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Old 02-04-2012, 01:53 PM
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Bimmer Guy Looking at a 987...

Hi everyone

Currently I own a Z4 coupe which duals as my weekend/track car but for a while now I've wanted to add a P-car to my modest collection of toys. However, I decided if I'm going to have another 2-seater, at very least I'd want a convertible this time. Thus, I've been eyeing used 05 Boxsters and had some prelim questions and was hoping owners/enthusiasts could give me some insight.

1. How is the tiptronic? I realize it's no dual clutch but how fast are the shifts? My first VW also had a tiptronic and to be honest I wasn't fond of the shift lag (Giac offered a "tip chip" but it was marginally better). Have things have gotten better since?

2. Can the Boxster in stock form find itself on the track, from a roll bar perspective? I know NASA allows S2k's to get on track w/o the need for an aftermarket roll bar. Anyone here run with NASA or PCA?

3. Is there a significant difference in maintenance costs between a base and S model?

4. Are there any factory 'must' options/packages that I should be looking for?

5. How durable are the soft tops (leaking issues, motor, etc.)?

Apologies if these are typical newb questions that have been beaten to death. I know some might be wondering if I plan on taking it to the track, why would I even consider an auto. Truth is I think my Bimmer would still see more track time whereas the Boxster would be reserved more for the weekends but we all know it's just a matter of time before you get the itch =)

Just for kicks, hope you guys don't mind but my Z4...




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Old 02-04-2012, 02:29 PM
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Re: Bimmer Guy Looking at a 986...

Welcome. As a dyed-in-the-wool BMW guy myself (3 M3s, a 330 ZHP, a 335, a 535xiT 6M, etc), I'll just say that you will not regret buying a Porsche. Actually, you may regret the time you wasted before buying a Porsche, but you won't be disappointed.

A couple of thoughts on your post:

-If you are looking at '05s, you are actually looking at 987s, not 986s. The first year of the 987 was 2005, bringing with the 987S a slight bump in power over the 986S (to 280). The engine remained a 3.2L, and would stay a 3.2L in 2006; in 2007, the 3.4L from the Cayman S was fitted to the Boxster S, giving 295 hp (IIRC).

-One issue you'll want to think about is the possibility of intermediate shaft (IMS) failure. This is a valvetrain component that runs underneath the engine; failure = new motor = not cheap. If you search for this, you will find A LOT written about it, but the bottom line is that some unknown percentage of these engines experience a catastrophic and expensive failure, and there is no guaranteed maintenance procedure to prevent it or inspection that will pick up an impending failure.

-I won't try and summarize the various theories and remediation attempts here. Suffice to say that in my reading, as best as I could tell, the 986s were all vulnerable to this (though, interestingly, apparently the earlier 986s were less susceptible). The Boxster Ss after 2007 and all Cayman Ss (i.e., cars with the 3.4L engine) do not seem to be, or at least do not seem to be anywhere near as vulnerable. There is some suggestion that a running change was made to the 3.2L engines in the middle of model year 2006, such that the later 2006s (with the 3.2) are also not as vulnerable. No one has been able to absolutely confirm this, AFAIK. I ended up buying a late-build '06 because I found the right car and I persuaded myself that it was better than an '05, but I consciously avoided '05s for the reason above. Am I fooling myself? Maybe.

-The 987 Boxster can go onto the track at PCA DEs without extra roll protection, so long as the driver's head is under a line drawn from the roll bar to the windshield header. I've tracked my car a number of times without a problem.

-Even the 3.2L S is enormously capable on the track. It's really quite a fast car; you can be lulled into thinking that the older, smaller engined, entry level Porsche S isn't as capable as some of the newer cars, and that's true to an extent, but the differences are a lot smaller than you might think.

-One thing that will probably astonish you coming from the BMW is just how good the brakes are. I was in a run group with a guy in a turbo Z4, and he was pretty quick...but he had to pit every so often to let his brakes cool. Even before I switched to Pagids for track duty, my car had no such issues.

-The Tiptronic is garbage (IMHO). Well, that's a bit harsh, maybe, but in the cars you're looking at, it's just a torque converter automatic, not a DSG; that came later. If it is at all possible for you, the stick is the much, much, much better choice. One of the most brilliant things about my car is the clutch take-up and throttle feel. It's so much better than even the best BMWs that I've driven that it's not even worth making the comparison. You would hate to miss that.

-There is essentially no difference in maintenance costs between the S and the non-S. The brake pads/rotors are a bit bigger (and thus more expensive) in the S, but that's negligible.

EDIT: When you get a PPI on a car that you are looking at, make sure to have the DME dumped and check for over-revs.

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Old 02-04-2012, 02:46 PM
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Re: Bimmer Guy Looking at a 986...

Thanks for the thorough response. I'm somewhat familiar with the IMS issue which is why I'm looking at an 05 over 06 since I can still perform the LN upgrade. I guess I'll start looking at manuals if the tip really is that 'garbage' lol.

And you are right about the brakes on the Bimmer, which is why I swap out for PFC-06's for track days. That plus Motul 600 and have yet to fade them but I've always been jealous of Porsche's awesome brakes in stock form.

And thanks on the correction of 986 vs 987
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:35 PM
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Re: Bimmer Guy Looking at a 987...

I'm a BMW guy too. Had 3 of them including two M3's an E46 and my current E90 M3 sedan.

Just sold my Porsche 996c4s and i'm currently buying a CS.

If you plan on tracking the car go with a manual trans.

Good luck in your search, there are plenty of 05 Boxster S' available for great prices
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Re: Bimmer Guy Looking at a 987...

I would go with an S to get the extra HP and improved suspension. I would also suggest considering an MT and or waiting and buying a PDK. Tiptronic on the track usually isn't as desirable as it doesn't have the quick shifting capability.
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