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the_vetman 07-11-2012 09:47 PM

Re: Rear brakes overheating
 
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Originally Posted by wgn (Post 643895)
greatly increased inside wheelspin exiting corners, but this is something that can be regulated by....ahem....the driver! :eek:


:hilarious:

Just want to mention LSD's as well, but obviously pricey.

suncoastric 07-12-2012 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 2slow2speed (Post 643850)
Check with Suncoast, the 981 comes with rear brake ducts from the factory, the 981's rear suspension seems to be fairly similar to the one on the 987, so maybe it will work on the 987.

My car is currently running the modified 996 Turbo rear ducts, compared to a fellow 987 owner with similar rotors and similar characteristic pads my rear rotors run about 100 degrees F cooler.



We're working on the brake ducts now, the 981 versions will probably need some modifications to fit. We're also looking at the 997.2 ducts, they might be a closer match. Will let you know if we find more information.

Gotsol 07-12-2012 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by suncoastric (Post 643951)
We're working on the brake ducts now, the 981 versions will probably need some modifications to fit. We're also looking at the 997.2 ducts, they might be a closer match. Will let you know if we find more information.

don't leave us hanging long please

lisocayman 07-23-2012 11:56 AM

Re: Rear brakes overheating
 
What are peoples thoughts on just replacing the cracked dust boot versus doing a rebuild? My rear dust boots are cracked to hell but my braking performance is fine i.e. the car doesn't pull at all from side to side and my rear pad wear is low and consistant.

Craig@Rennstore.com 07-23-2012 12:17 PM

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What color are your caliupers? Post a picutre -

lisocayman 07-23-2012 01:00 PM

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Brown/Purple... I know the "best" option is to do a rebuild but the level of effort is much higher. Just trying to weigh my options.

PHB 07-23-2012 08:17 PM

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Come everyone, when is someone going to order 981 rear brake ducts and see if they'll fit the 987?

I also heard that Park Place in Dallas was working on an aftermarket solution for 987 rear brake ducts, and I saw one of their cars with a prototype in place last spring. IIRC, they were modified 997 (from that model, not necessarily part number), heavily modified, and with heat shielding as the were right next to the exhaust pipes and they said they could have problems with the duct melting!

Here's a question: the '12 manual says PSM will turn back on if one of the front wheels is using ABS (SC off) or two front wheels (SC on), but it doesn't mention when it turns back off--when does it turn back off? I know that it does turn back off, as at Barber a few weekends ago I managed to get the R to oversteer with PSM off even though I get deep into the ABS on a turn or two at that track maybe 10 or so seconds before the oversteer point. There was no sign of a PSM intervention which I've seen previously with PSM on-- this usually occurs coming out of a turn under power in reduced traction conditions as I give it too much throttle.

Another question: With PSM off, I got the blinking lit for TC in action, but I've never seen the PSM light (blinking or not) coming out of the same turn with PSM on--how do we know if TC is kicking in with PSM on?

Anyone annoyed with the brake pedal feed back? On more than one occasion I could only tell I was into the ABS from the tire noise--no feeling in the pedal at all. Tire noise does work sometimes, but not at higher speeds when its just too loud.

Off topic, my car shimmy's a lot under heavy braking, and neither me nor anyone else who's been the in the car is entirely sure why. Current guesses are slick track, heavy ABS braking, or a combination of the two.

That being said, a PSDS instructor I rode with had the car moving around under braking as well, but he was a WHOLE lot better at anticipating and correcting the shimmy before it affected the car.

amdeutsch 07-23-2012 08:50 PM

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I also heard that Park Place in Dallas was working on an aftermarket solution for 987 rear brake ducts, and I saw one of their cars with a prototype in place last spring. IIRC, they were modified 997 (from that model, not necessarily part number), heavily modified, and with heat shielding as the were right next to the exhaust pipes and they said they could have problems with the duct melting!...

Just installed those on my car. Sorry, no pics. I'll try to get some when I change out the pads. All one had to do is trim a little bit for the brake cable and then some cable ties (see red in attachment). PN used: 997-331-487-02 & ..-488-02.

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the_vetman 07-24-2012 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by PHB (Post 646984)
Come everyone, when is someone going to order 981 rear brake ducts and see if they'll fit the 987?


Maybe you should?? Just sayin'.


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Originally Posted by PHB (Post 646984)
Off topic, my car shimmy's a lot under heavy braking, and neither me nor anyone else who's been the in the car is entirely sure why.


This is due to LSD, or lack thereof. If your R has stock LSD, it's either gone or is not effective enough. Stock 987 LSDs are known to be crappy. GT3's are better but not by that much. Get Guard LSD and it'll fix your squirreling.

lisocayman 07-24-2012 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lisocayman (Post 646867)
Brown/Purple... I know the "best" option is to do a rebuild but the level of effort is much higher. Just trying to weigh my options.

No thoughts from anyone on complete rebuild versus just replacing the dust boots on the calipers when they crack from over heating?

rubber_ducky 07-24-2012 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by lisocayman (Post 647202)
No thoughts from anyone on complete rebuild versus just replacing the dust boots on the calipers when they crack from over heating?

Mine are cracked as well. I think that if the seals are good, there is no sense in replacing them. And new dust boots will help extend their life.

the_vetman 07-24-2012 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lisocayman (Post 647202)
No thoughts from anyone on complete rebuild versus just replacing the dust boots on the calipers when they crack from over heating?


Well.. I was going to let others chime in. IMO you should try replacing the boots and see how they work. In the worst case scenario... what? Rebuild...

wgn 07-24-2012 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lisocayman (Post 647202)
No thoughts from anyone on complete rebuild versus just replacing the dust boots on the calipers when they crack from over heating?

I just replaced the dust seals, or what was left of them.

mdavis 07-24-2012 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mdavis (Post 643878)
Even with PSM off the "computer" will try to save you from yourself. I drive with PSM Off and my rear calipers are dark red to brown. Last week I added a PSM bypass/Off switch. This should take care of the issue. I will be on the track this weekend to check it out.

The "PSM Bypass/Off" switch really helped keep the rear brakes cooler. At Homestead-Miami it also seemed to really help the car rotate through the corners much better. Will be back at Sebring in a few weeks. I will have a better sense of any improvement in lap times.

lisocayman 07-24-2012 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wgn (Post 647225)
I just replaced the dust seals, or what was left of them.

Wgn any tricks o how to replace them or is it straight forward once the caliper is off?

Thx

bensf 07-24-2012 01:58 PM

Re: Rear brakes overheating
 
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Originally Posted by lisocayman (Post 646830)
What are peoples thoughts on just replacing the cracked dust boot versus doing a rebuild? My rear dust boots are cracked to hell but my braking performance is fine i.e. the car doesn't pull at all from side to side and my rear pad wear is low and consistant.

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Originally Posted by lisocayman (Post 646867)
Brown/Purple... I know the "best" option is to do a rebuild but the level of effort is much higher. Just trying to weigh my options.

I'm in the same boat. I bought a rebuild kit but thinking of just replacing the dust boots.

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Originally Posted by wgn (Post 647225)
I just replaced the dust seals, or what was left of them.

Did you do it or did Scargo replace the dust boots. Emailed them about rebuilding the calipers a week ago but no response.

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Originally Posted by lisocayman (Post 647242)
Wgn any tricks o how to replace them or is it straight forward once the caliper is off?

Thx

I'm wondering if we even need to remove the calipers to change out the boots.

hemisaurus 07-24-2012 02:30 PM

Re: Rear brakes overheating
 
Just saw this thread. I had the same rear brake over heating issues. The cause seemed to be rear wheel spin in the corners. The standard Cayman R LSD does not work to prevent wheel spin. I had the LSD rebuilt to lock up and have solved most of the problem. Let me know if anyone wants more details.

rubber_ducky 07-24-2012 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hemisaurus (Post 647262)
Just saw this thread. I had the same rear brake over heating issues. The cause seemed to be rear wheel spin in the corners. The standard Cayman R LSD does not work to prevent wheel spin. I had the LSD rebuilt to lock up and have solved most of the problem. Let me know if anyone wants more details.

Is your car a 6MT or a PDK? My PDK LSD is being rebuilt now and the shop is seeing some strange stuff. Curious if you saw something similar.

amdeutsch 07-24-2012 03:52 PM

Re: Rear brakes overheating
 
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Originally Posted by rubber_ducky (Post 647284)
My PDK LSD is being rebuilt now and the shop is seeing some strange stuff.

1) Is this shop a Porsche dealer?
2) What are they seeing? Inquiring minds want to know.

Thanks

rubber_ducky 07-24-2012 05:58 PM

Re: Rear brakes overheating
 
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Originally Posted by amdeutsch (Post 647289)
1) Is this shop a Porsche dealer?
2) What are they seeing? Inquiring minds want to know.

Thanks

1)Yes and no. The work is being done by the same folks that do the interseries cars. They are affiliated with a dealer.
2)What they're seeing was described to me as unusual wear. But they admittedly typically work on near-zero mile cars. So my diff might be normal. But they were surprised by what they saw.

My car has <11k miles and 11 DE days on it.


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