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thanks so much for the detailed info .... most interesting update re FL so far ..... I was so close to ordering a 2009 997 but the above changes will seal the deal .... I will wait for the new Cayman S ...... there are attributes to this car the Carrera can't replicate (even though I love both) ....
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• Rear axle-differential-lock (option)
No one else excited about this?
Im no engineer but I read that as an LSD option 
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A limited slip differential (LSD) is a modified or derived type of differential gear arrangement that allows for some difference in rotational velocity of the output shafts, but does not allow the difference in speed to increase beyond a preset amount. In an automobile, such limited slip differentials are sometimes used in place of a standard differential, where they convey certain dynamic advantages, at the expense of greater complexity.
The main advantage of a limited slip differential is found by considering the case of a standard (or "open") differential where one wheel has no contact with the ground at all. In such a case, the contacting wheel will remain stationary, and the non-contacting wheel will rotate freely– the torque transmitted will be equal at both wheels, but will not exceed the threshold of torque needed to move the vehicle, thus the vehicle will remain stationary. In everyday use on typical roads, such a situation is very unlikely, and so a normal differential suffices. For more demanding use however, such as driving off-road, or for high performance vehicles, such a state of affairs is undesirable, and the LSD can be employed to deal with it. By limiting the velocity difference between a pair of driven wheels, useful torque can be transmitted as long as there is some friction available on at least one of the wheels.
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Does anyone besides me see "FL" and think either "Florida" or "Farnbacher-Loles" ?
With regard to the rear axle differential lock, keep in mind that Anne's source is a european spec and a preliminary one at that. No telling how much applies to the US. While I am hopeful that LSD will make it to the US (you could always source the euro part and retrofit) I will believe it when I see it... er drive it...
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A limited slip differential (LSD) is a modified or derived type of differential gear arrangement that allows for some difference in rotational velocity of the output shafts, but does not allow the difference in speed to increase beyond a preset amount. In an automobile, such limited slip differentials are sometimes used in place of a standard differential, where they convey certain dynamic advantages, at the expense of greater complexity.
The main advantage of a limited slip differential is found by considering the case of a standard (or "open") differential where one wheel has no contact with the ground at all. In such a case, the contacting wheel will remain stationary, and the non-contacting wheel will rotate freely– the torque transmitted will be equal at both wheels, but will not exceed the threshold of torque needed to move the vehicle, thus the vehicle will remain stationary. In everyday use on typical roads, such a situation is very unlikely, and so a normal differential suffices. For more demanding use however, such as driving off-road, or for high performance vehicles, such a state of affairs is undesirable, and the LSD can be employed to deal with it. By limiting the velocity difference between a pair of driven wheels, useful torque can be transmitted as long as there is some friction available on at least one of the wheels.
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Does anyone besides me see "FL" and think either "Florida" or "Farnbacher-Loles" ? 
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FL facelift
looks like Porsche is going to destroke the new 3.6 Carrera motor for the CS and just give the 2.7 bigger pistons to ad some power. Would be a shame if the 2.9 does not get DFI.
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Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control. |
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The current 3.4 is simply a destroked 3.6, the 3.8 gets a bore and stroke increase. I didn't check if the 2.9 was bore or stroke that was changed but if the 2.9 does not get DFI as the stats seem to indicate then that might justify the upgrade to the "S" model for many people.
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Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control. |
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Originally Posted by K-Man S
the stats seem to indicate then that might justify the upgrade to the "S" model for many people.
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Yep...it sucks being me
I had it all figured out.. Get the "Base" but wait for all the new engine technology that's coming out on 09/10 model. The base was going to be one heck of a good deal getting 20 extra HP and closing the gap between the current Base and S model.
If the info in this thread is true (anyone want to guess how accurate these stats are? 80%? This is the real thing?)
Now I'm back to wondering what will happen to the 2.9 engine, is it on the way out?
I'd love to have about 275HP for street driving... but I also like the idea of all the new engine upgrades that come with DFI... NOW I HAVE TO SAVE UP ANOTHER $10k to get the "S" and figure out what to do with an extra 50 HP that I don't need  (if I want the newest and most modern in engine design). I tend to keep a car for a long time. Porsche isn't making this easy. I think the base cayman was about to become too good of a deal..so they tossed in this new wrinkle.
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Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control. |
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Originally Posted by Stephen_the_Red
YES - what the frell DOES it mean in this context??? 
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FL in the recent context means FaceLift.
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Originally Posted by TX-KmanS
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Originally Posted by K-Man S
With regard to the rear axle differential lock, keep in mind that Anne's source is a european spec and a preliminary one at that. No telling how much applies to the US. While I am hopeful that LSD will make it to the US (you could always source the euro part and retrofit) I will believe it when I see it... er drive it...
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Since LSD has been confirmed as an option on the 2009 Carrera in the US for the first time in 10 yrs (besides special edition in 2004), I think this bodes well for the Cayman in the US also.
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A limited slip differential (LSD) is a modified or derived type of differential gear arrangement that allows for some difference in rotational velocity of the output shafts, but does not allow the difference in speed to increase beyond a preset amount. In an automobile, such limited slip differentials are sometimes used in place of a standard differential, where they convey certain dynamic advantages, at the expense of greater complexity.
The main advantage of a limited slip differential is found by considering the case of a standard (or "open") differential where one wheel has no contact with the ground at all. In such a case, the contacting wheel will remain stationary, and the non-contacting wheel will rotate freely– the torque transmitted will be equal at both wheels, but will not exceed the threshold of torque needed to move the vehicle, thus the vehicle will remain stationary. In everyday use on typical roads, such a situation is very unlikely, and so a normal differential suffices. For more demanding use however, such as driving off-road, or for high performance vehicles, such a state of affairs is undesirable, and the LSD can be employed to deal with it. By limiting the velocity difference between a pair of driven wheels, useful torque can be transmitted as long as there is some friction available on at least one of the wheels.
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Originally Posted by grant
Since LSD has been confirmed as an option on the 2009 Carrera in the US for the first time in 10 yrs (besides special edition in 2004), I think this bodes well for the Cayman in the US also.
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I am not as frequent a visitor/poster here as I once was, but speculation about upcoming Cayman iterations is as old as the site. The Audi R4 was going to usher in the Cayman RS. How could Porsche allow the competition to gain such an upper hand? This was from "people who where in the know". There was going to be a DSG/PDK within a year of the launch. DFI too. IMO these rumors are propped up by people who want to justify there delayed purchasing decision. Sooner or later there will be a new Cayman, on this I am willing to bet money. When it will appear and what new technology it will have will likely be the subject of rampant speculation until it's "official". Have fun, in the mean time I'm going to go fo a drive in mine.
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Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
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Cayman Arithmetic
Just comparing new versus old and S versus base with following assumptions
Cayman 2.7 power 245 PS 180 kw weight 1300kg
Cayman 2.9 power 265 PS 195 kw weight 1320kg (6speed box standard)
Cayman S power 295 PS 217 kw weight 1350kg (old block 6 speed)
Cayman S power 320 PS 235 kw weight 1346kg (new block 6 speed)
Power to weight base Cayman increase from 138 to 147 (kw/ton) ie 7%
Power to weight Cayman S increase from 161 to 175 (kw/ton) ie 9%
Cayman 2.9 has 92% power to weight of old CayS and 84% of new CayS
Weights should increase slightly with bigger brakes but the bottom line is that performance difference between the base and S increases and the S fuel economy dramatically increases with DFI
Increasing the base 2.7 to 2.9 should increase low down grunt at the expense of increased economy (compared to 2.7 DFI)
Edit: 6 speed with stronger 1 st and 2nd for S?
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DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
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I wonder if the new cars will have braking system changes to eliminate the dreaded "complete loss of brakes on the track," or an improved vapor/oil separator to eliminate the dreaded "blue cloud of smoke on the track"???
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Originally Posted by Fort Felker
I wonder if the new cars will have braking system changes to eliminate the dreaded "complete loss of brakes on the track," or an improved vapor/oil separator to eliminate the dreaded "blue cloud of smoke on the track"???
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DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
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Originally Posted by Fort Felker
I wonder if the new cars will have braking system changes to eliminate the dreaded "complete loss of brakes on the track," or an improved vapor/oil separator to eliminate the dreaded "blue cloud of smoke on the track"???
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Ha ha ha - that's funny about the loss of braking thing - hadn't heard that one...
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Ha ha ha - that's funny about the loss of braking thing - hadn't heard that one...
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Kwaaiman,
The BHP and kW are not identical on your post. The 235kW conversion puts the 09 Cayman S at approximately 315BHP. The BHP number you put up is actually in PS rating. Just a correction for the Cayman engine performance figures. If you go to the Porsche German website, you will notice that all Porsche models are actually rated in PS, thus slight bit lower HP, or BHP, then we are used to.
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Sooner or later there will be a new Cayman, on this I am willing to bet money. When it will appear and what new technology it will have will likely be the subject of rampant speculation until it's "official". Have fun, in the mean time I'm going to go fo a drive in mine.[/QUOTE]
+1. I'm enjoying living in the present with my low-power, non- DFI, 2.7 non-S Cayman. I should probably be too depressed to get out of bed in the morning, but I soldier on just the same!  987f
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Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
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