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06-11-2008, 04:23 AM
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GT3, 997 turbo or Cayman S?
Guess who's been lucky enough to try this comparo?
So I drove an 08 GT3 Clubsport. Then I drove an 07 997 turbo Tip.
These cars are awesome! Now here's my subjective wrap up, if anyone cares...
I loved the GT3. Loved it! Mainly because it was so tight and felt like the street-fighter race car that it certainly is. It lacks the finesse of the turbo and the confident compliance of the Cayman S, but that's what drew me to the conclusion. (I'm a grunt-fuelled street racer from way back, and this is the ultimate street racer to me)
The turbo? Breathtaking! The performance is so good, it's almost unnecessary (if that makes sense?) It is much softer than the GT3. It has the appointments and the feeling of being the flagship. And so it should.
BUT, to summarise, the Cayman S holds its own through the whole comparison. IMO, the Cayman S is the perfect blend of all three. I'm not just saying that for love, it really does tick all the boxes for me. I would rank them as follows:
1: GT3 CS. I love it, hands down. (But I would hate to use it in traffic)
2: Cayman S. Some 911 lovers would be shocked at this, but it has the right blend of power, performance and handling for my needs.
3: 997 turbo. Can't complain about anything, but the power is useless for daily driving (in a good way) but the price, especially here in Oz, is what would put me off. ($350-$400k on road - and the Australian dollar is almost equal to the $US)
Anyone else had similar feelings? (Not that I'm in the market for a turbo  )
Sorry if this should be in "Cayman Comparisons" forum, but I didn't compare with other brands, just other models. If you want to move, that's cool.
Last edited by CAGT; 06-11-2008 at 04:36 AM.
Reason: Wanted to explain why it's not in "Cayman Comparison" forum
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06-11-2008, 07:07 AM
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06-11-2008, 07:31 AM
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uhhh...wow. No question about it....i would get the GT3.
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06-11-2008, 07:49 AM
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if i were offered any of the three cars as a present then i'd pick the turbo, why not, its a super car, and a car that one can use everyday.
if its my own money then... i'd probably pick the turbo again, since it more useful more of the time, with the extra seats.
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06-11-2008, 08:06 AM
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If you want the best car straight off of the showroom floor,.. choose the GT3 if you also track your car, .. or the TT, if you street race mostly.
However, if you want the BEST all around track car or street racer, ( and you also wish to throw the GT-R into the comparision mix),.. but you are also willing to have the car modified slightly ( and risk Porsche warranties).. then choose the Cayman S platform, and install either the turbo or supercharger kits, improve the brakes and suspension, and add LSD and the new Italian hi performance oil tank/ separator kit,.. and you will beat all of the others easily, and have the best handling, the most powerful (power to weight), and most beautiful car as well. All for about $85,000 USD 
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A limited slip differential (LSD) is a modified or derived type of differential gear arrangement that allows for some difference in rotational velocity of the output shafts, but does not allow the difference in speed to increase beyond a preset amount. In an automobile, such limited slip differentials are sometimes used in place of a standard differential, where they convey certain dynamic advantages, at the expense of greater complexity.
The main advantage of a limited slip differential is found by considering the case of a standard (or "open") differential where one wheel has no contact with the ground at all. In such a case, the contacting wheel will remain stationary, and the non-contacting wheel will rotate freely– the torque transmitted will be equal at both wheels, but will not exceed the threshold of torque needed to move the vehicle, thus the vehicle will remain stationary. In everyday use on typical roads, such a situation is very unlikely, and so a normal differential suffices. For more demanding use however, such as driving off-road, or for high performance vehicles, such a state of affairs is undesirable, and the LSD can be employed to deal with it. By limiting the velocity difference between a pair of driven wheels, useful torque can be transmitted as long as there is some friction available on at least one of the wheels.
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06-11-2008, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bodhii
.. then choose the Cayman S platform, and install either the turbo or supercharger kits, improve the brakes and suspension, and add the new Italian hi performance oil tank/ separator kit,.. and you will beat all of the others easily, and have the best handling, the most powerful (power to weight), and most beautiful car as well, all for about $85,000 USD 
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 What is "the new Italian hi performance oil tank/ separator kit"? any info would be appeciated; Where to get it?
Thanks
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06-11-2008, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by jaica
 What is "the new Italian hi performance oil tank/ separator kit"? any info would be appeciated; Where to get it?
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+1, I haven't heard about this either and am curious.
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06-11-2008, 08:51 AM
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jaica, lets not hijack the original thread. I dropped the info as a small tease. My bad. More info on this "no more smoke" race proven kit in a couple of days, or maybe earlier.
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06-11-2008, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bodhii
jaica, lets not hijack the original thread. I dropped the info as a small tease. My bad. More info on this "no more smoke" race proven kit in a couple of days, or maybe earlier.
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Arrrgghh!!!! Ya big tease!     I wanna know NOW!
It's too late, I think you can consider this thread officially hijacked. After dropping a bombshell like that, no one is going to be able to concentrate on the original topic.
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06-11-2008, 11:20 AM
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BillC,.. Sorry my bad in dropping the hint. The Italian shop owner just left for the weekend for another race, so I can't give more details until next Monday, Italian time. This is the same Italian tuner shop that has been servicing ALL of the Cayman Cup cars the last two years. These people seem to be very responsible, indeed. The owner tells me that they have perfected a kit with a "modified oil tank and an additional oil separator", that results in full oil supply, and "without any smoke during race track driving conditions". The cost is considerably less than the $3000.00 USD for the Porsche Motorsport solution. We are waiting for some photos and a rough description on the time and difficulty of the install.
I am awaiting my own kit now and will report ASAP on it's results. Ken is also now connected to them, and will figure out the best way to make the kit available to all, once everyone is on the same page.
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06-11-2008, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bodhii
BillC,.. Sorry my bad in dropping the hint. The Italian shop owner just left for the weekend for another race, so I can't give more details until next Monday, Italian time. This is the same Italian tuner shop that has been servicing ALL of the Cayman Cup cars the last two years. These people seem to be very responsible, indeed. The owner tells me that they have perfected a kit with a "modified oil tank and an additional oil separator", that results in full oil supply, and "without any smoke during race track driving conditions". The cost is considerably less than the $3000.00 USD for the Porsche Motorsport solution. We are waiting for some photos and a rough description on the time and difficulty of the install.
I am awaiting my own kit now and will report ASAP on it's results. Ken is also now connected to them, and will figure out the best way to make the kit available to all, once everyone is on the same page.
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Thanks for the info! I wasn't really mad, just being obnoxious for more information. Plus, I hate being left in suspense (Q: "How do you keep a knucklehead in suspense?" A: "I'll tell you tomorrow."  ).
I eagerly await the rest of the story and your results.
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06-11-2008, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bodhii
BillC,.....This is the same Italian tuner shop that has been servicing ALL of the Cayman Cup cars the last two years. These people seem to be very responsible, indeed. The owner tells me that they have perfected a kit with a "modified oil tank and an additional oil separator", that results in full oil supply, and "without any smoke during race track driving conditions". The cost is considerably less than the $3000.00 USD for the Porsche Motorsport solution. We are waiting for some photos and a rough description on the time and difficulty of the install.
I am awaiting my own kit now and will report ASAP on it's results. Ken is also now connected to them, and will figure out the best way to make the kit available to all, once everyone is on the same page.
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Tracking this thread!!
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06-11-2008, 12:41 PM
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First question is what do you want to use the car for? If you want a dedicated track car and intend to get into club racing, then get the GT3 Clubsport. If you want a track car you can drive everyday, then get the Cayman. If you want a great car that you can occasionally take to the track but not get too 'crazy' with, then get the turbo.
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06-11-2008, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bodhii
The cost is considerably less than the $3000.00 USD for the Porsche Motorsport solution.
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My apologies to the OP for the continued hijack, but I want to add to / correct the quoted statement.
Installation of the current Porsche Motorsports (two-stage) AOS is not a $3000 solution. The part itself is less than $500 and the installation is about $1400 (12 hours @ $120/hr) for a total of about $1900. This is still expensive, but not $3000.
I have made this modification to my car and can state this information with confidence. I do not doubt that Bodhii received a $3000 quote, but folks should consider all data when making their decision.
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06-11-2008, 11:32 PM
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I wish I could afford a Turbo.
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06-12-2008, 01:29 AM
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No question. Turbo Cab with fully-loaded options.
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06-12-2008, 03:51 AM
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Just wanted to add that I'm not actually in the market for a new car...I was just in the right place at the right time to be able to have drive of other people's cars!
Given the free gift option, I'd take the GT3 out of passion.
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06-12-2008, 06:58 AM
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For me if I had the choice I would get the GT3 then Cayman then Turbo. Whatever car I get has to be track friendly. If I had the choice of two cars then the Turbo plus the Cayman would be a hard combo to beat.
In fantasy-land anything can happen!
BTW is there a website for this Italian tuner?
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06-13-2008, 11:17 AM
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can a turbo cab be taken to the track? I know, stupid noob question, but I have never tracked, but will be starting this fall.... and I thought you couldn't take a cab to the track unless it has rollbars (like Boxter) ?
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06-13-2008, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty Evo
can a turbo cab be taken to the track? I know, stupid noob question, but I have never tracked, but will be starting this fall.... and I thought you couldn't take a cab to the track unless it has rollbars (like Boxter) ?
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Depends on the club/group.
Regarding this thread: I have a 1997 Turbo and had a Cayman S at the same time. I still have the Turbo and sold the Cayman S. I got a Boxster S instead for street/cruising. The Cayman S is sweet, but the Turbo won on most days when leaving the garage.
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