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06-26-2009, 11:03 AM
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Cayman 2008, 9, 10 Choice
This is my first post so please bear with me.
What I am looking for are your individual opinions on the following.
I have found a few new left over 2008 S models that are equipped very close to what I am looking for ( PASM, Sport Seats, etc.).
I have found a few 2009's that are not so close.
I could go to the dealer and spec out a 2010 to exactly what I (think) want.
This car will be my daily driver, no track (I save that for the bikes).
Without considering the price differences, but instead considering real value of the vehicles and relative drivability - what would you choose.
Thank you.
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PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
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This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
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06-26-2009, 02:06 PM
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Re: Cayman 2008, 9, 10 Choice
If price is not an issue it's a no brainer. Spec out a 2010. More power, slightly refines suspension, interior upgrades, exterior upgrades, and better fuel consumption. What's the hold up???
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06-28-2009, 03:41 PM
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Re: Cayman 2008, 9, 10 Choice
Thanks Jman,
Right. As written that is a no brainer, let me try to clarify. I will be buying around the end of the year. All are within budget. The question should have been - Are the stated upgrades on the 2010 worth the possible savings available on the 2008 or 2009 models?
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06-28-2009, 04:42 PM
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Re: Cayman 2008, 9, 10 Choice
I agree, spec out what you want and order it. Sounds like price is a problem or you wouldn't be looking 2 years old
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06-28-2009, 05:00 PM
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Re: Cayman 2008, 9, 10 Choice
Nightster, an automobile purchase (and particularly this automobile) is always an emotional decision. You should make the purchase decision that will give you the most emotional satisfaction because that is why you are buying.
That said, if you are a "value" type of buyer, purchasing the latest model of a new car is likely to result in more depreciation than the "older" model. Pick out "your" personalized Porsche and pay the extra bucks....or pay less money and get the car model that has already made a lot of people on this forum very happy. Both choices are fine....Good Luck!
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06-29-2009, 03:26 AM
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Re: Cayman 2008, 9, 10 Choice
The gen II cars began the 09 model year. There really haven't been any discussed changes between the 09 and 10 cars that I'm aware of. I have a 2010 CS on order and have not heard of any changes. So I think if you can find an 09 sitting around that meets your needs you may be able to negotiate a deal. If you cannot find one to your liking then I think it's worth ordering a 2010 car spec'ed out just the way you like it. Obviously I thought the gen II caymans were worth the extra $ but like others have said the gen I cars are amazing and would now come with a considerable $$ savings. It's up to you. GO and drive them all and see if there the differences are important to you...
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06-29-2009, 03:37 AM
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Re: Cayman 2008, 9, 10 Choice
Got mine on order (and still a long wait ahead): DFI and PDK made the choice for me.
As for less technical things, I found the new look at the front end (with the LED light scheme) just far better than previous crocs.
... BUT I have got this excruciating wait now (124 days and counting)!!!!!
The only doubt I ever had really, was about LSD but, in the end, I decided against it, because I'll never go testing on a race track nor I'll be having fun destroying my rear tyres on muddy country roads.
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LSD - Limited Slip Differential
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A limited slip differential (LSD) is a modified or derived type of differential gear arrangement that allows for some difference in rotational velocity of the output shafts, but does not allow the difference in speed to increase beyond a preset amount. In an automobile, such limited slip differentials are sometimes used in place of a standard differential, where they convey certain dynamic advantages, at the expense of greater complexity.
The main advantage of a limited slip differential is found by considering the case of a standard (or "open") differential where one wheel has no contact with the ground at all. In such a case, the contacting wheel will remain stationary, and the non-contacting wheel will rotate freely– the torque transmitted will be equal at both wheels, but will not exceed the threshold of torque needed to move the vehicle, thus the vehicle will remain stationary. In everyday use on typical roads, such a situation is very unlikely, and so a normal differential suffices. For more demanding use however, such as driving off-road, or for high performance vehicles, such a state of affairs is undesirable, and the LSD can be employed to deal with it. By limiting the velocity difference between a pair of driven wheels, useful torque can be transmitted as long as there is some friction available on at least one of the wheels.
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DFI
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Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control. |
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06-29-2009, 06:37 AM
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Re: Cayman 2008, 9, 10 Choice
Originally Posted by Nightster
...All are within budget.
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2010 CS  ...
Here's a recent thread with a chap facing a similar kind of dilemma.
http://www.planet-9.com/showthread.php?t=33907
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06-29-2009, 10:44 AM
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Re: Cayman 2008, 9, 10 Choice
The opinions already presented are correct (IMO). If it were me and money was no problem, I'd spec out a '10. Having her custom made and being the first owner... To me, that's worth some cash!
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06-29-2009, 10:45 PM
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Re: Cayman 2008, 9, 10 Choice
The hardest decision to make is making a decision. The more options available to you only make it harder to reach the right decision. I spent sleepless nights over my buying decision so you have my sympathy. I guarantee you this...whichever you decide to gio for yiou will not be disappointed. With no issues about budget then it's a question of whether you can wait for the delivery of a 2010 car spec'd as you want?
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06-29-2009, 11:41 PM
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Re: Cayman 2008, 9, 10 Choice
I agree with the comment about this being somewhat of an emotional decision. Sometimes finding the right car, at the right time is better than trying to decide on the "right" one to order. Least in my case, I've never been really happy with the cars I ordered....what I thought I would like is never as good as I had thought. The ones I keep are the ones that winked at me when I walked past them... 
But the 2010 is really a nice upgrade and might just be worth waiting for!
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