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05-03-2011, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by dabrams  The N54/N55 engines in 1M, 135, 335, etc. have had major reliability issues, I wouldn't own one not under warranty. In less than 3 years, I've had problems with HPFP, injectors, VANOS. The NA BMW straight 6 is reliable, but not the turbos. | The replacement HPFP performed via recall, seem to have drastically improved the fuel pump issues.
No problems with my '09 car, in 2 years. It is a very fast car. More torque than the CS.
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Originally Posted by RogerM The looks are a subjective issue, but you can't escape the fact that the 1M is not more than a souped-up 1-series.
The Cayman on the other hand....
I would seriously advise testing both back-to-back.
And then thinking deeply about it i.e.  | Cayman.... A souped up Boxster with a hardtop.
The 135i is the best small coupe I have owned (including 3 previous M3 models), luxurious, fast, sporty coupe, and my choice over my CS as a daily driver.
That said, the CS is the best looking Porsche made.
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05-04-2011, 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RobMason Cayman.... A souped up Boxster with a hardtop.
The 135i is the best small coupe I have owned (including 3 previous M3 models), luxurious, fast, sporty coupe, and my choice over my CS as a daily driver.
That said, the CS is the best looking Porsche made. |
+1, 135i is a great car, no issues with my 08. I'm looking forward to driving a 1M.... |
05-04-2011, 06:58 AM
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The 135i is fast and powerful but leaves something to be desired in the handling department. I don't miss mine. With that said, however, the 1M should correct the handling deficiencies of the 135i. |
05-04-2011, 10:08 AM
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I found this article on the web and thought it could help a little even if the car at the top of the list is a CR and not a CS. BMW 1M Beats M3 at Hockenheim! - GTSPIRIT.COM |
05-04-2011, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Flat6_Lover | It's also slower than, the PDK and the manual Cayman S at Hockenheim.
Cheers   |  |  |  | | PDK - Porsche Doppelkupplung |  | (FAQ in Process)
Derived from motorsport, PDK, available for the 911 Turbo for the first time, achieves one thing above all else: it provides the perfect balance between uncompromisingly dynamic performance and exceptional levels of comfort. It’s purely about point of view. The driver’s especially.
The optional PDK with both manual and automatic modes enables extremely fast gear changes with no interruption in the power flow. For improved acceleration and significantly lower fuel consumption – without having to dispense with the advantages of an automatic.
The driver experiences a sportier, even more dynamic drive with more agility. Depending on driving style, gear changes range from exceptionally comfortable to exceptionally sporty.
Manual gear changes are performed using the PDK’s ergonomically designed gear lever or the switches on the steering wheel: nudge forwards to change up, pull back to change down. The logic behind the optional three-spoke sports steering wheel with gearshift paddles comes from motorsport: pull to the right to shift up, pull to the left to shift down.
PDK has been specially tuned to the characteristics of the new 911 Turbo models. It has seven gears at its disposal. Gears 1 to 6 have a sports ratio, with the top speed being reached in 6th gear. The 7th gear has a long ratio and helps to reduce fuel consumption even further.
PDK is essentially two half-gearboxes in one and thus requires two clutches – designed as a double wet clutch transmission.
This double clutch provides an alternating, non positive connection between the two half-gearboxes and the engine by means of two separate input shafts (input shaft 1 is nested inside the hollowed-out input shaft 2).
The flow of power from the engine is only ever transmitted through one half-gearbox and one clutch at a time, while the next gear is preselected in the second half-gearbox. During a gear change, therefore, a conventional shift no longer takes place. Instead, one clutch simply opens and the other closes at the same time. Gear changes can therefore take place within milliseconds.
Clutch 1 controls the first half-gearbox, which contains the odd gears (1, 3, 5, 7) and reverse. Clutch 2 controls the second, which contains the even gears (2, 4, 6).
The optional Sport Chrono Package Turbo with dynamic engine mount system provides PDK with two additional functions, ‘Launch Control’ and ‘motorsport-derived gearshift strategy’.
PDK – sporty, comfortable and efficient. Characteristics that have been given some thought elsewhere too: in the specification for the new 911 Turbo models. | |  |  |  |  | |
05-04-2011, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ralarcon It's also slower than, the PDK and the manual Cayman S at Hockenheim.
Cheers | True, but the difference in time is marginal, 0.2 seconds on the PDK and 0.1 seconds on the manual.
Personally, I find it a little too porky for my taste. I prefer the curves of the 987 platform. | | | | | PDK - Porsche Doppelkupplung | | (FAQ in Process)
Derived from motorsport, PDK, available for the 911 Turbo for the first time, achieves one thing above all else: it provides the perfect balance between uncompromisingly dynamic performance and exceptional levels of comfort. It’s purely about point of view. The driver’s especially.
The optional PDK with both manual and automatic modes enables extremely fast gear changes with no interruption in the power flow. For improved acceleration and significantly lower fuel consumption – without having to dispense with the advantages of an automatic.
The driver experiences a sportier, even more dynamic drive with more agility. Depending on driving style, gear changes range from exceptionally comfortable to exceptionally sporty.
Manual gear changes are performed using the PDK’s ergonomically designed gear lever or the switches on the steering wheel: nudge forwards to change up, pull back to change down. The logic behind the optional three-spoke sports steering wheel with gearshift paddles comes from motorsport: pull to the right to shift up, pull to the left to shift down.
PDK has been specially tuned to the characteristics of the new 911 Turbo models. It has seven gears at its disposal. Gears 1 to 6 have a sports ratio, with the top speed being reached in 6th gear. The 7th gear has a long ratio and helps to reduce fuel consumption even further.
PDK is essentially two half-gearboxes in one and thus requires two clutches – designed as a double wet clutch transmission.
This double clutch provides an alternating, non positive connection between the two half-gearboxes and the engine by means of two separate input shafts (input shaft 1 is nested inside the hollowed-out input shaft 2).
The flow of power from the engine is only ever transmitted through one half-gearbox and one clutch at a time, while the next gear is preselected in the second half-gearbox. During a gear change, therefore, a conventional shift no longer takes place. Instead, one clutch simply opens and the other closes at the same time. Gear changes can therefore take place within milliseconds.
Clutch 1 controls the first half-gearbox, which contains the odd gears (1, 3, 5, 7) and reverse. Clutch 2 controls the second, which contains the even gears (2, 4, 6).
The optional Sport Chrono Package Turbo with dynamic engine mount system provides PDK with two additional functions, ‘Launch Control’ and ‘motorsport-derived gearshift strategy’.
PDK – sporty, comfortable and efficient. Characteristics that have been given some thought elsewhere too: in the specification for the new 911 Turbo models. | | | | | | |
05-04-2011, 01:20 PM
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Was at a BMW dealership today. Was told they had 1 allocation for a 1 M, 8 people on the waiting list. This is the only dealership in San Antonio. As a point of reference, they currently have 4 1-series, 122 3-series and 5 M3's in their new car inventory. They said some dealers won't get any.
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05-04-2011, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ralarcon It's also slower than, the PDK and the manual Cayman S at Hockenheim.
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Porsche 987.5 Cayman S PDK...1:13.9
Porsche 987.5 Cayman S MT....1:14.0 BMW M BUS Nº1...................1:14.1
BMW E92 M3 ZCP DCT............1:14.2
Audi TT-RS Coupe..................1:14.3
BMW E92 M3 6MT(Cup+ Tires)..1:14.3
Not bad for a BUS especially if we consider that a simple difference in the tyres brand name can change the time table.  | | | | | PDK - Porsche Doppelkupplung | | (FAQ in Process)
Derived from motorsport, PDK, available for the 911 Turbo for the first time, achieves one thing above all else: it provides the perfect balance between uncompromisingly dynamic performance and exceptional levels of comfort. It’s purely about point of view. The driver’s especially.
The optional PDK with both manual and automatic modes enables extremely fast gear changes with no interruption in the power flow. For improved acceleration and significantly lower fuel consumption – without having to dispense with the advantages of an automatic.
The driver experiences a sportier, even more dynamic drive with more agility. Depending on driving style, gear changes range from exceptionally comfortable to exceptionally sporty.
Manual gear changes are performed using the PDK’s ergonomically designed gear lever or the switches on the steering wheel: nudge forwards to change up, pull back to change down. The logic behind the optional three-spoke sports steering wheel with gearshift paddles comes from motorsport: pull to the right to shift up, pull to the left to shift down.
PDK has been specially tuned to the characteristics of the new 911 Turbo models. It has seven gears at its disposal. Gears 1 to 6 have a sports ratio, with the top speed being reached in 6th gear. The 7th gear has a long ratio and helps to reduce fuel consumption even further.
PDK is essentially two half-gearboxes in one and thus requires two clutches – designed as a double wet clutch transmission.
This double clutch provides an alternating, non positive connection between the two half-gearboxes and the engine by means of two separate input shafts (input shaft 1 is nested inside the hollowed-out input shaft 2).
The flow of power from the engine is only ever transmitted through one half-gearbox and one clutch at a time, while the next gear is preselected in the second half-gearbox. During a gear change, therefore, a conventional shift no longer takes place. Instead, one clutch simply opens and the other closes at the same time. Gear changes can therefore take place within milliseconds.
Clutch 1 controls the first half-gearbox, which contains the odd gears (1, 3, 5, 7) and reverse. Clutch 2 controls the second, which contains the even gears (2, 4, 6).
The optional Sport Chrono Package Turbo with dynamic engine mount system provides PDK with two additional functions, ‘Launch Control’ and ‘motorsport-derived gearshift strategy’.
PDK – sporty, comfortable and efficient. Characteristics that have been given some thought elsewhere too: in the specification for the new 911 Turbo models. | | | | | | |
05-04-2011, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CaymanPower Porsche 987.5 Cayman S PDK...1:13.9
Porsche 987.5 Cayman S MT....1:14.0 BMW M BUS Nº1...................1:14.1
BMW E92 M3 ZCP DCT............1:14.2
Audi TT-RS Coupe..................1:14.3
BMW E92 M3 6MT(Cup+ Tires)..1:14.3
Not bad for a BUS especially if we consider that a simple difference in the tyres brand name can change the time table. | I know, beauty is only skin deep but it still goes all the way down, and yes it still looks like a BUS. 
P.S. I also own a 3 series and I think it looks a lot better than the 1 series.
Cheers | | | | | PDK - Porsche Doppelkupplung | | (FAQ in Process)
Derived from motorsport, PDK, available for the 911 Turbo for the first time, achieves one thing above all else: it provides the perfect balance between uncompromisingly dynamic performance and exceptional levels of comfort. It’s purely about point of view. The driver’s especially.
The optional PDK with both manual and automatic modes enables extremely fast gear changes with no interruption in the power flow. For improved acceleration and significantly lower fuel consumption – without having to dispense with the advantages of an automatic.
The driver experiences a sportier, even more dynamic drive with more agility. Depending on driving style, gear changes range from exceptionally comfortable to exceptionally sporty.
Manual gear changes are performed using the PDK’s ergonomically designed gear lever or the switches on the steering wheel: nudge forwards to change up, pull back to change down. The logic behind the optional three-spoke sports steering wheel with gearshift paddles comes from motorsport: pull to the right to shift up, pull to the left to shift down.
PDK has been specially tuned to the characteristics of the new 911 Turbo models. It has seven gears at its disposal. Gears 1 to 6 have a sports ratio, with the top speed being reached in 6th gear. The 7th gear has a long ratio and helps to reduce fuel consumption even further.
PDK is essentially two half-gearboxes in one and thus requires two clutches – designed as a double wet clutch transmission.
This double clutch provides an alternating, non positive connection between the two half-gearboxes and the engine by means of two separate input shafts (input shaft 1 is nested inside the hollowed-out input shaft 2).
The flow of power from the engine is only ever transmitted through one half-gearbox and one clutch at a time, while the next gear is preselected in the second half-gearbox. During a gear change, therefore, a conventional shift no longer takes place. Instead, one clutch simply opens and the other closes at the same time. Gear changes can therefore take place within milliseconds.
Clutch 1 controls the first half-gearbox, which contains the odd gears (1, 3, 5, 7) and reverse. Clutch 2 controls the second, which contains the even gears (2, 4, 6).
The optional Sport Chrono Package Turbo with dynamic engine mount system provides PDK with two additional functions, ‘Launch Control’ and ‘motorsport-derived gearshift strategy’.
PDK – sporty, comfortable and efficient. Characteristics that have been given some thought elsewhere too: in the specification for the new 911 Turbo models. | | | | | |
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05-05-2011, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ralarcon I know, beauty is only skin deep but it still goes all the way down, and yes it still looks like a BUS.
P.S. I also own a 3 series and I think it looks a lot better than the 1 series.
Cheers | I don't know why you think it looks like a BUS. You can SAY it looks like a bus, but it really doesn't. Here is an HDR shot I took of my 135i. Show me another shot of a BUS, that looks like this car, and perhaps your credibility will rise. 
I do agree the 3 series Coupe looks better, but this car will out perform a 3 series.
The steering and handling is known to be an issue, when on the track, but with non RFT tires, and swapping the front anti sway bar (from an E93 M3), it is plenty sufficient for a road car. Smooth riding, and sporty.
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I just don't understand that high ridge line. I always thought it looked like a boat, not a bus. Maybe it's supposed to evoke the 2002? Ah well, viva la difference eh? Another Bangle original I bet. Supposed to be a hell of a car tho, so there's that  |
05-05-2011, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by aiiee I just don't understand that high ridge line. I always thought it looked like a boat, not a bus. Maybe it's supposed to evoke the 2002? Ah well, viva la difference eh? Another Bangle original I bet. Supposed to be a hell of a car tho, so there's that | +1. Not a looker by any measure, wonder how the new 3-series will turn out (less Banglised and therefore prettier I hope).
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05-06-2011, 02:51 AM
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Forget about the looks... i like it, but the important thing is the less weight and shorter overall dimensions than the 3 series, mainly the wheelbase.
Just add the torquey engine and this is the best M car in a long time... |
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Originally Posted by aiiee I just don't understand that high ridge line. I always thought it looked like a boat, not a bus. Maybe it's supposed to evoke the 2002? Ah well, viva la difference eh? Another Bangle original I bet. Supposed to be a hell of a car tho, so there's that | Side by side picture Cayman R , BMW M1 , need we say more ? AutoBild: BMW 1M vs. Porsche Cayman R
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Originally Posted by ralarcon Side by side picture Cayman R , BMW M1 , need we say more ? | The fact they are comparing the 1M against the Cayman R and not the Cayman S, both of which way above the 1M price tag, says it all... that's right!  |
05-06-2011, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ralarcon Side by side picture Cayman R , BMW M1 , need we say more ? | You don't need to say anything. But you should try to explain why you are comparing a more mass produced front engine, twin turboed, luxury 4/5 passenger coupe, with a mid engine, lower volume 2 passenger, more expensive sports car. They are not the same type of car, but people continue to want to try to make them comparable.
Can you compare a Cayman R, with a Bugatti Veyron. You could but why, need I say more? 
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Originally Posted by ralarcon I know, beauty is only skin deep but it still goes all the way down, and yes it still looks like a BUS.
P.S. I also own a 3 series and I think it looks a lot better than the 1 series.
Cheers | I would recommend new glasses.
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Originally Posted by RobMason I would recommend new glasses. | What's few Diopters more or less amongst friends ?
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