mode. In sport mode yes, it's base firmness under most conditions will be quite stiff, but on uneven road surfaces it has the ability to overlap the bottom of its firmness range to almost the normal setting.

    Quote Originally Posted by chare View Post
    i have it and i would buy it again. like people have already said, the suspension is adaptive with or without PASM, but with a PASM equipt car you have the best of both worlds. in 'Normal' mode, the suspension is a little softer then a non-pasm cayman, and in 'Sport' mode the suspension is a little harder than a non-pasm cayman. at least, this is my understanding of how it works. PASM was a must-have when i was looking for my car.
    As noted by STLPCA, the PASM suspension id not "in between" because it is constantly variable, adjusting to prevailing conditions.

    Like Dan, I also consider it suspension magic, and those who don't have it are missing one of the great automotive options available on any car at any price, imho. Years ago several F1 teams introduced adaptive suspension systems, and after less then half a season they were outlawed, as the teams that had it were so far ahead of the teams that didn't, it really wasn't fair.

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