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2 more US dealers confirming Spring 09 for next Cayman
I received a mail from my secondary dealer a few weeks ago saying that it would be spring 09 for the next Cayman. Today I spoke to my primary dealer (USA Southeast) who just returned from the launch event in Europe for the 911. He also said that we're looking at next spring for the new model.
And... one more thing - he was extremely positive about the new PDK transmission. Said he got to average over 110 mph (and up to 160mph) with the top down in a new 911 for 3 hours on a cruise around rural Spain in it. Said the launch control was both powerful and smooth.
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My sales person also confirmed that a few weeks back and that it will be a 2010. As far as he know ther will not be a 2009 model year.
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Originally Posted by greycroc
My sales person also confirmed that a few weeks back and that it will be a 2010. As far as he know ther will not be a 2009 model year.
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Has Porsche ever skipped a model year before?
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Yes, they did it with the Cayenne, I think they skipped 07 didn't they? They've also done it with the 911 in the past I think, well at least having shortened runs of a particular model year anyway.
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does this mean supplies for the current model will probably be winding down soon??
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Originally Posted by mrodriguezoasis
does this mean supplies for the current model will probably be winding down soon??
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It doesn't mean anything. All this is speculation and hearsay. I'd suggest speaking to your local dealer to see what they say.
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Correct,
Some dealers are taking deposits for cars they cannot order yet which is fine, but until cars show up in their computer system to actually order the best they have to go on is preliminary allocation numbers which are always subject to change.
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my dealer told me i have a production allocation during september, but can't tell me what model of cayman its going to be, is there any dealer out there that can confirm what kind of cayman porsche will make from now till the spring change over ?
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There will be 2008's built in the fall of this year, fulfilling existing orders and maybe even some build-to-order allocations. (The white Design Editions and the "sport" editions may be part of this run. Don't know; did not ask.) 2009's will begin shipping in Spring 2009, but the Order Guide has not been published yet, so the exact standard features and options are not cast in stone. Dealers can't make firm orders yet, but are certainly taking deposits for production slots.
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Originally Posted by RobMason
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They did for the US version of the 928 in 1992. There are '91 928 S4/GT models, no US spec 1992 928, then the 1993 928 GTS appeared in the states. The rest of the world did see a 1992 GTS though.
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Originally Posted by Stephen_the_Red
2009's will begin shipping in Spring 2009, but the Order Guide has not been published yet, so the exact standard features and options are not cast in stone.
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A model year designation of a US car can only include one January 1 of that model year.
For example, a 2008MY could be sold for the maximum length of time from Jan 2, 2007 to December 31, 2008. A car coming out in spring 2009 would probably be a 2010MY, unless it was meant to be a short run ending at the start of the new year.
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Originally Posted by tach miami
A model year designation of a US car can only include one January 1 of that model year.
For example, a 2008MY could be sold for the maximum length of time from Jan 2, 2007 to December 31, 2008. A car coming out in spring 2009 would probably be a 2010MY, unless it was meant to be a short run ending at the start of the new year.
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2009 model year won't be sitting on the showroom floors in January. My dealer won't be ready to process my 2009 order until late fall at least. Been told I have the #1 slot and will keep folks informed, as permitted by PCNA's NDA and all that good stuff.
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Originally Posted by tach miami
A model year designation of a US car can only include one January 1 of that model year.
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Maybe in principle, but there is no law that states this. The 1995 E36 BMW M3 sold from April 2004 until May of 2006.
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Originally Posted by otisdog
Maybe in principle, but there is no law that states this. The 1995 E36 BMW M3 sold from April 2004 until May of 2006.
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It is the law and refers to manufacturing and delivering the car to the dealers.
It doesn't apply if BMW made too many of that 1995 E36 and they were sitting on the lots for a while. Besides there was a 1996 M3...check with KBB for it's used car value.
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So has it been confirmed that the new Cayman will have the engine improvements ( DFI) and transmission (PDK) introduced with the Carrera? I will be in the market for a new CS around that time and it would be awesome if it did.
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Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control. |
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Originally Posted by tach miami
It is the law and refers to manufacturing and delivering the car to the dealers.
It doesn't apply if BMW made too many of that 1995 E36 and they were sitting on the lots for a while. Besides there was a 1996 M3...check with KBB for it's used car value.
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Okay, let me rephrase that - the 1995 M3 was manufactured from 4/94 to 5/96.
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Originally Posted by Interpol
So has it been confirmed that the new Cayman will have the engine improvements (DFI) and transmission (PDK) introduced with the Carrera? I will be in the market for a new CS around that time and it would be awesome if it did.
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Information posted on rennteam forum suggests/confirms PDK for the Cayman and DFI + 25HP for the cayman s and +20 HP for cayman (not DFI..2.9 engine)
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Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
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Originally Posted by Saracen
Information posted on rennteam forum suggests/confirms PDK for the Cayman and DFI + 25HP for the cayman s and +20 HP for cayman (not DFI..2.9 engine)
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Originally Posted by Saracen
Information posted on rennteam forum suggests/confirms PDK for the Cayman and DFI + 25HP for the cayman s and +20 HP for cayman (not DFI..2.9 engine)
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rennteam can't confirm squat because Porsche hasn't finalized their information yet, all that has been shared has been some variant information and target dates with dealers along with upcoming build slots depending on markets, etc. If you want the accurate info then continue to monitor this site and I'm sure in due time you'll get everything you could want and then some... you could also come to Croctoberfest and talk to Porsche officials in person and get the straight scoop that way too... yet another reason to attend the event...
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Originally Posted by K-Man S
rennteam can't confirm squat because Porsche hasn't finalized their information yet, all that has been shared has been some variant information and target dates with dealers along with upcoming build slots depending on markets, etc. If you want the accurate info then continue to monitor this site and I'm sure in due time you'll get everything you could want and then some... you could also come to Croctoberfest and talk to Porsche officials in person and get the straight scoop that way too... yet another reason to attend the event...
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Easy tiger  Youre right. The information posted there is not official (i.e its not on the official porsche website!) BUT...it has been posted by members who claim to have insider information. Bear in mind also certain members have consistently been miraculously right about previous predictions and in my opinion what they say or claim is worth reading/posting about. Whether forum readers believe it or not is entirely up to them and most will take the information with a pinch of salt (as i do).
I have been told by a very good source that the Cayman FL with PDK and DFI will be available next march. Others have claimed an offcial unveiling in november though I would put less stock in that. Sources would lead me to believe that a cayman Turbo is definately being developed as well. If I hear more about it I will post more information here.
I would love to attend Crocktoberfest but I live in London and currently have work commitments. Got a place where I can stay?
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DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
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