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is the cayman s tiptronic slow?
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I am wondering if the 06 cayman s uses the same tiptronic on 02+ 996s? I drove it once and I think it's shifts faster than 02+ 996's tip. Also I know stick shift is faster than tip. But is it really that bad stick vs tip in cayman s?
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The tiptronic is decent in manumatic mode (where you can control the shifts) ... but to raise it to close to excellent, you should definitely get the Sports Chrono...it changes the character of the shifts completely for the Tip ... they are fast, and smooth ...
Even better.....
I got the Softronic Flash...with smooths out the mid-range torque and Scott Slausen will give you the Sports Mode Option for free if you want it .... this way, for less money than you would spend on the Sports Chrono option, you are getting ~20hp, ~15 torque..."and" the Sports option (always on) if you ask for it ....
So the Softronic Flash with Sports Mode is the best addition on a Tip.
It has made my CS the car it should have been from the beginning. How does it compare to the Manual? Can't say...for the hard-core Manual Drivers, it will never be as satisfying .... I stopped driving Manuals a while back.
Having said all that....the PDK with Sports Chrono should be a whole other league. But that probably will have to wait till the 2010 model ... 
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I have an 06 cayman s tip. I also own a gt2 timer. So far my best 0-60 in the car has been 4.77 (although i haven't had the opportunity to do many runs runs yet). But all runs seemed to be 5.0 or below if i floored it w/ psm off. (i don't have sport chrono).... Those times don't seem to bad to me in relation to the times other members have posted using gt2 timers.. although my test was in cold weather... now that summer is about here i can test again in warmer conditions. But it seems the tip is much faster than what they "claim" at porsche IMO.
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If braking alone isn’t enough to correct the vehicle’s cornering line, PSM then calls on the Cayman’s engine management system, adjusting engine output as needed to help stabilize handling. PSM can also compensate in an instant for mid-corner changes in load resulting from deceleration or braking. When Sport mode is selected with the optional Sport Chrono Package, PSM’s threshold for intervention is raised, allowing for greater driver involvement. If you prefer driving without automatic PSM assistance, the system can be set to standby at any time. In this case, it will only intervene under heavy braking, where both front wheels exceed the ABS threshold.
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Originally Posted by jonnydeep
I have an 06 cayman s tip. I also own a gt2 timer. So far my best 0-60 in the car has been 4.77 (although i haven't had the opportunity to do many runs runs yet). But all runs seemed to be 5.0 or below if i floored it w/ psm off. (i don't have sport chrono).... Those times don't seem to bad to me in relation to the times other members have posted using gt2 timers.. although my test was in cold weather... now that summer is about here i can test again in warmer conditions. But it seems the tip is much faster than what they "claim" at porsche IMO.
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Did you get 4.77s without mods? And did you use auto manual or completely auto?
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Originally Posted by Vik
Having said all that....the PDK with Sports Chrono should be a whole other league. But that probably will have to wait till the 2010 model ... |
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Originally Posted by jonnydeep
I have an 06 cayman s tip. I also own a gt2 timer. So far my best 0-60 in the car has been 4.77 (although i haven't had the opportunity to do many runs runs yet). But all runs seemed to be 5.0 or below if i floored it w/ psm off. (i don't have sport chrono).... Those times don't seem to bad to me in relation to the times other members have posted using gt2 timers.. although my test was in cold weather... now that summer is about here i can test again in warmer conditions. But it seems the tip is much faster than what they "claim" at porsche IMO.
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WHAT??  4.77s, how do you do that?!!! My best time so far was 7.1s (using the SC stop watch)
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7.1s? That's a bit absurd. I own a 02 996 manual and my mom's 07 Cayman S tiptronic feels just as quick (02 996 0-60 4.8s).
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Originally Posted by Nitro8472
WHAT?? 4.77s, how do you do that?!!! My best time so far was 7.1s (using the SC stop watch)
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7.1 sounds really slow though. The official Porsche number is around 5.8 I think.
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Originally Posted by rotharek
7.1s? That's a bit absurd. I own a 02 996 manual and my mom's 07 Cayman S tiptronic feels just as quick (02 996 0-60 4.8s).
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Originally Posted by kimchang
7.1 sounds really slow though. The official Porsche number is around 5.8 I think.
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you're both right, the Porsche number is 6.1, but the thing is, I cant get a proper launch, that -I think- is the problem!!
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Originally Posted by Vik
Even better.....
I got the Softronic Flash...with smooths out the mid-range torque and Scott Slausen will give you the Sports Mode Option for free if you want it .... this way, for less money than you would spend on the Sports Chrono option, you are getting ~20hp, ~15 torque..."and" the Sports option (always on) if you ask for it ....
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While I think the Softronic's sport mode option is a great feature it is not a true replacement to the factory option on a Tiptronic Cayman. The Softronic can only give you the Sport Chrono engine enhancements it does not give you the Sport Chrono transmission enhancements. You only get that when you order the Sport Chrono factory option from Porsche. In auto mode the Sport Chrono tunes the transmission to be very aggresive, up-shifting later and down-shifting quickly. It also performs shifts faster. You are kept in the power and 'fun' curve 99% of the time. It's so good and so much fun I rarely feel the need to go into manual tip mode. Because this changes the dynamics of the car so much, I would not consider a Tiptronic unless I had the factory Sport Chrono option. By far the best option on a tip you can select.
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Following the modification of the control
system, the optional Sport Chrono functions
correspond to those in the 911
Carrera. The following functions thus
now apply when the Sport button of the
Sport Chrono Package is pressed:
• Upshifts and downshifts are effected
only at an engine speed of over 3,000
rpm
• Deceleration downshifts are executed
with significantly less delay and at
higher engine speeds
• Gear changes are initiated in a
markedly sportier mode
• Shift times are reduced
• In Manual mode, upshifting is prevented
when the defined engine speed
is reached.
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In terms of performance, I'd guess with Sport Chrono enabled ( pasm off, tiptronic in auto) it could readily beat a manual stock SC. The car simply shifts so darn quickly and so perfectly it would take a real pro to match it in manual. Its the reason Formula One cars use a similar setup.
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This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
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I can see if you are trying to launch with PASM off, but why would you want it off for the over-all performance in Sports Mode?
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This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
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Originally Posted by Chillie
While I think the Softronic's sport mode option is a great feature it is not a true replacement to the factory option on a Tiptronic Cayman. The Softronic can only give you the Sport Chrono engine enhancements it does not give you the Sport Chrono transmission enhancements. You only get that when you order the Sport Chrono factory option from Porsche. In auto mode the Sport Chrono tunes the transmission to be very aggresive, up-shifting later and down-shifting quickly. It also performs shifts faster. You are kept in the power and 'fun' curve 99% of the time. It's so good and so much fun I rarely feel the need to go into manual tip mode. Because this changes the dynamics of the car so much, I would not consider a Tiptronic unless I had the factory Sport Chrono option. By far the best option on a tip you can select.
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Following the modification of the control
system, the optional Sport Chrono functions
correspond to those in the 911
Carrera. The following functions thus
now apply when the Sport button of the
Sport Chrono Package is pressed:
• Upshifts and downshifts are effected
only at an engine speed of over 3,000
rpm
• Deceleration downshifts are executed
with significantly less delay and at
higher engine speeds
• Gear changes are initiated in a
markedly sportier mode
• Shift times are reduced
• In Manual mode, upshifting is prevented
when the defined engine speed
is reached.
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In terms of performance, I'd guess with Sport Chrono enabled (pasm off, tiptronic in auto) it could readily beat a manual stock SC. The car simply shifts so darn quickly and so perfectly it would take a real pro to match it in manual. Its the reason Formula One cars use a similar setup. |
Which year's CS brochure did you pick that out from? I find that in auto mode, even with SC on, the upshifts take place so quickly that I don't get to enjoy the car in the torque curve sweet spot of above 4000rpm.
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I find tiptronic porsches to be slow, while their manuals are brillliant. But then again, I'm a purist and not really into pressing buttons & "programming" the car before I set off. :dunno:
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Originally Posted by pekopeeus
I guess 06 cayman s tip has sport chrono?
I have a 02 996 C2 tip and I gotta say the tip is pretty damn slow. I assume 06 cayamn s tip with sport chrono shifts fast? |
The tip shifts are NOT slow at all, in fact, if SC is on, the shifting is fast that you'd feel a distinctive jerk if you weren't pushing it hard enough!
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Which year's CS brochure did you pick that out from? I find that in auto mode, even with SC on, the upshifts take place so quickly that I don't get to enjoy the car in the torque curve sweet spot of above 4000rpm. |
Well it adapts to your driving style, drive it aggressively for a couple of minutes and it will adapt and will turn into a much aggressive shift pattern!
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Nitro,
Thanks for the reply, I had a R32 with DSG and I gotta say damn DSG is a very nice semi-auto tranny. I wonder if the tiptronic on SC is the same on 997? I mean it's an entirely different tranny than 986, 996 right?
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Originally Posted by pekopeeus
Nitro,
Thanks for the reply, I had a R32 with DSG and I gotta say damn DSG is a very nice semi-auto tranny. I wonder if the tiptronic on SC is the same on 997? I mean it's an entirely different tranny than 986, 996 right? |
Not having driven a 996 I cant relly tell, but from what I hear, Yes, it is different, it shifts faster and has more shift patterns, I remember reading somewhere that while the older tip had like 5 or 25 shift patternts, the new one has 250 shift patterns. And I can saftely assume that the 997 (minus the TT) has the same tip as the 987!
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Originally Posted by titanic
Did you get 4.77s without mods? And did you use auto manual or completely auto?
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Car has psm off. Was in manuall mode. I depressed the gass pedal completely to the floor and let the car shift on it's own (will auto upshift if you have the accelerator completely pressed). Only mod is de-snork. But the temp outside was probably 40-50 degress fahrenheit (will test again soon now that summer is here)
I used the gt2 timer as a decent reference since i know other users have the same thing and have posted times w/ manuals. I think the times porsche listed for auto is just ridiculous.. no way the car is that slow, not sure what you would have to do to make it go that slow..
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While it can’t overcome the laws of physics, the revolutionary Porsche Stability Management (PSM) system does lend an added degree of balance and control to the Cayman’s mid-engine driving dynamics, inspiring surefooted confidence in corners and extreme situations.
A standard feature on the Cayman and Cayman S, PSM continuously monitors steering input, road speed, yaw velocity and lateral acceleration to calculate the actual direction of travel. If the car begins to steer off line, PSM instantly intervenes with precision brake inputs on individual wheels to help bring the car back onto the driver’s intended path.
If braking alone isn’t enough to correct the vehicle’s cornering line, PSM then calls on the Cayman’s engine management system, adjusting engine output as needed to help stabilize handling. PSM can also compensate in an instant for mid-corner changes in load resulting from deceleration or braking. When Sport mode is selected with the optional Sport Chrono Package, PSM’s threshold for intervention is raised, allowing for greater driver involvement. If you prefer driving without automatic PSM assistance, the system can be set to standby at any time. In this case, it will only intervene under heavy braking, where both front wheels exceed the ABS threshold.
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I think the orginal poster is asking if the TipTronic shifts fast, not if a TipTronic equipped car is fast.
Chillie, how do you think Sport Chrono is retuning the transmission? Via software. Scott can enabled the same program or enhance it even further. Tip owners who have purchased the SnapFlash package all report better transmission control.
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Originally Posted by jonnydeep
Car has psm off. Was in manuall mode. I depressed the gass pedal completely to the floor and let the car shift on it's own (will auto upshift if you have the accelerator completely pressed). Only mod is de-snork. But the temp outside was probably 40-50 degress fahrenheit (will test again soon now that summer is here)
I used the gt2 timer as a decent reference since i know other users have the same thing and have posted times w/ manuals. I think the times porsche listed for auto is just ridiculous.. no way the car is that slow, not sure what you would have to do to make it go that slow.. |
Wow, that's excellent. I can only do about 5.4-5.6s but ambient temp is about 90F. I guess high altitude and hot weather would slow it down considerably. Please do some more runs in the summer and let us know the difference.
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While it can’t overcome the laws of physics, the revolutionary Porsche Stability Management (PSM) system does lend an added degree of balance and control to the Cayman’s mid-engine driving dynamics, inspiring surefooted confidence in corners and extreme situations.
A standard feature on the Cayman and Cayman S, PSM continuously monitors steering input, road speed, yaw velocity and lateral acceleration to calculate the actual direction of travel. If the car begins to steer off line, PSM instantly intervenes with precision brake inputs on individual wheels to help bring the car back onto the driver’s intended path.
If braking alone isn’t enough to correct the vehicle’s cornering line, PSM then calls on the Cayman’s engine management system, adjusting engine output as needed to help stabilize handling. PSM can also compensate in an instant for mid-corner changes in load resulting from deceleration or braking. When Sport mode is selected with the optional Sport Chrono Package, PSM’s threshold for intervention is raised, allowing for greater driver involvement. If you prefer driving without automatic PSM assistance, the system can be set to standby at any time. In this case, it will only intervene under heavy braking, where both front wheels exceed the ABS threshold.
For all of its technical ability, PSM goes virtually unnoticed in everyday driving situations, preserving the Cayman’s natural agility. |
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