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Old 03-04-2010, 07:11 AM
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Drug Running Cayman - First Ticket

Preface: I am in the process of taking my Cayman from Colorado to New Jersey, just stopping a long the way to visit friends and family.

Cruising in between Terre Haute and Vincenes I was following a new Eclispe 74 in a 55 and had a truck running behind me. Anyways a sheriff popped by going the other direction and the Eclipse slowed to around, and I slowed to match before popping into the fast lane. As soon as I got over I seen the sheriff in my rear view and of course said the nice *expletive deleted* in response. Of course he didn't slow down and proceeded to attempt to bury his headlights in my spoiler. Which in response I sped up to get around the Eclispe and in the slow lane and naturally he swooped over and lighted me.

He pops out and comes up on my passenger side, "Do you know how fast you were going?"

"65?"

"How about before that?"

"You mean when I was following that other car?"

"Yeah, the red one."

I think to myself "D%^K", but instead say "67?"

He just stands up, goes back to his car with my info, and returns 15 seconds later on the other side. "Can you please get out of the car sir?"

"Excuse me?"

"Can you please get out of the car and sit in my car while I take your info?"

"Uhm, that's unusual but ok."

As I am sitting in my car the chaser patrol car's officer gets out and proceeds to walk around my car, sticking his head in my windows while the other guy is giving me the n'th degree.

"Where are you going?" , "Where do you work?", "What do you mean you don't work?", "What did you do for work before you quit?", "How can you afford this car?", "When did you leave Colorado?"

During this time the other guy walks up...

"How much did you pay for that car?"

Of course I didn't tell him. I wasn't being uncooperative but last time I checked this is a traffic stop, do people driving a Camary get the same treatment? Just give me my damn ticket so I can get on with my business. It became obvious that they were trying to develop a case to search my car. I was asked "When did you leave Colorado?" at least five separate times, giving the same answer every time.

Finally ticket in hand the let me out of the Patrol car and say "Where do you put your luggage in that thing?"

"Ohh the front and the back." Excited about talking about the Cayman and not my financial information I explained how the car was mid-engined and it has a boot and a trunk, yadda, yadda, ya...

"I'd like to see that."

"Sure!" I had let my excitement about the car get in the way of common sense and realize it right after saying it. Though having nothing to hide I pop the trunk open, sleeping bag and some other nonsense, close it up and walk around to the front, *pop*, (F me I say to myself), there sits the Cali tags that were on the car when I bought it.

"What are those?"

"License plates." haha, I had to say it.

"For what?"

"This car, bought it in Cali, these were the ones on the car when I bought it."

His eye brows go up, flips the plates over and calls them in... now I am stuck for another 5 minutes while dispatch runs the numbers. Naturally all was clear and I was sent on my way where I promptly sped off. Not learning from my mistakes they quickly catch up with me speeding again and ride next to me until I slow down.

All that being said 60 minutes of my life was stolen because I am young, sometimes sarcastic, can't obey the speed limits, and over suspicious cops in small town American. I think if I was a cop I would be more suspicious of a guy creeping along in an Ols' 88 verse speeding in a flashy sports car.

Just thought I would write up my stupidity combined with their wanton desire to develop some type of probable cause to dry hump my car for drugs. I got off with a 64/55 opposed to the 74 they clocked "me" at. I promptly threw away the Cali plates when I got to my next destination and kicked my feet up with a drink to relay my days exploits.

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Old 03-04-2010, 08:04 AM
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Re: Drug Running Cayman - First Ticket

The older I get, the more I feel less obligation to make small talk with LEOs.

He was obvviously fishing as you stated. Where I am from and where I am going is not necessary information for him to have, nor is my employer, job or financial condition.

I find that LEOs very often use the situation to attempt to gain information that is not germain to the discussion at hand. They know that you are likley to give information in an attempt to look like you are complying and being nice.

This is especially true with the TSA and Customs.

I have no hesitation to say to them when they ask probing questions " I do not belive that this is pertinent information to this conversation".

I usually get some sort of muscle flexing response from them explaining why they have authority over me in the given situation and then they back down because they know I am correct.

I am not a scofflaw nor do I feel that simply because they have a badge that they are entitled to troll for information. Last time I checked, I still have certain rights in this country.

A guilt free concience is the greatest thing you can have in these situations. If I am speeding then give me a ticket, if you want to search my car then bring a warrant.
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Re: Drug Running Cayman - First Ticket

Where did you actually hide the drug?

In the spare tire?
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Re: Drug Running Cayman - First Ticket

god i hate pigs

the whole traffic stop was about your car, not about your offense

its outrageous
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:22 AM
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I have not heard cops refered to as "pigs" in a long long time. I don't know if that attitude is going to get you very far on the side of the highway but to each his own I guess.
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:40 AM
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Re: Drug Running Cayman - First Ticket

Landrovered - You're right, I gave up some information freely because I wanted to seem like I was complying. However when it came to info that I considered overly invasive I made a point not to answer the question at all. Though taking your statement in consideration I believe I will just go that route in the future. Thanks!
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:51 AM
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Re: Drug Running Cayman - First Ticket

You need to assess the situation and not let fear or adrenaline affect your judgement. It is hard but knowing that you can draw the line if you are willing to sit and wait for an hour for the warrant to arrive on nothing but principle then you don't have to answer the questions.

Above all I am respectful, I am also 47 years old and older than 95% of the LEOs that I deal with.

"If you want to search my car you will find nothing but I am not going to allow you to do so without a warrant. This is not because I have anything to hide but becuase I have the right to due process under the law."

They will roll their eyes, re-think the hassle and either call the judge or give you a ticket.
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Old 03-04-2010, 09:00 AM
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Re: Drug Running Cayman - First Ticket

Ah, well. It's not always the "yout" whats gets hassled. I got similar treatment in my other car (a Smart ForTwo), although when he asked "where do you put the luggage" I think he really meant the question.
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Old 03-04-2010, 09:14 AM
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Re: Drug Running Cayman - First Ticket

l just got back from a trip through Indiana, Illinois an Missouri. It appeared that Indiana had solved their unemployment problem quite nicely. After a brief interview with a counseler you get: 'Here's your check and your new radar equipped cruiser. Now get out there and earn your keep.'



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Re: Drug Running Cayman - First Ticket

The best advice I've heard from a lawyer was, "Never answer any questions from a police officer." They are always fishing for something incriminating--and often get it from the dimwitted criminal class. I don't have a problem with them asking those questions, but they know better than you that you don't have to answer them. After they're done with you they sit in their car and write down everything said by you during the stop.
Two things to remember according to the attorney, don't answer questions, in fact answer a question with a question. For example, officer: "Do you know how fast you were going?" You, "How fast did you clock me? (and don't agree or disagree--remember the first rule)"
Second, after the officer has ticketed you don't drive off right away, instead write down everything that was said during the stop. Also weather and traffic conditions and anything else you can think of that might be pertinent. In the event that you fight the ticket you will be at least as well prepared as the officer and you won't have said anything that may be used against you.
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Terre Haute is very close to where I grew up. Sorry you had a bad experience in the Hoosier State, but that could have happened anywhere.
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Can't help but notice your handle, I know the Von Hansteins. Is that your real name?
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Originally Posted by ruwoodbury View Post
The best advice I've heard from a lawyer was, "Never answer any questions from a police officer." They are always fishing for something incriminating--......Two things to remember according to the attorney, don't answer questions, in fact answer a question with a question. .....Second, after the officer has ticketed you don't drive off right away, instead write down everything that was said during the stop. Also weather and traffic conditions and anything else you can think of that might be pertinent. In the event that you fight the ticket you will be at least as well prepared as the officer and you won't have said anything that may be used against you.
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Agree 100%...

I posted this link a couple of years ago but maybe with so many new members I should offer it again.... watch the entire video...

YouTube - The RIGHT Way to Handle a Police Stop

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Re: Drug Running Cayman - First Ticket

Maybe I missed this in the story somewhere but did they ever tell you how fast the clocked you at?
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:32 AM
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Re: Drug Running Cayman - First Ticket

I'm not a lawyer, but at least in CA there are a dozen ways to establish probable cause to search a vehicle especially based on "illegal modifications". I'm a firm believer in doing what is within my rights to not allow them to do so but if they really want to search, they're going to search.
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Exceeding the speed limit is NOT probable cause for a search.
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Exceeding the speed limit is NOT probable cause for a search.
That is correct but playing devils advocate:

1. the driver was acting nervous, evasive and shifty (even if you weren't)
2. there were illegal modifications to the exhaust visible; i was checking to under the hood to see if there were more (good luck explaining to a judge that the engine compartment is not accessible in a CS except thru the rear trunk)

The above are just 2 examples of what 1000's of JDM enthusiasts deal with on a regular basis. This is also one of the reasons I sold my EVO. I got tired of being a target for harassment and revenue generation. A stock car is one less reason for being pulled over and ticketed but it doesn't prevent fabricated probable cause from being used.
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I know how you feel Squirtdirt. I have been harassed by cops many times.
When I would get pulled over I would always be polite and comply with them even though some of them where D*%Ks.
Some cops automatically assume that when they see a young man driving a nice car that he is involved in some type of illegal activity other than speeding.
From my experience this tends to happen more in small towns.
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Re: Drug Running Cayman - First Ticket

Occasionally I'll spot a Cayman (or other Porsche) while on patrol. If traffic permits, I sometimes maneuver to get a closer look. It's likely the drivers of those vehicles suspect I've singled them out for "special" treatment. I've never stopped a Porsche under those circumstances, but I'm often tempted to do so...just to talk about the car. Can't help but wonder how that scenario would play out.

I once saw a nice Cobalt Blue Cayman S parked illegally in a tow zone. I stopped and looked it over. I didn't write it up or call for tow. Driving off, I spied the driver hurrying to the car in my rear view. It brought to mind the thread about parking with the car in sight. I do that, too.

"Pigs"... haven't heard that in quite awhile. I'm dismayed to hear it from a fellow Porsche guy. For what it's worth...I don't hate you.
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Old 03-04-2010, 11:13 AM
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So Dino,

Being a Leo and a Porsche guy, what advice would you give to us?

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