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Old 07-13-2008, 05:12 PM
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Anne,

thanks so much for the detailed info .... most interesting update re FL so far ..... I was so close to ordering a 2009 997 but the above changes will seal the deal .... I will wait for the new Cayman S ...... there are attributes to this car the Carrera can't replicate (even though I love both) ....

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• Rear axle-differential-lock (option)

No one else excited about this?

Im no engineer but I read that as an LSD option
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Does anyone besides me see "FL" and think either "Florida" or "Farnbacher-Loles" ?

With regard to the rear axle differential lock, keep in mind that Anne's source is a european spec and a preliminary one at that. No telling how much applies to the US. While I am hopeful that LSD will make it to the US (you could always source the euro part and retrofit) I will believe it when I see it... er drive it...
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Does anyone besides me see "FL" and think either "Florida" or "Farnbacher-Loles" ?
YES - what the frell DOES it mean in this context???
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FL facelift

looks like Porsche is going to destroke the new 3.6 Carrera motor for the CS and just give the 2.7 bigger pistons to ad some power. Would be a shame if the 2.9 does not get DFI.
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The current 3.4 is simply a destroked 3.6, the 3.8 gets a bore and stroke increase. I didn't check if the 2.9 was bore or stroke that was changed but if the 2.9 does not get DFI as the stats seem to indicate then that might justify the upgrade to the "S" model for many people.
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Old 07-14-2008, 02:55 PM
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the stats seem to indicate then that might justify the upgrade to the "S" model for many people.
Yep...it sucks being me

I had it all figured out.. Get the "Base" but wait for all the new engine technology that's coming out on 09/10 model. The base was going to be one heck of a good deal getting 20 extra HP and closing the gap between the current Base and S model.

If the info in this thread is true (anyone want to guess how accurate these stats are? 80%? This is the real thing?)

Now I'm back to wondering what will happen to the 2.9 engine, is it on the way out?

I'd love to have about 275HP for street driving... but I also like the idea of all the new engine upgrades that come with DFI... NOW I HAVE TO SAVE UP ANOTHER $10k to get the "S" and figure out what to do with an extra 50 HP that I don't need (if I want the newest and most modern in engine design). I tend to keep a car for a long time. Porsche isn't making this easy. I think the base cayman was about to become too good of a deal..so they tossed in this new wrinkle.

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YES - what the frell DOES it mean in this context???
FL in the recent context means FaceLift.
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Originally Posted by TX-KmanS View Post
FL in the recent context means FaceLift.
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Acronym, for Okay, I Understand.
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With regard to the rear axle differential lock, keep in mind that Anne's source is a european spec and a preliminary one at that. No telling how much applies to the US. While I am hopeful that LSD will make it to the US (you could always source the euro part and retrofit) I will believe it when I see it... er drive it...
Since LSD has been confirmed as an option on the 2009 Carrera in the US for the first time in 10 yrs (besides special edition in 2004), I think this bodes well for the Cayman in the US also.
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Since LSD has been confirmed as an option on the 2009 Carrera in the US for the first time in 10 yrs (besides special edition in 2004), I think this bodes well for the Cayman in the US also.
I concur, I think the odds are is that it will be available but I just didn't want people to assume that to be 100% true since it hasn't been confirmed by Porsche yet.
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I am not as frequent a visitor/poster here as I once was, but speculation about upcoming Cayman iterations is as old as the site. The Audi R4 was going to usher in the Cayman RS. How could Porsche allow the competition to gain such an upper hand? This was from "people who where in the know". There was going to be a DSG/PDK within a year of the launch. DFI too. IMO these rumors are propped up by people who want to justify there delayed purchasing decision. Sooner or later there will be a new Cayman, on this I am willing to bet money. When it will appear and what new technology it will have will likely be the subject of rampant speculation until it's "official". Have fun, in the mean time I'm going to go fo a drive in mine.
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Cayman Arithmetic

Just comparing new versus old and S versus base with following assumptions

Cayman 2.7 power 245 PS 180 kw weight 1300kg
Cayman 2.9 power 265 PS 195 kw weight 1320kg (6speed box standard)
Cayman S power 295 PS 217 kw weight 1350kg (old block 6 speed)
Cayman S power 320 PS 235 kw weight 1346kg (new block 6 speed)

Power to weight base Cayman increase from 138 to 147 (kw/ton) ie 7%

Power to weight Cayman S increase from 161 to 175 (kw/ton) ie 9%
Cayman 2.9 has 92% power to weight of old CayS and 84% of new CayS

Weights should increase slightly with bigger brakes but the bottom line is that performance difference between the base and S increases and the S fuel economy dramatically increases with DFI
Increasing the base 2.7 to 2.9 should increase low down grunt at the expense of increased economy (compared to 2.7 DFI)

Edit: 6 speed with stronger 1 st and 2nd for S?
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I wonder if the new cars will have braking system changes to eliminate the dreaded "complete loss of brakes on the track," or an improved vapor/oil separator to eliminate the dreaded "blue cloud of smoke on the track"???
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I wonder if the new cars will have braking system changes to eliminate the dreaded "complete loss of brakes on the track," or an improved vapor/oil separator to eliminate the dreaded "blue cloud of smoke on the track"???
Given the complete redesign of the DFI engine I suspect a new AOS as well.
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I wonder if the new cars will have braking system changes to eliminate the dreaded "complete loss of brakes on the track," or an improved vapor/oil separator to eliminate the dreaded "blue cloud of smoke on the track"???
Ha ha ha - that's funny about the loss of braking thing - hadn't heard that one...

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Ha ha ha - that's funny about the loss of braking thing - hadn't heard that one...

Huh??
See http://www.planet-9.com/cayman-com...tml#post214790 and the following 200+ posts.
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Originally Posted by Fort Felker View Post
See http://www.planet-9.com/cayman-com...tml#post214790 and the following 200+ posts.
Thanks. Hopefully they've worked that out.
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Kwaaiman,

The BHP and kW are not identical on your post. The 235kW conversion puts the 09 Cayman S at approximately 315BHP. The BHP number you put up is actually in PS rating. Just a correction for the Cayman engine performance figures. If you go to the Porsche German website, you will notice that all Porsche models are actually rated in PS, thus slight bit lower HP, or BHP, then we are used to.

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Sooner or later there will be a new Cayman, on this I am willing to bet money. When it will appear and what new technology it will have will likely be the subject of rampant speculation until it's "official". Have fun, in the mean time I'm going to go fo a drive in mine.[/QUOTE]

+1. I'm enjoying living in the present with my low-power, non-DFI, 2.7 non-S Cayman. I should probably be too depressed to get out of bed in the morning, but I soldier on just the same! 987f
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