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    Thumbs up Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    The TT-RS (AWD) has a 5 cylinder 2.5 liter single large turbo to produce 250kw (335hp) @ 450Nm of torque, 0-100kms in 4.6 seconds

    My 6MT Gen 2 Cayman S with a Softronicicon Tune produces 250kw @ 390Nm of torque.

    I could see from my rear view mirror the Audi was obviously nose heavy by the way it was sinking its nose into the corners.
    The Cayman was flat and composed, this was to be expected, also I might add the factory LSD on the Cayman is brilliant for this type of driving, ok it may not be a motorsport pedigree LSD, but it just works brilliantly as a street package.

    What did take my surprise was the pickup the flat-six had over the 5pot turbo on the straights. Truly past 5000RPM on this car is freakish because the momentum gathers rather quickly whilst up-shifting through the gears. I'm thinking the 6MT gearing is superior to the Audi's 6MT, I'm not sure what it was, but the Audi was no match to the Cayman @ WOT. I simply wasn't expecting this. Anyhow I thought I would share my experience, it was a FUN filled day.
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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    Good story.

    Good to know the gen 2 is faster than the TTRS.
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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    I LOVE my Cayman to death and it can run rings around the TT but I have to say...in terms of design presence the TT has the Cayman licked. For me, the most important part of a car is the way it feels and handles so of course I went with the Cayman BUT my ultimate car would be one that looks like the TT and drives like the Cayman. The TT looks angry and techno while the Cayman looks more benign, very nice, but less aggressive...then there is the interior which is Audi hands down. That's expected though.

    No car is perfect (though I think the Cayman is pretty close!). The Porsche is the drivers car, the Audi is the designers car...

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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    Thats all interesting.
    However, Note that you have a small mod on the CS and I assume the TTRS is stock. A small software flash to TTRS will take the turbo to another level.

    BTW, did you dyno your car for those figures?
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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    No Dyno (can't be dyno'ed??), I simply added the numbers from Softronicicon (best case scenario)

    The TT-RS was bone stock, so given the "best case scenario" with the Cayman S numbers it still out performed the Audi...

    A simple tune will turn the TT-RS into a rocket!! but what solution can be done for it's driving composure?
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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    Found out how to dyno the DFI Cayman on a standard 2WD Dyno.
    Disconnect the ABS control unit.
    Secret no more!
    Now weather I will do that or not is another story!
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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    I still love the way they look and would really like to have one for Mrs. GM3 to run around in.
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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    I like the front end and that steering wheel on the audi looks really nice. The back end of the TT...no thank you. It is just blah to my eyes. A tune on any turbo car can do wonders by adjusting the boost levels but does put more stress on the engine and good bye warranty if they discover you tuned it.

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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    Quote Originally Posted by coal0101 View Post
    A tune on any turbo car can do wonders by adjusting the boost levels but does put more stress on the engine and good bye warranty if they discover you tuned it.
    Certain importers in Europe and dealers in Germany offer chipping on all of the VAG range with no warranty issues, but obviously this is not a VAG policy.

    My A3 1.8T is still running strong with 40k miles on it after being chipped

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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunebasher View Post
    Certain importers in Europe and dealers in Germany offer chipping on all of the VAG range with no warranty issues, but obviously this is not a VAG policy.

    My A3 1.8T is still running strong with 40k miles on it after being chipped
    How aggressive is the tune? A couple extra lbs of boost will up your power and probably not cause any issues...well outside of the warranty (at least in the US). An aggressive tune will give you more power but expect more maintenance. I used to have a 3kGT with an electronic boost controller...it was fun to be able to control it on the fly.

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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    Quote Originally Posted by Capercat View Post
    I'm thinking the 6MT gearing is superior to the Audi's 6MT, I'm not sure what it was, but the Audi was no match to the Cayman @ WOT. I simply wasn't expecting this. Anyhow I thought I would share my experience, it was a FUN filled day.
    Thanks for the comparision. Interesting to hear the TT RS's performance didn't quite stack up to it's numbers in a straight line.
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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    Quote Originally Posted by coal0101 View Post
    How aggressive is the tune? A couple extra lbs of boost will up your power and probably not cause any issues...well outside of the warranty (at least in the US). An aggressive tune will give you more power but expect more maintenance. I used to have a 3kGT with an electronic boost controller...it was fun to be able to control it on the fly.
    Agreed, and I would be reluctant to turn up the boost on all cars, but knowing how strong the VAG engines are it wasn't a concern for me.

    I'm sure your 3000GT was good fun and sounds like you may have had some serious mods?

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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunebasher View Post
    Agreed, and I would be reluctant to turn up the boost on all cars, but knowing how strong the VAG engines are it wasn't a concern for me.

    I'm sure your 3000GT was good fun and sounds like you may have had some serious mods?

    I wouldn't worry about a tune on VAG FSI engine either. Took my Audi S3 from 265 bhp to 310 bhp, ran it hard for 2 years before trade in at an Audi dealer. The comments form the guys at the dealership were in the vain of "the next guys gonna love what you've done with the tune" - sweet! YMMV

    Shame your pal didn't hit the delete option for that hideous spoiler... nice ride though.

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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    I've not seen one in person. Maybe its the angle of the pictures but that thing looks fat. It looks like one of the new school "make it fat then try to disguise the mass with tricky styling" cars. I mean I'm sure I'd love to own one and drive it, but that is the way it strikes me just looking at the pics. Its got that "my grandfather on my mother's side was a Q7" look to it.. To be fair most other cars these days have some SUV in them too.

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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    Thanks for this summary.

    Do you think you might be able to do a similar comparison on our other favourite places?

    You've had a bit of a try with the droptop TT-S, but not with the RS version... was the TTS tuned?

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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    I agree with this assessment. The back end reminds me a little of the Scion tc.

    The interior of the RS seems 'classier' than the CS.

    Thanks for posting the comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coal0101 View Post
    I like the front end and that steering wheel on the audi looks really nice. The back end of the TT...no thank you. It is just blah to my eyes.

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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    The Audi TT has forced induction. Do the same with the Cayman, TPCicon turbo, and the discussion ends.
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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    I'm the TT RS owner, and i thought i'd like to clarify a few things. On the drive, Sport mode was not active in the RS. This means the suspension was in comfort the whole time. Caper made that comment at the end of the run down to the moorings and i responded at the time that perhaps i should have put sport on, but was unsure of my new toy on the road surface. The Haldex Gen4 coupled with the PS2icon's is a wonderful combination, but having just jumped out of a Golf Mk5 R32, i was still acclimating to a less 'lead tipped' balance with more tendency to provide liftoff oversteer. Hence a more conservative choice for the suspension on what i had assumed would be a more rough surface.

    The only time i activated sport was after our 'exit' from the park (post discussion). In that instance, all be it a little darker, the Porsche was no-where to be seen. Could have been Caper taking it easier... could have been my preference for night driving over Capers and the 'superior' standard Bi-Xenons on the TT... Could have been the underdamped roll from the car being removed by a more taught and composed damping rate. So, it may seem the 'solution for driving composure' is to actually use the "sport" button they fitted in the factory when driving the car as a sports car.

    Now, last weekend on slightly greasy roads and with me 2.5 months in the RS, the Cayman S seemed to loose pretty much every edge it might have had in the first drive. I was surprised how quickly you backed off during the final faster flowing section of the road and i disappeared into the sun... Or that I was comfortably tailing you the whole trip when your conversation at our pitstop was about how 'interesting' it was controlling the oversteer tendency of the Porker in the wet. On the worst day, i thin k the RS is going to shine as the best car. On the best day, it's going to be game on.

    There's no doubt the Cayman S is a special car and definitely an investment in driving pleasure. But you may have a challenger for the crown, gents - the TT RS is a whole lot more than you might expect and in the right hands i think you'll find there's nothing in it between the two except personal preference... and a few thousand bucks
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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    Quote Originally Posted by Jester_Fu View Post
    (...excuses, excuxes...)
    There's no doubt the Cayman S is a special car and definitely an investment in driving pleasure. But you may have a challenger for the crown, gents - the TT RS is a whole lot more than you might expect and in the right hands i think you'll find there's nothing in it between the two except personal preference... and a few thousand bucks
    But the question is, what's the point? With many great sportscars around, why drive a tuned up 'cute' hatchback? That's what it is deep down, and that's how it drives too. Like a well sorted hatchback (not as well as a Renault or many of the lively and feelsome hatchbacks), but like a hatchback nonetheless. 59.8% of the weight is on the front wheels. That thing is closely related to the New Beetle...

    Even with less power and torque the (manual) Cayman S is still quicker by the way, Sport Auto drove them around Hockenheim and even though this time the fully kitted out TT RS was much faster than the previous one they tried in the more thorough Supertest with a time of 1.14,3 min (1.15,0 min in the Supertest), the Porsche did a laptime of 1,14.0. And the Lotus Evora with MUCH less power (280ps and 350Nm at 4700rpm) equalled the TT RS's laptime. No doubt it helps that the TT RS has such huge front tires as well (255/30ZR20), and that the Porsche was on Bridgestones. And that the Audi doesn't have to do many laps, cooking its front tires in no time...

    Even if the TT RS may be slightly quicker on more open circuits due to more power, in pretty much all aspects the TT is made up of choices exactly opposite to what a driver's car consists of. Actually it is known through insidericon information that Audi engineers constantly moan about the lack of choices as they are just handed front-drive chassis' and parts available from VW. And they've even had the marketing department demand that they make the RS4 more 'stable'=understeery (so previous Audi owners would feel at home) after they finally got the opportunity to move the engine a few centimeters backward after years of asking for a rear-drive chassis to be able to compete with BMW. Even the 'pretty' interior is very unergonomical, that horribly unpractical flat-bottomed steering wheel with its plastic 'chrome' decorations being the icing on the cake.

    You can probably tell that I can't stand the way that VW operates some if its brands, especially 'marketing-VW' (Audi). It is the antichrist of sportscar spirit. That's why I'm very afraid of what they'll do to Porsche. I'm not optimistic.

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    Re: Gen 2 Cayman S vs Audi TT-RS

    Scott (As for last weekend) Returning up the OPH I was trapped behind a cyclist on the left (damn crazy) I came to a complete halt, although I was thinking of switching lanes, but that would have been dangerous for you behind me.

    I backed off in the dark at the RNP due to kangaroo's & wildlife, in fact even during the day I'm concerned on this road (first section of black top is fantasic), but yere Bi-Xenons on any car are a must for unlit roads! especially when pushing it. It was a $3500 option that I decided to do without as I already have a daily for night duties.

    I think next Saturday I will travel behind you, because I'm always looking in the rear-view mirror & backing off not wanting to open a gap, I am 100% convinced the Cayman S is superior on B-grade roads, I was amazed when Dave in his APR TTS disappeared when the going got a little rough... I think next time we should continue down to Wollembie as it has the complete mix, & hopefully in the dry. The more drives the better

    I love the entire VAG family of cars!
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