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    Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!



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    Re: Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!

    Some say the lines will be based on this beauty:

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    Re: Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!

    Sweet. Alfa's are loads of fun....if a bit plasticky inside. Shame they can't cram a six in....
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    Re: Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!

    Quote Originally Posted by Singletrack View Post
    Shame they can't cram a six in....
    With just 850kg (carbonfibre cockpit with front and rear aluminium sub-frames) who cares about a six-pot?!

    Also, expect Porsche to move very soon to four bangers just like BMW has already done:


    New 2.0 liter TwinPower Turbo 4-cylinder engine

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    Re: Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!

    1,870 lbs? Even Lotus couldn't achieve that with the US version of the Elise, I find it hard to believe Alfa could do it, particularly on a US-spec car that has to meet our federal safety standards. By the time you add big chrome bumpers and a set of 22" spinners this car is going to get heavier.

    Still, should be interesting to see and welcome competition for the Boxster, ala what Jaguaricon is unveiling as well.

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    Re: Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!

    Quote Originally Posted by CaymanPower View Post
    FYI to anyone who gets the impression that the car in the link is the new 4C, it's not. That's the 8C Competizione to which the 4C might bear a family resemblance, that's all. Nobody has images of the 4C yet, just speculation.

    However it's an Alfa so it will, by definition, be beautiful.
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    Re: Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!

    Quote Originally Posted by CaymanPower View Post
    Some say the lines will be based on this beauty:

    I likes this

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    Re: Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!

    Quote Originally Posted by K-Man S View Post
    1,870 lbs? Even Lotus couldn't achieve that with the US version of the Elise, I find it hard to believe Alfa could do it, particularly on a US-spec car that has to meet our federal safety standards.
    Exactly what I was thinking. How can they do a car that light?

    If they can do it, we would need 415 HP in a Cayman to match the HP/weight ratio.

    I will believe it when I see it. For $56,000.

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    Re: Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!

    Quote Originally Posted by CaymanPower View Post
    With just 850kg (carbonfibre cockpit with front and rear aluminium sub-frames) who cares about a six-pot?!

    Also, expect Porsche to move very soon to four bangers just like BMW has already done:


    New 2.0 liter TwinPower Turbo 4-cylinder engine
    I know....but if you've had an Alfa six (been there)....or for that matter, a BMW inline six (been there)...a turbocharged four is not quite the same.

    Would you be happy with the Chevy Volt set up in your Cayman?

    As to the weight....well a Smart ForTwo weighs just 730kg...
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    Re: Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!

    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyJunk View Post
    However it's an Alfa so it will, by definition, be beautiful.
    Yes... but I was referring to the power to weight ratio. With a 1.8L in-line four turbo aluminium engine in the middle (making 250bhp) and a carbonfibre cockpit - carbonfibre definitely would meet your federal safety standards (see F1 cars) - it's quite possible to achieve such a low weight.

    I really wish this was true... simply stunning!

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    Re: Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!

    Quote Originally Posted by Singletrack View Post

    Would you be happy with the Chevy Volt set up in your Cayman?

    As to the weight....well a Smart ForTwo weighs just 730kg...

    We are talking about, allegadly, of a Cayman/Boxster setup with just 850kg and pratically the same power as my Cayman... Would i mind if my engine was traded for a 2.0L turbocharged flat-4 boxer engine (just like Subaru's) in sake of less weight, compactness, lower car's center of mass closer to its geometric center and, ultimately, a better power to weight ratio?

    Well... i'm not even talking of better gas mileage and emissions if direct injection would be also used (which, of course, will be)... would i mind?!

    And i love BMW straight-six's (particularly the N52B30)...

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    Re: Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!

    Quote Originally Posted by Singletrack View Post
    Sweet. Alfa's are loads of fun....if a bit plasticky inside. Shame they can't cram a six in....
    I had an Alfa 147GTA which had their glorious V6 crammed under the hood of their very tiniest car... 250hp FF (about 50hp more than any other FF at the time), AWESOME sound, superbly SEXY bodywork, amazing Brembo brakes, a two tone leather interior almost as nice as a Ferarri's, and an AMAZING special version single-clutch Selespeed transmission that was basically a reworked version of the same Magneti Marelli unit used for the Ferrari F1-gearbox), all for 1/6 the price! I absolutely loved it - something that only the Italians would dare to do! (will try to post pictures later)

    And though I am completely satisfied with my Boxster S PDK, which is leagues ahead of the GTA in speed, steering feel, weight balance, cornering ability, suspension and road feel (and it is also my first open car), to be honest, if they actually build an 850kg 4C that looks remotely like this stunning concept car, I will put a deposit down the first day they allow me to - this is the Alfa I have been waiting YEARS for them to build! Gorgeous, light, fast (and perhaps with good handling for a change!).

    I just need to work a bit harder so that I can hold onto my Boxster too! (The wife is begging me for the new Cayenne Hybrid so I will need to save my pennies to be able to run three cars...)
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    Re: Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!

    Nice looking car. The weight might be possible....but I doubt at a 'reasonable' price point. That being said, smaller and lighter does seem to be the direction of the future.

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    Re: Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!

    Quote Originally Posted by lspain View Post
    Nice looking car. The weight might be possible....but I doubt at a 'reasonable' price point. That being said, smaller and lighter does seem to be the direction of the future.
    Lotus has owned the "smaller and lighter" performance market for some time, but they still haven't a clue how to make a car you can use as a daily driver... The 4C is a radical car for Alfa, something they should have done years ago. Can't wait to see Porsche's new 4 cylinder entry - sure seems like its gonna be a buyer's market!
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    Re: Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!

    Human imagination has no limits. WAW looking car.
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    Re: Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!

    Now that Chrysler is taking charge of things...

    Alfa Romeo has said that the 4C will go into production sometime in the first half of 2012, with European sales to start before summer while Fiat and Chrysler Group CEO, Sergio Marchionne, has revealed that he would also like some examples of the sports car to make their way to North America before the end of 2012.

    We Heard: Changes to Frankfurt-Bound Alfa Romeo 4C Concept Limited to a New Hue - Carscoop




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    Re: Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!

    I don't like. It looks like some sort of alien bug.
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    Re: Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!

    +1 where did the mags come from? As much as I wish the American car companies well, they would have a huge uphill battle convincing the enthusiasts that they have a line up that would compete with the Europeans. Probably better off trying to reach nirvana with a 60mpg sedan, or, a newfangled minivan. Just sayin'.....
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    Re: Tough competition from Alfa Romeo to Boxster at the 2011 Geneva motor show!

    Quote Originally Posted by hack View Post
    +1 where did the mags come from? As much as I wish the American car companies well, they would have a huge uphill battle convincing the enthusiasts that they have a line up that would compete with the Europeans. Probably better off trying to reach nirvana with a 60mpg sedan, or, a newfangled minivan. Just sayin'.....
    You are not seeing the big picture here...


    Italy’s biggest automaker pulled Alfa from the U.S. 14 years ago and hasn’t sold its namesake brand there since 1983, restricting the company’s offerings to luxury models from Ferrari and Maserati.

    Chrysler Trades 35% Stake to Fiat for Cars, Markets (Update2) - Bloomberg
    Fiat had publicly said it wanted a production base in North America for its Alfa Romeo brand--and presumably the Fiat brand, too

    Chrysler And Fiat? - Forbes.com
    Right now, Fiat sells Ferrari and Maserati cars in the U.S., but in tiny numbers. Last year's Maserati sale number was only 2,509, and there are plans to sell a few dozen very expensive Alfa models here in the near future.

    Chrysler And Fiat? - Forbes.com
    Fiat needs a manufacturing base if it intends to reenter the American market. It makes no sense to import small or low-priced cars, or even mid-level cars from Europe, as the strong European currency makes that a money-losing proposition. Most of the successful European imports--Mercedes, BMW and Porsche (other-otc: PSEPF.PK - news - people )--are expensive luxury cars. Both Mercedes and BMW also manufacture in the U.S.

    Chrysler And Fiat? - Forbes.com
    Light trucks, which include pickups and sport-utility vehicles, made up 62 percent of Chrysler’s U.S. sales in 2008, the most among domestic automakers. That left Chrysler at a disadvantage as gasoline soared to a record $4.11 a gallon. Fiat’s strengths include a distribution network in Russia, China and South America and a lineup of small, fuel-efficient cars.

    Chrysler Trades 35% Stake to Fiat for Cars, Markets (Update2) - Bloomberg
    The alliance might help Chrysler if it needs to get more money from the American government in its battle to survive.

    Chrysler And Fiat? - Forbes.com

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