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Old 06-10-2007, 04:10 PM
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second Cayman in 22nd spot.

Maybe P is afraid of cannibalization?
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Final results appear to be up now:

Alzen Cayman - 4th overall, 3rd in class SP7
Cayman CSR - 22nd overall, 5th in class SP6
MSpeed Cayman - 117th overall, 14th in class SP7

They all finished the race which is an accomplishment in its own right. Of 229 cars that qualified only 176 made it to the end.

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What is the difference between class SP6 and SP7 and does anyone have any information on the Cayman CSR team?

Looks like Alzen beat the BMW Factory sponsored Z4M Coupe, that ought to put that argument to rest now... the Cayman has claimed every head to head from street to track to race!

Someone break out the champagne ! Hey are there any good pics of the Alzen car you can post in this thread (other than the ones already posted) that I can put up on the home page to draw attention to this topic??? If so please post ASAP and I'll put up the item on the home page!

Wow 4th out of 229 that ROCKS!
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Alzen-Hankook Cayman

Here is a link for pictures of the Alzen Cayman.

How's that for ASAP?

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Final Results: 2007 Nürburgring 24 Hours

Top 29 places in the 2007 Nürburgring 24 Hours
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This will force Porsche's hand....... Oh no that was another thread.

What a great accomplishment for the Alzen team and Cayman lovers around the world. Thanks for the posts to keep us up to date.
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Top 7 results:

Rang Startnr. Fahrzeug Fahrer Runden Gesamtzeit Rückstand
1 1 Porsche 911 GT3 RSR
Pitstop Bernhard Timo , Lieb Marc , Dumas Romain , Tiemann Marcel 105 16:52:44.411 Note all 3 drivers have driven for Porsche and are considered PROS
2 3 Dodge Viper GTS-R Huisman Duncan , Coronel Tom , Simon Patrick , Bouchout Christophe 103 16:54:05.455 2 Runden
3 25 Porsche GT3 RSR Basseng Marc , Hennerici Marc , Adorf Dirk , Stippler Frank 103 17:00:11.861 2 Runden
4 2 Porsche Cayman Alzen Jürgen , Alzen Uwe , Menzel Christian , Mamerow Chris 100 16:58:02.232 5 Runden
5 50 BMW Z4 M-Coupe Hürtgen Claudia , Stuck Hans Joachim , Stuck Johannes , Göransson Richard 99 17:01:01.151 6 Runden
6 29 Porsche 997 RSR Frers Klaus , Bernhardt Patrik , Kaffer Pieré , Hardt Jörg 97 16:55:37.836 8 Runden
7 15 Porsche RGT Fox Shane , Weber Wolfgang , Diederich Lothar , Nittel Uwe 95 16:52:07.506 10 Runden


BTW the Cayman's fastest lap was a 9:02, the 3 cars above it all had fastest laps of 8:50 or 8:49 so from that standpoint they were about 12 seconds off the fastest laps and that's something for such a large track. Heck the RUF RGT was 9:32, oh and the BMW's best was 9:03 a second back of the Cayman.
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Originally Posted by GeoMedic View Post
Here is a link for pictures of the Alzen Cayman.

How's that for ASAP?
I meant from the race, sorry I should have been more clear, those are just press release photos, sorry.
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Question...
How do those times work? How is place determined? I see the "laps back" but the time numbers, if that's what they are, are all variable.
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Question...
How do those times work? How is place determined? I see the "laps back" but the time numbers, if that's what they are, are all variable.
Endurance races are traditionally timed events. The last lap is determined by where the leading car is on the track as the race time nears its end. A final lap is declared and the cars go around to the finish line. If you finish on the lead lap (with the overall winner that is) then however long it takes you to finish after the overall winner has crossed the line is your time back and determines the finish order. If you are any number of laps back from the lead lap then your place is determined by how long it takes you to complete the final lap in comparison to those cars also the same lap back. Does that make sense?
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The Eifel Crock

Porsche Cayman (Alzen Rennversion)


Most of the 190 competitors were allowed to admire the Cayman only from the rear.

The Eifel Kroko

The new Porsche Cayman of the Alzen team pleases the fans on the Nürburgring Nordschleife.

Porsche does not love the running version however completely so.



Porsche is sour. That had to come in such a way. Finally engine haven is reserved with the noblen Stuttgart sports car farmer the 911er-Modellen. But now shakes calculated the small, but fine troop around the two brothers Jürgen (44) and Uwe Alzen (39) at this old tradition. Jürgen, the older and calmer Alzen brother, is the head straight times six men strong teams from Betzdorf in the Westerwald. His five years younger brother Uwe is cult figure on the Nürburgring Nordschleife.



This Herzblut Racer is responsible for Top times, while Jürgen worries about technology and money. Both have the heart at the right mark and a hehres goal: win, which otherwise? “Not somehow and already not at all with Schmu”, as Jürgen stresses. But it says also: “House man food is not however our thing!”



The switching center: All information is digitally readable on an announcement.

Three years after their also in self-direction developed 996 Biturbo steam hammer with the Kosenamen “Turbinchen” put Alzens now spectacularly after. In the record time of only five months they built for the Nürburgring Langstreckenmeisterschaft a running version Porsche of the Cayman.



The unusual autochoice is for Jürgen Alzen obvious: “Natural is the 997 (Porsche current 911er-Baureihe; D. Talk.) a mad basis. But one wants to use all possibilities, is the Cayman the better alternative. Understandably that this Porsche does not please necessarily.” The large plus of the Cayman opposite that 911: Central instead of tail engine plus longer wheel base. “At the end it concerns to all long-distance classical authors only emphasis, balance and movability”, brings it in the DTM and Uwe Alzen matured on the point.



Up to the front axle support from the Porsche 996 RSR, the disks and the absorber basis everything is new. From the cultivations of kevlar over the drive unit (Holinger Getriebe/Drexler barrier) up to with H&R manufactured the wishbones and for smaller friction now the rolling instead of slidingstored absorbers is all mark self-'s building.



That approximately 525 HP strong six cylinder box he engine comes from the partner of many years Reinhold Schmirler of R-S-Tuning. And tire partner Hankook karrt, if' s must be, every three weeks again baked special rollers made of South Korea on. With the Rollout in Hockenheim the Alzen Cayman at first attempt was faster than the 911er. Also with the first ring fight 2007 it convinced despite loss lying on P3.


At the end with place five contently

“No serious problem, the clutch release sleeve of the clutch went broken”, is Jürgen Alzen nevertheless contently. “Uwe is at first attempt 8,27 (minutes over 24,433 km; D. Talk.) driven, the fastest one 8.23. Now we know that our concept comes up.” Also completely substantially: the weight distribution of 46,5 per cent in front to 53.5 per cent in the back.

“All the same with which Spritmenge, the relationship changes only around a half per cent”, says for Jürgen Alzen proudly. The goal now: the large north loop round clearly under 8:20 minutes.

Thus the Alzen Cayman would be three seconds faster than the remainder of the field. And one play the trump card for its Cayman have the Alzens still in the cellar: a Porsche-V10-Motor fromthe Carrera GT with full 660 HP.

“Only, grinst Jürgen Alzen are missing to a few little things”. And Porsche passes the laughter still more.

And Porsche says:

“Within the range of the series near engine haven Porsche concentrates on the 911er. Projects of private teams, which want to set on basis of the Porsche Cayman vehicles, are not supported by us.” (Hartmut Kristen, director of Porsche engine haven)

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5 50 BMW Z4 M-Coupe Hürtgen Claudia , Stuck Hans Joachim , Stuck Johannes , Göransson Richard 99 17:01:01.151 6 Runden
And look who was driving that car! ... Hans Stuck himself ... and if you ever have seen his M3 drive around the Ring, Hans rocks.
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“Within the range of the series near engine haven Porsche concentrates on the 911er. Projects of private teams, which want to set on basis of the Porsche Cayman vehicles, are not supported by us.” (Hartmut Kristen, director of Porsche engine haven)
Results of this racing could Porsche's hand forced will be?
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And one play the trump card for its Cayman have the Alzens still in the cellar: a Porsche-V10-Motor fromthe Carrera GT with full 660 HP.
Sounds like they want to put a Carrera GT engine in the Alzen Cayman. Now THAT would be a monster!
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...does anyone have any information on the Cayman CSR team?
I think this is them:

Hankook Cayman CSR

Born for the Nürburgring-Nordschleife


I guess Hankook was sponsoring 2 Caymans in the race.

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I think this is them:

Hankook Cayman CSR

Born for the Nürburgring-Nordschleife


I guess Hankook was sponsoring 2 Caymans in the race.
Yeah that looks to be their non-race body, non race engine replacement, etc. version of the Cayman. More or less a lightly modified Cayman S perhaps even similar to what I am currently driving.

Kudos to them!
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YYYYEEEEHHHHHAAAAA! Way to go! Porsche should at least support the Cayman in a class separate from the 911's. If private efforts can manage these types of results Porsche has got to be at least talking about not suppressing the performance aspects of the Cayman.

I can understand they want to protect the 911's iconic status and its ability to bring revenue, and that they didn't support the Boxster because it's a soft top, but then to make a coupe 987, market it towards a slightly younger demographic, have privateers gaining excellent results and not support it.......? Porsche is too smart to to be not talking about a strategy.
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I don't get why BMW has no problems running the Z4-M as its racing sports car and the M3 as it's racing GT car yet Porsche can't do the same with the Cayman (true sports car) and 911 (more GT-ish). Are the guys in Stuttgart a bit more insecure than the guys in Munich?

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Was the cayman in the same class as the 911 gt3 rsr's? That's the only way to account for 4th overall/3rd in class business. Seems a bizarre class arrangement to me.
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