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    Cayman track car. Suggestions?

    New to this forum. I'm a PCA member driving a lot of DEs mostly at VIR with my 07 BoxsterS. My car is unmodified except for DEs I use track tires and Pagid orange pads. As my track experience is growing, the car's safety if I or someone screws up is starting to concern me. The hoops aren't enough.

    As early Caymans will start coming off lease soon, I am thinking of building a track only Cayman. Stripping the car, new 3.8 motor (X51?), lsd, full cage etc. Probably get Farnbacherloles to do it as I am on the east coast. Donor car would be without PASM or Sport Chrono

    Any suggestions on what to do to the car (or not do) ? Keeping it streetable is not important. I know I'll be in GT3 territory ($$$) but there is just something about the mid-engine config...

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    Sounds like fun!! Initial feedback is that you should do the upgrades incrementally. I am not sure I would recommend jumping into the 3.8 immediately, unless you absolutely know you want that level of power. Suggest getting the suspension setup right first, with cup parts and Motons/JRZ. Then do exhaust, headers and chip. If you strip it I think you will find that it has tons of power and you will be equal to track prepped 997 S's and hanging with stock GT3's (depending on driver ability. of course).

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    Quote Originally Posted by joel-cs View Post
    Sounds like fun!! Initial feedback is that you should do the upgrades incrementally. I am not sure I would recommend jumping into the 3.8 immediately, unless you absolutely know you want that level of power. Suggest getting the suspension setup right first, with cup parts and Motons/JRZ. Then do exhaust, headers and chip. If you strip it I think you will find that it has tons of power and you will be equal to track prepped 997 S's and hanging with stock GT3's (depending on driver ability. of course).
    right on.
    do suspension first.
    since you dont care about street use, strip it.
    i wouldnt bother with header and all. just drive it hard, when the motor expires in 2-3 years, stuff a 3.8 in there and you will fly right by my orange pig.

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    I would do the suspension first, including being able to dial in camber, and get race tires and lightweight wheels. Also at the same time while the suspension is going on I would put on new brake pads, SS lines, new brake fluid (this is easy).

    Then I would actually track the car until I felt that the handling was perfect. You may want to, in the mean time, put in race seats and 4 point harnesses inside. Personally I would put in a race steering wheel with no airbag, some pedal covers too.

    If you want to do weight reduction this is up to you but I wouldn't destroy the car too much.

    LAST thing I would do after running the car maybe for a while would be the 3.8 swap and full exhaust, all at once.


    If it was me though I would not buy a Cayman as a track car. I would buy a Lotus or an open wheel car or toy car like a Caterham CSR

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    Ariel Atom is street legal in Italy too

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    Yeah but would you drive an atom on the streets? Not me...

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    Why not? You have to go from house to track, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by meti View Post
    Why not? You have to go from house to track, no?
    Thats not really driving it on the street...

    Anyway I would not want to be hit in an Atom

    Plus bugs in the face, unless you wear a helmet

    Anyway, bad idea imo

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    AFAIK you MUST wear a helmet in Italy..

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    Strip the car completely down to the essentials, put in a 6 point cage, cobra evo seats, harnesses, PFC 01 brake pads, champion RG5 18" wheels, Hoosier R6 tires, Moton suspension, H&R sways and call it a day. It'd probably pretty easy to get the car down to less than 2500#s with little more than elbow grease. You'd be as fast as nearly any street car on the track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RingSport View Post
    Strip the car completely down to the essentials, put in a 6 point cage, cobra evo seats, harnesses, PFC 01 brake pads, champion RG5 18" wheels, Hoosier R6 tires, Moton suspension, H&R sways and call it a day. It'd probably pretty easy to get the car down to less than 2500#s with little more than elbow grease. You'd be as fast as nearly any street car on the track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RingSport View Post
    Strip the car completely down to the essentials, put in a 6 point cage, cobra evo seats, harnesses, PFC 01 brake pads, champion RG5 18" wheels, Hoosier R6 tires, Moton suspension, H&R sways and call it a day. It'd probably pretty easy to get the car down to less than 2500#s with little more than elbow grease. You'd be as fast as nearly any street car on the track.
    no way to 2500 lbs.
    you need a lot of CF/FG panels (door, hood etc) to get there.

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    u may find that u want to race the car rather than just track it. so u need to be cognizant of the rules before u just strip/modify it.

    out here in cali the porsche racing challenge runs pre-89 911s which weigh about 2400lbs and fully comp'd out. these guys routinely blow the DE 997 GT3 drivers away. So maybe look into buying a used fully sorted old 911 so u can actually race rather than stripping a perfectily good road car.

    if u do track the cayman hard u'll need an electric motor for the pwer steering. i've gone through 3. the mantissport pulley prob won't be enough based on my experience.

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    orginal ps pump still on car, 7,50 racing miles on it and pulley.

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    I understand the incremental approach for do-it-yourselfers completely. But if you're willing to send it to Farbacher, then just call Kip and give him a budget to work with. He'll get you as much car as can be had on the track for that dollar. You'll get a car that's pretty well setup out of the box with only minor tweaks needed.

    FWIW, I have a GTR from Farnbacher and it's right around 3000 pounds currently. Farnbacher does have carbon fiber hood (won't save much), doors (yee-ha), and rear decklid (WOW). My car still has a full interior, but GT3 Euro seats and time trial legal roll bar. I'm not sure if 2500 pounds can be had, but pretty close is possible. I am planning to get those carbon fiber parts, but will probably only use them for bigger events (like the Parade autocross next year and perhaps the One Lap).

    I think just basic removal of parts you don't need and upgrading the ones you do need plus swapping what you can swap easily to lightweight stuff plus adding back in track safety gear *might* get you to 2650. If you want 2500 you're going to have to have the car COMPLETELY stripped to the tub and start from scratch building it with only the necessary parts (which gets rid of coatings you don't need, wiring, highly buried accessories, etc). I'm not entirely sure Farnbacher will do that for you...heck, they may not even be willing to put a cage in one. As a factory supported race operation (in addition to their street side), they've been told not to be building any Cayman based race cars. If they do, they're in big trouble...but you're obviously not planning to go racing it for "real", so perhaps they will. At the very least they could do pretty much everything *but* the cage. Not sure where you are, but I know someone fairly near VIR on the NC side that can do an AWESOME job on a cage for you.


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    Suspension setup will cost you much time/gas/as well as tyres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mooty View Post
    no way to 2500 lbs.
    you need a lot of CF/FG panels (door, hood etc) to get there.
    If they're able to get 997 carreras there, I'd imagine it is possible for a Cayman. Keep in mind I'm talking about taking it down to the base, stripping off sound deadening material, all superfolous wiring, etc. A real track car. We were able to get my friend's E46 down to 2800 wet, 2 seats, full motorsport cage, etc. No exotic materials. Hell people are getting 250#s out of Elises. You should be able to at least get that from a Cayman. 50 is just seats, carpet and sound deadening weighs more than you think. Speakers, interior plastics, air con, wheels, exhaust, battery. Even if you just got 300#s you 'd be at roughly 2650 which would be a real treat while keeping the engine relatively stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RingSport View Post
    If they're able to get 997 carreras there, I'd imagine it is possible for a Cayman. Keep in mind I'm talking about taking it down to the base, stripping off sound deadening material, all superfolous wiring, etc. A real track car. We were able to get my friend's E46 down to 2800 wet, 2 seats, full motorsport cage, etc. No exotic materials. Hell people are getting 250#s out of Elises. You should be able to at least get that from a Cayman. 50 is just seats, carpet and sound deadening weighs more than you think. Speakers, interior plastics, air con, wheels, exhaust, battery. Even if you just got 300#s you 'd be at roughly 2650 which would be a real treat while keeping the engine relatively stock.
    yes, if you stripped it and gutted wiring harness, rust proofing AND use CF/FG panels you can get to 2500. cup cars are around 2500.

    but most ppl will not do such extreme stripping.

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    agreed. you will have a very tough time getting that much weight out. the biggest issue is that you are probably NOT starting out with what Porsche calls stock weight. My car weighs in at a porky 3,200 wet and I already have race seats. I am looking to do the same thing as you, but I am not counting on much more than 300#, getting me to 2,900, without body work and harness/wiring. I would love to hear how it goes for you!

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