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was traveling on the FWY yesterday and saw a group of Camaro Club owners in my rear view mirror comming up pretty fast .The Lead car was driving the new 2010 Camaro Z28 and being a previous Camaro owner I gave him a thumbs up he did not respond In a friendly manner though just a evil grinn on his face the rest of the 8 cars were also not very friendly toward Me driving a Porsche. It was that look of if it aint American piss on you .they caught some traffic and eventually I ended up side by side with the 2010 Z28 and It had a 2SS emblem on the side the 426 HP V-8 he looked over at me and just floored his car so I decided to see what kind of power I had compared to his 2010 Camaro and I ran NECK and NECK with him In 3rd Gear the finally 4th untill I decided to let off the gas at 88 to 90m MPH he was 3/4 car length ahead of me .I am not that crazy
If the guy only Knew I had a 2.7 Liter Porsche
The SRP Flash and Remus Exhaust with K&N air filter and de-snork probally helped a little but How can this even be a close race? The Porsche Tourque?
or was he just not flooring it.any way the Camaro actually looked pretty cool looking but I did not care for the attitude

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I believe the only V8-equipped 2010 Camaro is the SS. Maybe they went all badge-tastic and put some more badges on the car, but it should have been an SS.

Oh, and wow. You must have gotten a great launch or something, since the SS has close to 150HP more than you do (or did you describe a third gear roll? Even better). Nice job keeping up. Should have rolled your window down further down the road and told him it was a 2.7. That should have toned the attitude down

There is no Z28 yet, only the SS and he should be much faster than a 2.7L Cayman, but it is a heavier car, still though I think one of the car mags pegged them at 4.8 or was it 4.6 0-60 I can't remember...

And remember take racing to the track not the street...

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When I down shifted to 3rd I actually took him by surprise so I got a little jump on him ,The Tourque on the Cayman in 3rd going 55 is Really at its best IMO.I saw the SS on the side But I thought there was something else along with it (I could be mistaken) it all happend pretty fast .
Yes I really wish I could have told him I had a 2.7 liter maybe he would have come down a little off his macho attitude .I like all car clubs I think if you have a spirit for enjoying your car then all the more power to ya .Whatever the make is. I hate to say but I have encountered this attitude with the Corvette folk as well.
we did a Parade and all the car clubs were there and the Corvette club Refused to be Behind the Porsche Club . They threw fit and got their way
we were all just laughing and could care less


Ken I wonder how the SS compares at 55 to 85 In speed as compared to the Cayman
I appeared that the Tourque on my Cayman was really superior.
I normally do not do any street racing but it was just the look on his face that got me .
95% of the time I can show restraint I gotta work on that 5% ,Thanks

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Actually the SS2 is real. Its a V8 426 HP. I Just checked on the Chevy website. But our little Cayman vs V8 426 hp .... poor Camaro.

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Dream on. The Camaro SS is about a perfect match for a Boxster S with PDK, so you're almost certainly slower. If the SS has an automatic (very likely) you're probably toast in any contest, because even on a roll the GM autos downshift to the lowest possible gear and powershift at redline. If you want to beat the good ship SS Camaro just take it to the twisties - that car is huge. Nautical comparisons apply. Not my taste at all, but my father-in-law is lusting after one.

Now that even a Honda V6 runs in the 13's drag racing or street racing is so passe. You'll both get beat by a bunch of Benzs. Ugh.

I guess he will really get a surprise when he challenges a Cayman S to a race.
I saw a road test in Car & Driver, I believe it was, and 0-60 was around 4.9. They were comparing all the new American pony cars, and none of them were faster than 4.8 seconds. They all weigh so much. The new Cayman S with PDK would eat them all for lunch.

Camaro makes 408 ft lb of torque to your 201 and at a lower RPM. You certainly had the advantage of being substantially lighter (2690 lb) to his (3860 lb).

If we were talking about pure street dominance (not highway), harkening back to the light to light brawls on Woodward Ave., torque is what rules the day. Heck, the plain-jane 440 6-pack cars put many a high-strung Hemi to shame. But I digress.

Someone pointed out ET times for Hondas, but it's the 60 ft. time that really tells the tale on the street.

Still prefer your Cayman over the Camaro (I already have two other US cars in my garage that each make close to 500 ft/lb of torque).

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Chevy Web site shows the 2SS with a curb weight at 3,849 lbs. - 151lbs short of two tons.

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Out of the american muscle recreations, the Camaro is my favorite in terms of looks, just look menacing on the road. If it seemed slow on acceleration wonder if some of that also be attributed to auto trans taking its second to realize foot to floor = downshift?

When looking at the power/weight ratio on these cars, it isn't as good as I was expecting, they may be packing over 400hp, but they're also in the neighborhood of 4,000 pounds. I've ridden in a '09 challenger a couple of times and while I like the car, I could "insert negative american sports car stereotype here" and would be hitting pretty close to the truth. The corvette and viper may have redeemed themselves in the handling department, but these other models tend to take you for a ride instead of letting you drive.

Funny, I just happened to see a silver Camaro RS on my way to work today. It had a Michigan "Manufacturer" license plate (I'm in St. Louis). Did I see something special? Looked like big rims (maybe 20"?) and an integrated rear end.

My car is pretty Fast for a 2.7 Liter with all the mods I have done .
I do not know if he had an automatic or not but I was Right there with him no doubt .The Tourque on the Porsche is Really fantastic over 4k to redline

Chevy Web site shows the 2SS with a curb weight at 3,849 lbs. - 151lbs short of two tons.

brad

I think that can explain a few things .. Thats HEAVY!!!!!!!

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Point taken on the guy's attitude. But, let's be serious, assuming both drivers are racing, your Cayman is going to get smoked...badly. My guess, he gave it a little throttle for play, but had no intention of anything serious, which might earn him a small credit in the attitude department.

I believe this could be true as well, but I fear it may be giving "them" too much credit

We don't know this. He may just as likely thought he was going to blow that "Porsch" away and floored it. Also, a few well chosen mods can make a big difference.

Yay 2.7!!!!! I think the weight advantage and the thumping 3rd gear surprises many people who expect the 2.7 to be a slug.

BMW, Merc and now Chevy Camaro each kill themselves with weight - it affects both gas mileage and performance. Of course 400 ft-lbs of torque will help - but it's almost mandatory with 2 tons to drag around with no back seat or trunk space.

I laugh because my 1990 Mustang convertible had 300 ft-lbs of torque with the old pushrod 5.0 (aka the "302" which was actually 4.9L), and only 3200 lbs to drag around. And it never got less than 18 mpg even in city driving (LA area), and 23 mpg on the highway was not unusual. The 'Stang had a 0-60 in the mid 6's with the automatic. Crude vehicle but highly effective, and even a poorly made convertible (it was on the old Fox chassis, i.e., the Ford Fairmont) can be a blast to drive in Southern California. I did keep it for 138,000 miles.

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The bolt-on mods in this case will not nearly offset the power difference, nor will the weight advantage. I have owned C5 and C6 ZO6's, so I am familiar with the situation this Camaro guy was in. I couldn't go to the grocery store without someone pushing a race to see what it would do. A few times, I did just what it appears this fellow might have done, stayed a bit ahead of someone until the speed became an issue (which happens fast in a ZO6 on a public road). Anyway, not taking sides with anyone here, just pointing out what should be the obvious in comparing the two cars.

It is not always about the big numbers on top.The Porsche is a well engineered car throughout.It is a complete package.Engine, Transmission, gearing.chassis design and suspension.It has been said that the Porsche line of cars always seem to do more with less.It is absolutly useless having a super high horsepower rating if the car cannot put it to the pavement.It is also mute having a 1g cornering ability if the car has brakes that came off of a go kart and it weighs 4000lb and so on and so on

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You're missing the entire point. The OP is a dreamer thinking his slightly modded 2.7 put any hurt at all on a car that traps 110-112mph in the quarter mile. It doesn't matter what they weigh, or who made them, or how good looking they are. This is all about numbers, and the Camaro, like it not, is going to win big against a 2.7. For all the OP knows the Camaro was still in the break-in period, so the owner didn't want to floor it, or exceed whatever speed, or just toying with something he thinks is "a girls car" (common thinking in Chevy land). Who knows? We have great cars, but let's not start with the hallucinations about what might happen in an ill-advised street race.

Think the Cayman would win over the Camaro at an auto-x high speed event.

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