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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    Please give us a review of the Burmester audio system.
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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    Great car, including colour combo. I am waiting for my test drive but someone crashed the only demo car they have at the dealer so I have to wait. It's the first ever really modern looking 911 in my opinion. What's ceramic glass coating?

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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    Quote Originally Posted by gtkyl View Post
    Please give us a review of the Burmester audio system.
    Hi the Burmester is superb comparing to Bose, the sound is crystal clear and the bass is about right. However, it is a bit useless in 991S since you always hear exhaust noise going through the cabin especially for my car which is equipped with PSE sport exhaust system.

    So the end result is mixing, if you turn off the car then it gives you one of the best hifi sound but then you start the engine and drive, the sound is immediate comparable with my BMW X3 standard sound system/ speaker.

    991S exhaust noise is much louder compare with my previous gen 2 CS, and I think it is a good thing since I always enjoy the sound of the flat six engine.

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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    Congratulations!! Enjoy the car!!

    that car must cost a ton in Thailand..
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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    Does your car have the SOUND SYMPOSER that pumps engine sound into the cabin?

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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    Quote Originally Posted by iambon View Post
    Hi the Burmester is superb comparing to Bose, the sound is crystal clear and the bass is about right. However, it is a bit useless in 991S since you always hear exhaust noise going through the cabin especially for my car which is equipped with PSE sport exhaust system.
    So true. Unless a car has a lot of sound insulation from engine and road noise, an expensive stereo is mostly about marketing. Now, come to think of it, in places where the top legal speed is 65MPG, a sports car is also about marketing And we love it.

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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    What is ceramic paint?


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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    Quote Originally Posted by Hi_Fi_Guy View Post
    Does your car have the SOUND SYMPOSER that pumps engine sound into the cabin?
    When I drove my CS I always put sport exhaust on and I love it.

    For 991S, the overall cabin noise is quiter compare with my previous CS, less road and tire noises. However, the sport exhaust is much louder especially during the low rev. I believe it has some sort of the exhaust sound amplifier that pump sound into the cabin.

    The new exhaust sound has a very unique burble sound on deaccecelating which I really like it. It feels like a race car.

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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    Quote Originally Posted by Katera View Post
    What is ceramic paint?
    Is is for paint protection, it is very popular in this region.

    Actually, I did not believe much about it until I tried to it on my new BMW X3. A few days after coating, I noticed that there was a dirty spot on my paint, I tried to remove it with many cleaners, even I decided to use a strong paint remover but I still can not remove it until I realized that it was under the cleared ceramic coating so I went back to the service and ask them to remove it. They said that this has to use their special remover to remove the cleared ceramic coating then reapply it again.

    So I do believe that it creates the extra cleared protective layers on top of the original paint.
    - gives strong paint protection 7H ( I use my X3 to commute 100 km a day on motorway and now she is 10,000 km so far no rock chips )
    - gives shinny affect
    - it is easy to clean the dirts
    - it can protect up to 3-5 years depending on the package
    - value added for resell

    I did this also on my CS and the car still looks new after 1 year. I did not say it is 100% paint protection, my CS also has minor rock chips (1-2 very small spot easy to touch up) but it helps to greatly reduce the problem ( when you drive on the track with 200 km/hr).

    You can see more info on the below link.

    Beautiful G'zox

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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    Quote Originally Posted by iambon View Post
    Hi the Burmester is superb comparing to Bose, the sound is crystal clear and the bass is about right. However, it is a bit useless in 991S since you always hear exhaust noise going through the cabin especially for my car which is equipped with PSE sport exhaust system.

    So the end result is mixing, if you turn off the car then it gives you one of the best hifi sound but then you start the engine and drive, the sound is immediate comparable with my BMW X3 standard sound system/ speaker.

    991S exhaust noise is much louder compare with my previous gen 2 CS, and I think it is a good thing since I always enjoy the sound of the flat six engine.
    Thank you for the information on the Burmester; I'm so happy that Porsche is giving us an option other than Bose ...
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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    I test drove a 991S last night (3rd time test driving one) and it only confirmed everything you feared. It's an amazing looking car but it is numb compared to the Cayman. The electric steering is very noticeable in the way it kills feedback. I fear that the 981 won't necessarily be that much better. I wonder if the value of the Cayman R will remain strong.


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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    Quote Originally Posted by iambon View Post
    The new exhaust sound has a very unique burble sound on deaccecelating which I really like it. It feels like a race car.
    Congratulations!

    The stock exhaust and PSE on the 991 is how Porsche's should have always sounded and if the PSE had sounded this good on teh 997/987 models they'd have been making a lot more sales of it. That overrun burble on the 991 is very addictive.

    [QUOTE=hawc;618643]I test drove a 991S last night (3rd time test driving one) and it only confirmed everything you feared. It's an amazing looking car but it is numb compared to the Cayman. The electric steering is very noticeable in the way it kills feedback. I fear that the 981 won't necessarily be that much better. I wonder if the value of the Cayman R will remain strong. [QUOTE]

    Yep....it is a car that will appear to a wider audience. The turn in is amazing but so what! that's all electronics anyway and so does nothing for me and if I was to only have one Porsche in my stable it would be my 987C with its mods....but it is not my daily car and so that makes a difference.

    Drone from the exhaust on the new 991 is also pretty bad and it is present on all 997/987 models but think it is worse on the 991 now.
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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    Yesterday, I drove my 991S through my favorite urban road at the same pace as my previous gen 2 CS. I would like to give my impressions.

    - Cornering: 991S can carry the same/more speed through the corners against CS however, I can feel many electronic aids (PTV, PDCC, PSM, Dynamic engine mounts) are working hard to keep the car balance as oppose to when I corner my CS, I feel more mechanical grip, more balance, it is just so simple to do it on CS.

    - Exit speed: exit speed is amazing on 991S because it has a more powerful engine + bigger rear tire, but then I have to time it right as when to floor the pedal if not then 991S will show you that it is still a tailed heavy car. A bit nervous at times but soon you will learn how to control it, then it is more fun. I have a little doubt that if Cayman get the same power + tire, it might outperform 911.

    - Braking: 991S is still superior because of bigger brakes and tires

    - PDCC: When I corner my CS, I can feel the car's limit through many factors and one of important factors is body roll. 991S with PDCC, it can give you more confident when cornering and my mind say "yes, my car has PDCC". For me, some times it is more difficult to judge the limit since the car just keep going and going with very little body roll. I need a bit more time to learn to find the limit. My previous CS is just plain simple to reach the limit (of my driving skill of course).

    - PDK, I must admitted that new PDK in 991S is way better than previous gen PDK. It is much quicker and smoother to change gears, it makes the previous gen PDK look like an old auto box. Of course this will be the same for new 981.

    - Steering: the precision is more or less the same however the steering feel is less in 991. If Cayman is 10/10 then I will give new 991 = 7/10.

    - Exhaust sound: 991S with PSE = racing car exhaust sound, period.

    - Exterior: I always prefer the design of 987.2 over 997. This is the first time that I think that Porsche has done an excellent job on the exterior design of 911 (since 993), it might look similar to 997 at first sight but it actually has a better proportion, and it is one of the most beautiful Porsche to my eye.

    - Interior: my previous cayman has full Carrera red natural leather interior so it didn't not feel interiorer to new 991S. The fit and finish is more or less the same. I may be the only one person that would prefer the old cabin layout of 997/987 instead of new one. I find that it is not good to place buttons lower in the center console as you need to turn your head down to find where is the right button. When you need to operate air con above PDK, it is also a problem since you can not see all buttons so I need to lean forward just to see the right buttons ( my car is right handed)

    I never drive any 911 before so I could not give my impression of how it compares to the old 911. I do not think that 991S has less handling ability to the Cayman but it will take time to learn how to master it. In that sense, I think CS is superior.
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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    Very thorough review. I agree with you whole heartedly about the Sport Exhaust. It's a must have option. Question, does your exahust crackle and pop on without Sport Exhaust on? Or is that a Sport Exhaust only feature?

    Suprised you notice so much difference with the new PDK. I didn't notice that and I still feel it's a bit rough going from 2nd to 1st. Bit of a 'clunk'

    Why did you load it up with so many options if you like a more 'natural' feeling car?

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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    Quote Originally Posted by hawc View Post
    Very thorough review. I agree with you whole heartedly about the Sport Exhaust. It's a must have option. Question, does your exahust crackle and pop on without Sport Exhaust on? Or is that a Sport Exhaust only feature?

    Suprised you notice so much difference with the new PDK. I didn't notice that and I still feel it's a bit rough going from 2nd to 1st. Bit of a 'clunk'

    Why did you load it up with so many options if you like a more 'natural' feeling car?
    Hi, exhaust sound works best when sport mode is on, seems like there is 2 steps on 991S.

    - PSE "on", sport mode "off" -> more sportier exhaust sound
    - PSE "on", sport mode "on" -> more aggressive burble sound

    for suspension, 991S is preloaded with PASM, PTV, Dynamic Engine Mount as stnadard for an S version. The only option I choose is PDCC since I read about how good it is, PDCC alone can take 14s from Nurburing times.

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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    Quote Originally Posted by iambon View Post
    Hi, exhaust sound works best when sport mode is on, seems like there is 2 steps on 991S.

    - PSE "on", sport mode "off" -> more sportier exhaust sound
    - PSE "on", sport mode "on" -> more aggressive burble sound

    for suspension, 991S is preloaded with PASM, PTV, Dynamic Engine Mount as stnadard for an S version. The only option I choose is PDCC since I read about how good it is, PDCC alone can take 14s from Nurburing times.
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    Mine doesn't have PSE. The stock exhaust has gives just a touch of burble and blip. The intake sound piped in with Sport and Sport+ settings is entertaining but nowhere near as gloriously as PSE. I am edging closer to retrofitting PSE for the pure entertainment value- my Boxter S RS-60 had it and I loved it, although the 991 generates a very different sound- roar- snap, crackle and pop rather than waillllll.

    I bought the car the way it was in the showroom as it had the PASM Sport+ (lower and stiffer), and I loved the way it handled. I have not gotten close to figuring out if it is as good as my RS-60, which was Cayman-like, but I have no reason to believe it won't be- the new suspension is just outstanding. I think the new Boxters and Camans are going to be mindbogglingly good.
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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    Hi after 2 months with my 991S, I feel that it is getting better day by day.
    I had more chances to drive at the high speed on empty motorway, the high speed stability is great, I would say that it might edge cayman in this aspect due to the new longer chassis and big rear tyres.

    I am more familiar with her and trying to explore her cornering's ability.
    It is not bad at all, actually I can put her through corners at the same pace as my previous 987.2S. It is amazing achievement from Porsche.

    So I still miss my CS but 991S does not disappoint me at all.

    Enjoy your drives.

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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    Congrats on your new 991, iambon! It looks phenomenal!

    And since you are the local expert on Porsche, may I ask you about the best way to get rid of the front bumper holes (like to make it clean and clear as if it is never there in the first place), since I am willing to take my chances and decided not to put a license plate on the front.

    Thank you in advance!
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    Re: 991 vs 987.2 miss my CS already

    Quote Originally Posted by BoBoi View Post
    Congrats on your new 991, iambon! It looks phenomenal!

    And since you are the local expert on Porsche, may I ask you about the best way to get rid of the front bumper holes (like to make it clean and clear as if it is never there in the first place), since I am willing to take my chances and decided not to put a license plate on the front.

    Thank you in advance!
    Hi I think the best place to do this is bumper plugs

    Please check at there website Welcome

    I hope you will find a solution. Have a blast drive in CR!

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