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The final showdown. Not really... this turbo has a slushbox. Just watch the last one if you don't have time. Thanks to ulysses from bmw-sg forum.

YouTube - GT-R R35 VS 997 TURBO AT TSUKUBA (1)


YouTube - GT-R R35 VS 997 TURBO AT TSUKUBA (2)


YouTube - GT-R R35 VS 997 TURBO AT TSUKUBA (3)


YouTube - GT-R R35 VS 997 TURBO AT TSUKUBA (4)

Translation: "How come I got stuck with an automatic???" and "Where is my GT3 RS?" Anyone else think the 997 Turbo driver was braking too soon when entering the corners? This is a situation where it probably comes down to the individual configuration of each car, the track layout and of course the drivers.

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K-Man S

Well I don't think that this 'race video' was staged and filmed with the possibility that a Porsche had a possibility of winning. I'm sure the GT-R is an awesome machine. But all I can think of when I see it, is why did they make it so UGLY? It's really not even just 'new age' ugly. LOL... It's 'old school' ugly too! It has nothing to do with being Japanese made. Nissan has made beautiful cars before... So what happened?
For me, its like choosing a girl friend. Do I want a GF with great beauty, intelligence, sophistication, along with great style and super personality, and that is also great fun in bed,.. Or do I want some ugly, angry woman, completely without style or good personality, who no one likes,.. but is the best ever in the sack?

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I think the driving was pretty good, its hard to tell on camera sometimes. The GT-R's performance sometimes made the 997 seem like it wasn't being driven hard but then when they took me into the cockpit camera I could tell that the driver was pushing the limits of the tires so...

I think the GT3 would do better for sure in this type of race.

Put German drivers behind the wheel of both cars and I'm sure the results would be different.

they put Walter behind the 997 Turbo wheel in the nuburgring and some japanese guy behind the GTR on a german track and the japanese guy won.

7:35* -- 159.86 km/h -- Nissan GT-R, 473 PS/1724 kg (*mfr. estimation)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h - Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)

I am surprised how much the 997T oversteered.

premature application of throttle? If it were cheaper I guess it'd be the choice for DRIFT KINGS! For Grip use the Cayman. Sorry for the drifter parlance....

Regardless of any excuses, everything I've read about the GT-R indicates that its performance is very, very impressive. They used the 911 Turbo as a benchmark, strived to outdo it, and it appears they were successful (ex. perhaps the styling, which is subjective).

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Since when does a manufacturer's "estimate" count as an Official time? Someone has to DO it and have it recorded by a reliable source to make it an official time. Otherwise I'm going to claim that my Cayman GT runs the same course in 6:12*

(*lunatic's estimate)

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K-Man S

I mentioned that it was a `manufacturer's estimate' because that's what was recorded in the nuburgring time site supercars.net ... make your own judgments. It's not yet official, but there has been independent confirmation hand timed.

The time attack was documented here for a 7:38 time: YouTube - R35 GTR 7:38 Nurburgring lap (www.skylinesaustralia.com)

Since then Nissan has revised it down to 7:35.

The test between a GT3RS, Lambo Superleg and GTR will be available via a Japanese publication called Best Motoring at the end of February.

Slightly OT, but did anyone notice the nav screen in the turbo was much bigger than stock? Was this a non-stock turbo, or one modified with the denison unit?

The Dension doesn't change the screen. Sure you weren't looking at the GT-R's screen. It's really big, and does a lot of neat stuff.

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The Turbo seems to go into the corners faster and get rid of speed well but the GT-R is clearly much more stable at these speeds on this track. Its clearly the faster car here. As Porsche says that the tiptronic is faster than the 6-speed its only fair that they used that version. A bit of a kicking from my point of view. Take price into the equation and it was a trouncing

I do think that the GT2 would be worth seeing going up against it, the fact thats its 3 times the price isn't great but as needs must.

G.

I think Porsche only says the tiptronic is faster in a straight line 0-60 etc because it hooks up better than the 6 speed for launches, but I haven't even seen any independent tests showing the automatic to be better around a track and in corners where the flexibility of a 6 speed is likely to be much better. No doubt on a dollar for dollar basis or performance per dollar the Nissan really delivers...

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I don't think anyone here should get too exited about the performance of the Nissan. I don't think many people will cross-shop the Turbo and GT-R. I don't think many people will cross-shop the GT-R with any other Porsche for that matter. I can at least speak for myself when I say that when I bought my 2.7 no other brand was even on the radar.

Even if it's actually faster than the Turbo, that doesn't take anything away from the Porsche. The Turbo (and the entire 911 line) is actually a compromised design. A rear engine car with a flat six motor is not the fastest way to go around the track.

I think the Nissan looks good. It's not an elegant design but it has a very original style to it. It's almost like it belongs on a Mad Max film set.

You got to give it to Nissan though. They made one hell of a car for well under $100K.

If I want a new car with 911 Turbo performance, Porsche doesn't have a car I can justify. Nissan does.

I know folks who bought a Turbo because they just can't/won't shell out F430 money.

You really have to want a Porsche to buy a Porsche. That is fine with me.

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I'm not sure if my translation is completely accurate, but they mention that the Porsche has normal tires and the GTR had *something* tires. I couldn't understand the *something*, but if they were slicks, then that explains a lot. The Nurburgring times for the GTR were from a car on slicks, and they talk about that in magazines without mentioning that, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did that again for this race.

Here is the GTR's 7:38 Nurburgring run if anyone is interested

YouTube - Nissan GT-R runs a 7:38 at Nurburgring

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the 7:38 time was for slicks