Planet 9

I think all those Hyundai Tiburon or Mitsubishi Eclipse Prospective owners should take a look at this car .I am leaning toward a Modified twin turbo Tiburon with 22" Chrome Spinner Wheels at the moment .I should be Quiet I just Bought a 2009 Murano 2 days ago and totally Love it .. .My last post in this thread today I promise

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2007 2.7 Liter Sports Chrono SRP 4.1 Flash Remus Exhaust H&R springs 19" Gt-5 wheels de-snorked K&N air filter RS-60 style dash Infinity Basslink Subwoofer Motor Lux CF side vents and rear diffueser NR Auto Gt-3 style front bumper and GT-Rear wing Outlaw Crest

+1. My BMW K75 S has
been relegated to the garage it shares with the VW Eurovan and Cabriolet.

I'm glad they're adding lightness. Every car manufacturer should start reaping the benefits of their cars losing weight but as others have mentioned I don't like nissan's styling. Have you seen the murano? I am on the list for a GTR though, if it really is that good I'll get past the looks!

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2008 Cayman S, Black, Floormats

The world Is still marveling at the Murano's Styling and best in Saftey rating of ANYTHING our bootys can sit in for your Info.Hey I am over 45 and Under 47 and My girlfriend is ...lets just say MUCH younger than me. Got to Protect my Investment and She Looks like a Million Bucks driving it .. Black on Black Murano with that bright Blonde hair and a Navigation so she cant get lost !! what more could a man ask for . Did You just say that Murano Comment Just to Bust my Chops? I asked the Nissan Dealer If I could put a deposit on a GTR (In hopes of selling for more $$ only) But they wanted 15K Over Retail .they said I could have it in 4 to 6 months . I passed on it the Hype might wear off and I would have egg yolk on my face ..

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2007 2.7 Liter Sports Chrono SRP 4.1 Flash Remus Exhaust H&R springs 19" Gt-5 wheels de-snorked K&N air filter RS-60 style dash Infinity Basslink Subwoofer Motor Lux CF side vents and rear diffueser NR Auto Gt-3 style front bumper and GT-Rear wing Outlaw Crest

15k over retail is not worth it, after you throw in the tax it would be impossible to make a profit on that car. but at msrp I think that car will surpass the hype.

and you lied about no more posts in this thread, someone alert a moderator

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Thank you to the old people who put no miles on their porsches and trade them in.

Didn't mean it as an insult Prodgers. I was blissfully unaware of your girlfriend's choice of ride. I just think the Rogue, Murano lines are ridiculous in looks and function. To each their own and certainly mean no harm just not a fan. I'm of the camp if you need an suv get an suv if you don't get a car or wagon. Glad she's happy with her choice though, that's all that matters. I told the local dealer, who is sitting on 6 more allocations of the GTR btw, that when they don't sell at their huge mark up to give me a call and give me their first spot at msrp which is like a year and a half away. We'll see, I may end up paying a little over if I like it when I drive it. How do you like the Nissan dealer experience. Any issues?

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2008 Cayman S, Black, Floormats

I don't think it's all that ugly... then again I haven't seen the interior yet. Great price positioning, they'll sell a bunch of them. That's one reason I never had any interest in owning one, too many on the road. I've always found the Z line interesting and I've followed it's evolution ever since my girlfriend bought a 260Z back in the early 80s. You gotta admit the Z has legs - been around a long time and there's alot to be said for that. I just hope they haven't screwed up the exhaust note. The Z/G35 has always been one of the sweetest tunes on the road IMHO.

Why would anyone ever consider a Z car as competition for a Cayman? They are in two entirely different leagues, different price points, etc. etc. etc.

That's not being elitist either, I bought an original new 240Z back in 71 when they first came out. That was a sportscar. Ever since then they just kept bloating the thing up bigger and bigger into a GT. 260Z, 280Z 300Z 350Z, I think they are going to run out of numbers.

There is no comparison ... err substitute.

I don't understand these comments. It's a 2 door 2 seat car that weighs about the same as the Cayman with more power in this next evolution. What am I missing? Why is this a GT and a Cayman a sports car? Coming from an Elise those message boards are filled with Porsches are gts not sports cars etc. What exactly is considered a sports car these days? Is a 599 a sports car, a 430, an elise, a miata, an slk?

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2008 Cayman S, Black, Floormats

Yes, Loti definitely sportscars. The 240Z was small, light, and it seems to me Zs keep getting bigger and bigger. My point is more related to:

1. One is a Nissan, the other a Porsche. There is a difference that is not marketing but reality.
2. Two entirely different price points, two different target markets, different demographics for buyers.

IMO, I doubt many new car consumers cross shop Porsches and Nissans. That is not meant as being snobbish but rather a reflection of the target audiences. I find these "comparison" threads strange. They are not even close to the same price targets or demographic targets.

Look at it this way. You see two new cars at your neighbors. One is a Porsche, the other a Nissan. Which one do you want to go see first?

The more I think about this, I'm probably not saying this right. The OP asked if the 370Z was competition for the Cayman S. I just don't see it. Totally different market audience. Different price points, different reasons that the demographics buy these cars. Totally different audience. I just dont see potential new car CS buyers looking at buying Z cars but hey, who knows, everyone has different reasons for buying cars.

chows4us, at what point after a new Nissan 370Z passes your *** on a track, do you actually get a clue that Nissan is making some very good GT/sports cars now? To dismiss this car out of hand becuz you, once upon a time, owned a Nissan 240Z back in the stone age, is very short sighted. How many people here tried to dis the new GT-R, only to find themselves having to eat their words and feel very badly informed?

I don't know if this new Nissan is a track rocket or not. But to try and dismiss this new car out of hand, does not serve anyone very well. The Nissan GT-R looks to be a better track car, performance wise, (completely stock), than any Porsche ever made for public sale.. at less than 1/2 the price! I'm keeping my ears turned to both Japan and Germany from now on.

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I'm sure that since Nissan used the Cayman S as a benchmark, the 370Z will either hit its mark or maybe even slightly exceed it (based on the 06-08 CS). I think it will be a great performing car. As for the looks...I'll have to wait to see one in person. When it comes to aesthetics, it is hard to beat the CS. Obviously the 370Z will have less cachet then the CS.

It will certainly be interesting to see how the new 2009 370Z measures up to the 2009 CS - no doubt there will be comparison tests.

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2006 Cayman S
Black/Sand Beige, Tiptronic, Clear Side Markers, Auto A/C,
Colored Wheel Crests, Sycamore shift knob, Sycamore e-brake.
1973 Datsun 240Z
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/838926 240Z
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2668635 Cayman S

Let's not forget the 100k price tag!
Can we stick to cars and forget about the trucks?

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If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, maybe you just don't understand the situation.

Maybe I'm not saying this the right way. It doesn't matter if its the 370Z or the 335i or the next gee whiz car coming out of wherever. Pick any one of the latest "competition"

If 99% of the readers of the thread think the gee whiz car is competition for Porsche and 1% do not, so what? Are the 99% of the owners going to sell their Porsche and go buy the latest gee whiz car? What does it mean to PAG? Does PAG care? Curious as to answers. ????? I hate bringing up the "Will this force Porsche's Hand" old line but will it?

Just curious what both of you consider as competition for the Cayman S (name some cars). Do you base your comparison on street use . . . fit, finish, practicality, handling, demographics of the potential purchaser, etc. Or do you base your consideration on track use, with hp., braking, acceleration, handling and durability, etc.

I think that the two of you make good points and are coming from two very different perspectives (I could be wrong) of what you are looking for in a car.

When I was shopping for a car it came down to a choice between the Cayman S and the Lotus Elise super charged. I wanted a 2 seat mid engine sport car that was light weight, had great handling and was fun to drive. I may never have my car on a racetrack. The CS was the more practicle of the two and that is what I choose. I might get a Lotus Elise next year and have both cars. I'm retired, have a Mercedes Benz with low mileage and really didn't need a second car. I just wanted a sport car.

BTW both the CS and the Elise are in the same price range. So of course price will be a factor.

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If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, maybe you just don't understand the situation.

Me personally, I was ready to buy a G35. As indecisive as I am I have put off buying a car for a year. but i love the Cayman the style the power the whole package. what does it say if i am going from an H2 Hummer to the cayman?

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No it won't (force Porsches hand). They've already decided that there's more money to be made in China and other markets because of the decline of the dollar and will not be sending as many cars to the USA for the 2009 model year. We make up 5% of the world population and there are other markets with vastly larger populations that have expanding economies where they can sell their cars.

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If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, maybe you just don't understand the situation.

I'm sure these are the same people who think frogs are sexy



I dont think so, and even if that were true, a Cayenne turbo S is in the works, with 550bph!

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"Sir! We're surrounded!" - "Excellent! We can shoot in any direction!"

A good car will get you from point A to point B. A great car... will just get you into trouble!

Not to be ignorant, but your comments remind me of what executives at Cadillac were saying in the 70's and 80's. And then came the rebadged Cavalier errr Cimarron. It has taken them the better part of 2 decades to reclaim part of their image, they are still fighting hard to claim the rest of it.

I know that PAG not only cares, but will respond, based on public comments made by company representatives. They are on record multiple times in regards to the GT-R... They will respond in the Porsche way...continued evolution of existing models.

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'07 CS, '07 335i

So the question was brought up, "Is the 370Z competition for the Cayman"?

I say hell yes. Any lightweight (<3k lbs), rwd, 2 seat or 2+2 car offered with a manual is competition to the Cayman. It could cost $15k or $150k and they would compete. Now someone may have $150k budgeted for his next sportscar. Would he be foolish to overlook the S2k, Z4, CS, 911(yes, it is over 3k lbs), Elise or even Vette? The more likely scenario is that his budget is $15k and he will have far less choice.

I also agree that there is more than pure performance numbers (or we'd all be driving Z06s. You pay a little extra for exclusivity, free water at the dealer & the comforting feeling that comes with owning a precision device constructed in Deutschland.

Now would "I" buy a 370Z? Probably not, based purely on the fact that I do not like seeing my car on the road at every stoplight.

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2008 xB
2005 Tacoma