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Old 07-09-2008, 01:46 PM
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Information posted on rennteam forum suggests/confirms PDK for the Cayman and DFI + 25HP for the cayman s and +20 HP for cayman (not DFI..2.9 engine)

Why would the Cayman not get DFI but instead get bump from 2.7 to 2.9? I thought DFI would go across the board?.... just to make all the parts and inventory simpler, if nothing else?
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Old 07-09-2008, 01:54 PM
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Why would the Cayman not get DFI but instead get bump from 2.7 to 2.9? I thought DFI would go across the board?.... just to make all the parts and inventory simpler, if nothing else?
Dont know....
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Is LSD really that big a deal??

I'll be tracking my Cayman S a fair amount, and I'm wondering if anyone has experience driving both the standard, and modified (with LSD) cars on the track. How much difference does it REALLY make?

I'm guessing if you're not a professional driver, trying to trim a few tenths off your time, it's not that great a difference. Or maybe it is.

Whoops - posted in the wrong topic. But any answers would be appreciated.
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As you can see, everything about what the new variant(s) is/are going to get or not get is mere speculation. Everyone has a different story and everyone claims they heard it straight from their dealer. Out of curiosity and for the sake of this thread, I called 3 dealers today and most of them had a different story. None of them heard of any new variants coming out and only one of them indicated that DFI and PDK was going to be in the "facelift" Cayman coming out. I asked this dealer when that might be and he told me he had no idea. If he had to guess it would be MY 2010, but he had no idea. YMMV...

I know we're all excited about what might be coming and I for one look forward to the time that this will be made public; hopefully sooner rather than later. I encourage those that say they know for "fact" something is changing or coming to provide some documentation. No need to fuel the rumor mill, eventually we will find out all the facts.
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Rest assured that DFI will be coming to the CS, there is no way they will let the GT-R/M3 walk around without a slight increase in HP from Porsche.

I know that the two cars are for different people, but marketing is marketing.

As for the release date of the facelifted Cayman, I osted somewhere that it would be out in the March/April 09, which is destined to happen. Just look at how every other company introduces their flagship, with everything else following after 6+ months.
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Rest assured that DFI will be coming to the CS, there is no way they will let the GT-R/M3 walk around without a slight increase in HP from Porsche.

I know that the two cars are for different people, but marketing is marketing.

As for the release date of the facelifted Cayman, I osted somewhere that it would be out in the March/April 09, which is destined to happen. Just look at how every other company introduces their flagship, with everything else following after 6+ months.
I'm not denying that DFI and PDK are going to find themselves in the Cayman at some point, I think Porsche would be stupid to not do that. Will it be introduced along with the facelift? I don't know. It would stand to reason that that would be the case, but I have seen nothing concrete to tell me that. I have also not seen anything concrete as to when this is going to happen so I'm skeptical. Could be 2009, could be 2010, who really knows?

I'm looking forward to when it happens, but in my line of work I deal with hard data and tangibles. I relay on fact only and hearsay does not compute with me so I'll just wait until I see something official from Porsche.
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Originally Posted by TX-KmanS View Post
I relay on fact only and hearsay does not compute with me so I'll just wait until I see something official from Porsche.
That is probably the best.

This is what I've heard:

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By the way, I also heard this:
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Anne,
I'm assuming that the point of sale is for Norway?
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I believe that.... I'm not sure actually.
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Can all you naysayers say Deja vu?

Thanks for confirming my initial post.

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Originally Posted by TX-KmanS View Post
As you can see, everything about what the new variant(s) is/are going to get or not get is mere speculation. Everyone has a different story and everyone claims they heard it straight from their dealer. Out of curiosity and for the sake of this thread, I called 3 dealers today and most of them had a different story. None of them heard of any new variants coming out and only one of them indicated that DFI and PDK was going to be in the "facelift" Cayman coming out. I asked this dealer when that might be and he told me he had no idea. If he had to guess it would be MY 2010, but he had no idea. YMMV...

I know we're all excited about what might be coming and I for one look forward to the time that this will be made public; hopefully sooner rather than later. I encourage those that say they know for "fact" something is changing or coming to provide some documentation. No need to fuel the rumor mill, eventually we will find out all the facts.

Kman, you're correct everything is 'speculation', and if you're the NY Times, you're not going to report on such things. However, one of the nice things about websites like this is they can report all sorts of 'unofficial' things.

To that end, I'll give you 2:1 that the new FL Cayman will be released in early 2009 with DFI and PDK. Additionally, there will be a Cayman RS version (which I'm rumored to be 1st on the list for), released at that time, and available only in orange or green GT3 colors (my dealer stressed this for some reason).

I'm saying this because I heard it from my dealer who just returned from a meeting with Porsche officials. This dealer is one of the largest/best dealerships in the midwest/south, I know them well, and I put a lot of credibility in what they say.

To your point, I'm an engineer also and agree that nothing is 'official' yet. But, logic, speculation, rumour, and all 'unofficial' reports indicate that what I'm saying will happen. At this point, I'd bet on it.
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Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
Can all you naysayers say Deja vu?

Thanks for confirming my initial post.
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Seems you have a good source. Keep us posted. This site can always use a "deepthroat".
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Easy tiger Youre right. The information posted there is not official (i.e its not on the official porsche website!) BUT...it has been posted by members who claim to have insider information. Bear in mind also certain members have consistently been miraculously right about previous predictions and in my opinion what they say or claim is worth reading/posting about. Whether forum readers believe it or not is entirely up to them and most will take the information with a pinch of salt (as i do).

I have been told by a very good source that the Cayman FL with PDK and DFI will be available next march. Others have claimed an offcial unveiling in november though I would put less stock in that. Sources would lead me to believe that a cayman Turbo is definately being developed as well. If I hear more about it I will post more information here.

I would love to attend Crocktoberfest but I live in London and currently have work commitments. Got a place where I can stay?
I have a way of being miraculously right too ya know...

As for Croctoberfest the hotel is the Westin, you can stay there and attend all of the festivities and who knows you just might see some rumors in the flesh so to speak...
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Old 07-13-2008, 04:19 AM
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I have a way of being miraculously right too ya know...
Then post it.....

If you cant (PCNA, upsetting sponsors/porsche overlords etc) then leave it to us and we will post whatever information we have. In that respect it remains merely speculation and no one gets beef.

Like alot of other members im eagerly awaiting the FL Cayman (unless I run into some money and bankrupt myself then maybe a FL GT3). Any leaked info/speculation makes the wait easier
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• New DFI-engine generation for 3,4 l
• New VC+ 2,9 l engine


I find this the most interesting ???
3.4 gets DFI and 2.7 doesn't, but gets 2.9 liter increase (what does VC stand for ?)

The reason I ask...is that there is talk of a completely new engine with the DFI addition.... but it looks like the "Base" Cayman might not only miss-out on DFI but also, all the other bits and pieces described in the engine upgrades for new engine block mentioned below? (seems that DFI would be a top half of the engine block improvement, and the issues mentioned below...would be addressing the bottom half of the engine block?) So if base Cayman didn't get DFI, would they or wouldn't they get the 2009/10 bottom half of the new engine block? ( I apologize if my terminology is wrong- "bottom half/top half" but it seemed like the easiest way to ask the question )

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"The new fix for 2009 due in March...(might be called a 2010 because of timing of reslease date). The chain drive on the tail end of the crankshaft will be gone on the new engine with DFI thus taking care of The rear main seal problem. Weight down, stability up – the engine block - Despite their more sophisticated and complex technology, the new power units are approximately six kilos lighter than before. A two-piece crankcase with integrated crankshaft bearings is perhaps the most significant change in technology, replacing the former four-piece block with its separate crankshaft bearing housing."

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VC is just vario cam isn't it, thats not new tho.
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I'm not denying that DFI and PDK are going to find themselves in the Cayman at some point, I think Porsche would be stupid to not do that. Will it be introduced along with the facelift? I don't know. It would stand to reason that that would be the case, but I have seen nothing concrete to tell me that. I have also not seen anything concrete as to when this is going to happen so I'm skeptical. Could be 2009, could be 2010, who really knows?

I'm looking forward to when it happens, but in my line of work I deal with hard data and tangibles. I relay on fact only and hearsay does not compute with me so I'll just wait until I see something official from Porsche.
Sorry TX-KmanS, I really wanted to include the information to substantiate my claim, but Anne beat me to it.

I was trying to be cautious in releasing info, given the numerous requests that came about from PCNA asking to remove "unreleased" information regarding the 997.
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VC+ = VarioCam Plus, what is on the current engine. As I read it the "base" models of Boxster and Cayman get the same engines they've had plus .2 liters meaning a 2.9L instead of a 2.7L now. That would also seem to indicate that they will have the intermediate shaft and existing oil separators, etc. and not any of the new improvements with the DFI engines which get a new block, do away with the intermediate shaft, etc. The only way to know will be to view the engine itself or to get very detailed specs from Porsche, but on the surface, that is what it looks like to me.

PCNA doesn't have a problem with people talking about future models, what they have a problem with is posting documents from Porsche that are internal documents only as was done in the case of the 997. Test mules have been running around for awhile in public so surely Porsche must expect that "some" information is going to get out about upcoming models. Internal Porsche documents get shared via email, no real way around it. I've had 2 or 3 people offer me Porsche documents about the upcoming Cayman changes and I always tell them that I'm happy to look at them, but that I can't post them on the site or make proclamations as "fact" stating that it came from an internal document, etc. because I value the relationship that I have with Porsche.
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Why would the Cayman not get DFI but instead get bump from 2.7 to 2.9?
Possibly because of the rumored (there we go again) upcoming smaller engine for the Cayman. No need to put development bucks into a engine that will have a short shelf life. Changing the stroke to jump from 2.7 to 2.9 litres is basically a no cost upgrade.
Throwing a turbo on the new smaller engine would provide a hell of a platform for a Cayman RS...

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