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05-10-2010, 12:22 PM
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Country: | | | Cayman S VS Porsche 928 Hi! I am new on the forum. I have some questions about the Cayman S. I currently own a Porsche 928 GTS since 1994 (manual) and I think about a new Cayman S. I just spent a couple days vacation from Quebec City to New Brunswick with my girl friend and my GTS and decided it was time for a new Porsche. I spent almost 1200$ in fuel just driving around plus I had my general maintenance done before travel that cost me about 8500$ and It was not done by the dealer...so using my GTS as a daily drive begins to be very expensive...I was thinking about buying a Cayman S manual with LSD, but don't know how it handles. The GTS is a big beast and was wondering how is the Cayman S driving compared to 928. I saw online that the Porsche Dealer had some in inventory, but all have those options I don't want to pay for like bluetooth, Wheels etc...Would it worth to have a custom built Cayman S with no others option than the LSD, lights and Sports mode than buying one in inventory with a lot of extra I don't want because I won't use them anyway. I am not interested to give my GTS in exchange to the dealer either. I will keep it until I die. I just one a new easy daily drive. any comments or suggestions?  |  |  |  | | LSD - Limited Slip Differential |  | A limited slip differential (LSD) is a modified or derived type of differential gear arrangement that allows for some difference in rotational velocity of the output shafts, but does not allow the difference in speed to increase beyond a preset amount. In an automobile, such limited slip differentials are sometimes used in place of a standard differential, where they convey certain dynamic advantages, at the expense of greater complexity.
The main advantage of a limited slip differential is found by considering the case of a standard (or "open") differential where one wheel has no contact with the ground at all. In such a case, the contacting wheel will remain stationary, and the non-contacting wheel will rotate freely– the torque transmitted will be equal at both wheels, but will not exceed the threshold of torque needed to move the vehicle, thus the vehicle will remain stationary. In everyday use on typical roads, such a situation is very unlikely, and so a normal differential suffices. For more demanding use however, such as driving off-road, or for high performance vehicles, such a state of affairs is undesirable, and the LSD can be employed to deal with it. By limiting the velocity difference between a pair of driven wheels, useful torque can be transmitted as long as there is some friction available on at least one of the wheels. To see the installation of a LSD style unit Click Here | |  |  |  |  | | 
05-10-2010, 12:45 PM
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Country: | | | Re: Cayman S VS Porsche 928 Unless you insist you need a brand new one from the factory, Id pick up a used Cayman S thats 2-3yrs old, has stupid low miles, looks and drives brand new inside and out, yet saves you $35,000. Then you can afford to be picky on the options you want and dont want because the original owner paid for the depreciation for all of them.
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05-10-2010, 12:54 PM
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Country: | | | Re: Cayman S VS Porsche 928 I'm not sure whether this will help, but last summer I did a lead/follow with a 928 at a track in Colorado and filmed a lap with him. I've got a 2.7, and we had quite a good battle going. He certainly had more power, but I was able to gain on him in the corners. Here's the clip. YouTube - Dan Takes Lead
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05-10-2010, 12:58 PM
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Country: | | | Re: Cayman S VS Porsche 928 Don't worry about the options yet. Just test drive the car and turn off the stuff you do not want (like Sport Mode, PASM, etc.). It is a very different feel than a front engine car. There is Cayman (5 spd) and Cayman S (6 spd) which has a bigger engine about 30 HP difference but won't matter much on street driving.
Many 2009's are at roughly $15K (US) discount including options. If you like how the car drives and know if Cayman versus Cayman S, then I would special order to your satisfaction. Otherwise you would wait until a specific used one comes up and that is pretty much luck.
New Cayman comes with 4 Year 50K miles warranty. Oil change is about $200 (US) at my independent ($80 for oil, $80 labor, $20 parts, $20 tax) versus $160 at dealer just for service (oil & parts extra). A Major at 20K mile intervals vary between $1,000 to $1,200.
Local dealer is out of 2009. Has 2010 Cayman S manual with LSD but also includes XM Radio, SC, Universal Audio Interface, Floor Mats, Bose Sound, Bluetooth, Auto Climate Control, PASM, Self dim mirrors & rain sensor, heated front seats, 5mm wheel spacers, Leather sport seats, bixenon headlights with dynamic cornering, PCM 3.0 w/extended navigation, and 19" carrera s II wheels. Lots of stuff for MSRP $77,625. There is a PDK version for $82,940.
You can go on the Porsche website and build your own for less with just LSD, Bixenons, and SC. I think the build wait is around 6-8 months. But later this year if the dealer is willing to knock off ~$15K (US) to make space for 2011s, then it will be on par with a custom build. A smaller engine Cayman would be less.
But go to a local dealer and drive the different versions and features, then go from there.  |  |  |  | | PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management |  | This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
Need more information about PASM? Click this link: FAQ for PASM | |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | LSD - Limited Slip Differential |  | A limited slip differential (LSD) is a modified or derived type of differential gear arrangement that allows for some difference in rotational velocity of the output shafts, but does not allow the difference in speed to increase beyond a preset amount. In an automobile, such limited slip differentials are sometimes used in place of a standard differential, where they convey certain dynamic advantages, at the expense of greater complexity.
The main advantage of a limited slip differential is found by considering the case of a standard (or "open") differential where one wheel has no contact with the ground at all. In such a case, the contacting wheel will remain stationary, and the non-contacting wheel will rotate freely– the torque transmitted will be equal at both wheels, but will not exceed the threshold of torque needed to move the vehicle, thus the vehicle will remain stationary. In everyday use on typical roads, such a situation is very unlikely, and so a normal differential suffices. For more demanding use however, such as driving off-road, or for high performance vehicles, such a state of affairs is undesirable, and the LSD can be employed to deal with it. By limiting the velocity difference between a pair of driven wheels, useful torque can be transmitted as long as there is some friction available on at least one of the wheels. To see the installation of a LSD style unit Click Here | |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | PDK - Porsche Doppelkupplung |  | (FAQ in Process)
Derived from motorsport, PDK, available for the 911 Turbo for the first time, achieves one thing above all else: it provides the perfect balance between uncompromisingly dynamic performance and exceptional levels of comfort. It’s purely about point of view. The driver’s especially.
The optional PDK with both manual and automatic modes enables extremely fast gear changes with no interruption in the power flow. For improved acceleration and significantly lower fuel consumption – without having to dispense with the advantages of an automatic.
The driver experiences a sportier, even more dynamic drive with more agility. Depending on driving style, gear changes range from exceptionally comfortable to exceptionally sporty.
Manual gear changes are performed using the PDK’s ergonomically designed gear lever or the switches on the steering wheel: nudge forwards to change up, pull back to change down. The logic behind the optional three-spoke sports steering wheel with gearshift paddles comes from motorsport: pull to the right to shift up, pull to the left to shift down.
PDK has been specially tuned to the characteristics of the new 911 Turbo models. It has seven gears at its disposal. Gears 1 to 6 have a sports ratio, with the top speed being reached in 6th gear. The 7th gear has a long ratio and helps to reduce fuel consumption even further.
PDK is essentially two half-gearboxes in one and thus requires two clutches – designed as a double wet clutch transmission.
This double clutch provides an alternating, non positive connection between the two half-gearboxes and the engine by means of two separate input shafts (input shaft 1 is nested inside the hollowed-out input shaft 2).
The flow of power from the engine is only ever transmitted through one half-gearbox and one clutch at a time, while the next gear is preselected in the second half-gearbox. During a gear change, therefore, a conventional shift no longer takes place. Instead, one clutch simply opens and the other closes at the same time. Gear changes can therefore take place within milliseconds.
Clutch 1 controls the first half-gearbox, which contains the odd gears (1, 3, 5, 7) and reverse. Clutch 2 controls the second, which contains the even gears (2, 4, 6).
The optional Sport Chrono Package Turbo with dynamic engine mount system provides PDK with two additional functions, ‘Launch Control’ and ‘motorsport-derived gearshift strategy’.
PDK – sporty, comfortable and efficient. Characteristics that have been given some thought elsewhere too: in the specification for the new 911 Turbo models. | |  |  |  |  |
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05-10-2010, 01:04 PM
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Country: | | | Re: Cayman S VS Porsche 928
Originally Posted by beleary I'm not sure whether this will help, but last summer I did a lead/follow with a 928 at a track in Colorado and filmed a lap with him. I've got a 2.7, and we had quite a good battle going. He certainly had more power, but I was able to gain on him in the corners. Here's the clip. YouTube - Dan Takes Lead | Nice video. Are you running stock or tuned? What is the camera mount and video cam you are using? Thanks.
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05-10-2010, 01:19 PM
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Country: | | | Re: Cayman S VS Porsche 928
Originally Posted by beleary I'm not sure whether this will help, but last summer I did a lead/follow with a 928 at a track in Colorado and filmed a lap with him. I've got a 2.7, and we had quite a good battle going. He certainly had more power, but I was able to gain on him in the corners. Here's the clip. YouTube - Dan Takes Lead | Was it a S4 (320 HP) or a GT (330 HP)? mine has 350 HP engine and can tell you it's quicker in straight line than this one! It was a nice race | 
05-10-2010, 01:28 PM
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Country: | | | Re: Cayman S VS Porsche 928 Father-in-law has a 93 GTS, I have a Cayman S. I can give you some specific comparisons.
1) The cayman will feel more nimble.
2) You will definitly feel the shorter wheelbase (more bounce). I love the GTS as a tourer - it is absolutly perfect.
3) The GTS with some mods has 340 HP at the wheels. More than the Cayman but is significatly heavier.
4) The GTS will have much more torque. I feel I have to work in the Cayman to get anywhere - (although this is the least powerful car I have had in a while).
5) The ac in the gts is far better than the Cayman (although you may not need that).
6) The Cayman will have significatly less maintenance requirements than the GTS (naturally)
7) The cayman's extra trunk space is very useful - however, you'd be amazed what has been hauled in the 928 (lumber, mulch, etc.)
8) The Cayman will have less personality (my opinion). THese are all things that I can't describe well but I'll try. Start up the GTS and you hear and feel it. Numbers aside - it has soul. Doors close with a solid clunk, everything feels tactical and thought out. The cayman (again - my opinion) is a modern day car. Start it up and you will hear very little and see lots of plastic. There is something missing in its average driving. much less feel than days ago.
That said - Cayman is much easier to drive, a huge amount of fun in the twisties, and you can pick them up pretty cheap - they depreciate quickly...
Hope this helps. | 
05-10-2010, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sctrent Nice video. Are you running stock or tuned? What is the camera mount and video cam you are using? Thanks. | Desnork and maxed out camber with RE-11s. That's it.
The camera mount was (hard to believe, but true) an old launching pad for my son's Estes rocket for cub scouts that I made of wood which I mounted a screw to that attached the camera. I wedged it under the silver bar behind the seats and used the netting and bungee cords to secure it. The camera is a Canon Elura. Now I have a VholdR ContourHD Camcorder. Much better video, especially with the window mount. Here's that video (sorry, don't mean to take over the thread!): YouTube - Cruising With Chris in the Caymans at HPR
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05-10-2010, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Porsche928GTS Was it a S4 (320 HP) or a GT (330 HP)? mine has 350 HP engine and can tell you it's quicker in straight line than this one! It was a nice race  | Not sure. I was surprised that I could stay somewhat close to him on the straights. With a 350 you would not have been in camera range for long! Sounds like a monster!
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05-10-2010, 01:57 PM
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Country: | | | Re: Cayman S VS Porsche 928 Salut! I'm from Quebec city also, but living in Montreal. Still a Nordiques fan!
I got a great deal on my 09 Cayman S this winter, dealer knocked 16k off price for a brand new one. Some options I wanted but didn't have but at that price, it was hard to say no.
The 09+ have direct injection engines (320hp) so it shouldn't be much of a difference in power from yours. I'm averaging 12.6 l / 100 km with a lead foot so for long distance you should expect less. Of course it's a "tappe-cul" on our wonderful QC roads but it doesn't matter. as it's fairly light and extremely well balanced car with very good driveability. Coming from an R8 I was expecting to be disappointed but I believe the Cayman S is better suited for our roads / laws. Easier to have fun at lower speeds.
Option to have would also be sport chrono which changes the personality of the car. | 
05-10-2010, 02:07 PM
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Country: | | | Re: Cayman S VS Porsche 928 "Unless you insist you need a brand new one from the factory, Id pick up a used Cayman S thats 2-3yrs old, has stupid low miles, looks and drives brand new inside and out, yet saves you $35,000. Then you can afford to be picky on the options you want and dont want because the original owner paid for the depreciation for all of that."
Ditto!! | 
05-10-2010, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Porsche928GTS Hi! I am new on the forum. I have some questions about the Cayman S. I currently own a Porsche 928 GTS since 1994 (manual) and I think about a new Cayman S. I just spent a couple days vacation from Quebec City to New Brunswick with my girl friend and my GTS and decided it was time for a new Porsche. I spent almost 1200$ in fuel just driving around plus I had my general maintenance done before travel that cost me about 8500$ and It was not done by the dealer...so using my GTS as a daily drive begins to be very expensive...I was thinking about buying a Cayman S manual with LSD, but don't know how it handles. The GTS is a big beast and was wondering how is the Cayman S driving compared to 928. I saw online that the Porsche Dealer had some in inventory, but all have those options I don't want to pay for like bluetooth, Wheels etc...Would it worth to have a custom built Cayman S with no others option than the LSD, lights and Sports mode than buying one in inventory with a lot of extra I don't want because I won't use them anyway. I am not interested to give my GTS in exchange to the dealer either. I will keep it until I die. I just one a new easy daily drive. any comments or suggestions? | Had a similar decision to make before I did a special order on a 2010 Cayman S with LSD, Sport Chrono, Manual Transmission, Bluth Tooth, UAI and Floor Mats. Like you, did not want to pay for a lot of options that I did not want on the car. As my car would do track events a few times a year, the DFI Engine (09 & 10 model years) Sport Chrono and LSD were a must not a wish. Did a nationwide search but could not find anything close to what I wanted. Was able to get a discount on the Special Order and 1.9% financing, the car is spectacular and I am very happy.
However if the car will not be used at the track then a used Cayman S with low miles makes perfect sense. Good luck.  |  |  |  | | DFI |  | Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control. | |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | LSD - Limited Slip Differential |  | A limited slip differential (LSD) is a modified or derived type of differential gear arrangement that allows for some difference in rotational velocity of the output shafts, but does not allow the difference in speed to increase beyond a preset amount. In an automobile, such limited slip differentials are sometimes used in place of a standard differential, where they convey certain dynamic advantages, at the expense of greater complexity.
The main advantage of a limited slip differential is found by considering the case of a standard (or "open") differential where one wheel has no contact with the ground at all. In such a case, the contacting wheel will remain stationary, and the non-contacting wheel will rotate freely– the torque transmitted will be equal at both wheels, but will not exceed the threshold of torque needed to move the vehicle, thus the vehicle will remain stationary. In everyday use on typical roads, such a situation is very unlikely, and so a normal differential suffices. For more demanding use however, such as driving off-road, or for high performance vehicles, such a state of affairs is undesirable, and the LSD can be employed to deal with it. By limiting the velocity difference between a pair of driven wheels, useful torque can be transmitted as long as there is some friction available on at least one of the wheels. To see the installation of a LSD style unit Click Here | |  |  |  |  | | 
05-11-2010, 06:59 PM
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Country: | | | Re: Cayman S VS Porsche 928 Very different cars, the Cayman is more of a sports car, with more noise and quicker, responsive handling.
Cayman S pulls about the same as my 928 GT, but overall the Cayman is a faster car due to better handling and better brakes.
The Cayman has about as much soul as any shark, they are just different animals.
But, the feeling of a well sorted shark, with modified suspension, updated wheels and RMB is hard to beat..
You should drive a Cayman to find out if it is suitable for you.
Just keeep in note that Caymans are also individuals with a different personality, lots of difference from a base model up to a loaded S with all the nice equipment.
Of course you should keep your GTS - they will soon be an endangered species.
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