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    a plastic piece fall into engine while filling oil

    Help, I was so stupid. I let the oil cap open and try to add some oil, a 1 inch long and 1/4 inch wide plastic piece on the bottol fall into engine through the oil hold.

    what should i do now

    I need any common will be helpful

    thanks
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    Well; I would drain all oil from drain plug; see if object comes out. If its too large and doesn't come out; then I'd remove the filter and see if it comes out there. And if still no, then remove the oil pan and take it out of there... Ideally do all this without running the engine before. But I'm no engine mechanic...
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    I don't know where on the engine the filler tube goes but would remove the covers and find out. Then remove it where it attach's to the engine and check the tube. Hopefully it is in the tube. And check the hole in the engine for it. If it is not there then you will have to take the sump off. The procedure is in the how to install a deeper sump, maybe a good time to do that? Luckily its plastic, but I still would not start the engine.
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    I already ran the engine, nothing happened. is the oil is hot enough to melt the plastic?
    I don't know if it will ruin the engine, since it is steel? else it will caught by the filter.
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    I would remove the oil pan and find the offending piece. Why take the risk of it damaging something?

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    So should I dirve? will it be fine with short distance? so that i can drive to goodyear autoshop.

    wondering how much will it cost, and wondering the job that any autoshop will do.
    people say, it will never be the same once you open it up and put it back in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tian6869 View Post
    So should I dirve? will it be fine with short distance? so that i can drive to goodyear autoshop.

    wondering how much will it cost, and wondering the job that any autoshop will do.
    people say, it will never be the same once you open it up and put it back in.
    i would get it towed to whatever shop to check it out(porsche would probably be your best bet).. you're better safe than sorry!
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    Hello tian6869,

    After the piece of plastic fell into the filler, did you continue to add oil? It would be best if you hadn't however even if you did, the plastic is still most likely residing in the largely horizontal oil filler pipe.

    Remove your engine cover and you can follow the pipe from the filler area to the engine. Remove the pipe and the plastic piece is almost sure to be hung-up in the corrugations.

    If you aren't slightly mechanically inclined and you can answer "no" to my first question, you should feel safe to drive it to a nearby mechanic. Explain to him that you want him to retrieve a plastic tab which is probably located in the horizontal engine oil fill tube; once he has the engine cover off the task at hand will be obvious.

    Hope this helps!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tian6869 View Post
    So should I dirve? will it be fine with short distance? so that i can drive to goodyear autoshop.

    wondering how much will it cost, and wondering the job that any autoshop will do.
    people say, it will never be the same once you open it up and put it back in.
    No, don't take it to the Goodyear autoshop - I doubt anyone there has seen a Cayman with the engine cover off... and what you say about it never being the same would have a very good chance of coming true... you really should call Porsche roadside assistance and have the car taken to a dealer where people who know what they're doing can figure this out. Failing that, have it towed to an independent Porsche shop and have it looked at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tian6869 View Post
    I already ran the engine, nothing happened. is the oil is hot enough to melt the plastic?
    I don't know if it will ruin the engine, since it is steel? else it will caught by the filter.
    thanks
    Why would you run the engine with plastic bits in your oil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kor View Post
    Why would you run the engine with plastic bits in your oil?
    Let's face it, there are some folks who wantonly ascribe to the popular theory: If it ain't broke... break it.


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    Yes the engine is steel and who knows if the oil gets hot enough to melt the plastic....but wither way, anyone should know the clearance between a piston and its shaft is basically zero.....so just imagine what would happen if the plastic piece got into that shaft?

    I am not saying doom and gloom here and I am not even saying the plastic (would get to the piston) is lodged in your block, I am just saying that before I would start a $60,000 car with ANY risk whatsoever, I would call 1-800-PORSCHE and risk a $500 bill to retrieve it. Your insurance will not cover a damaged engine and you can bet Porsche would find the problem if you brought it to the dealership with a "problem."

    SO the answer is simple (for me)......do NOT start it any more. Have it towed!

    NOW..what are you waiting for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARCuhTEK View Post
    Yes the engine is steel and who knows if the oil gets hot enough to melt the plastic....but wither way, anyone should know the clearance between a piston and its shaft is basically zero.....so just imagine what would happen if the plastic piece got into that shaft?

    I am not saying doom and gloom here and I am not even saying the plastic (would get to the piston) is lodged in your block, I am just saying that before I would start a $60,000 car with ANY risk whatsoever, I would call 1-800-PORSCHE and risk a $500 bill to retrieve it. Your insurance will not cover a damaged engine and you can bet Porsche would find the problem if you brought it to the dealership with a "problem."

    SO the answer is simple (for me)......do NOT start it any more. Have it towed!

    NOW..what are you waiting for?


    While the chances this plastic bit would end up in a cylinder are pretty remote - the motor uses a very complicated and sophisticated oiling/lubrication system that employs three separate pumps with quite high pressures, to feed oil directly where it's needed. The more likely scenario is that it will get stuck in the system someplace, or lodge in one of the pumps - either way, you're looking at oil starvation to some section of the motor... so don't start it again, and have it taken to someplace that knows what they're working on.

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    Well I admit do not know anything about the lubrication/oil system. But nonetheless, if I dropped something in the oil filler area, I would freak out and call a tow truck without even thinking. Just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARCuhTEK View Post
    But nonetheless, if I dropped something in the oil filler area, I would freak out and call a tow truck without even thinking. Just me.
    Absolutely agree.

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    may be it is good time upgrade to 3.8L for 3K-5K?
    since they are going to take out the engine anyway

    who should i contact for 3.8L engine swap?

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    The engine doesn't have to be removed just the lower oil pan. Get it towed to the dealer or a good indie and let them sort it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tian6869 View Post
    may be it is good time upgrade to 3.8L for 3K-5K?
    since they are going to take out the engine anyway

    who should i contact for 3.8L engine swap?
    It's probably still in the filler tube - if not, they'll need to drain the oil and take the bottom off the sump, which is under the motor - they don't have to take the motor out... on the other hand, if you want to turn this adventure into a $25-$30k motor swap, then have at it... that's what it's going to cost for a swap...

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    Just because it is a little piece of plastic in a metal engine doesn't mean that it cannot do any harm. Every day I work on huge pumps/motors that cost hundreds of thousands/millions of dollars and a surprising amount of the time, the reason they ended up here is because of little pieces of plastic. A lot of times people leave the plastic hose caps in the system or forget to take a rag out after they were working on it. Sometimes you get a clogged filter, other times you get what is pictured below.

    Have it towed.
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