Planet 9

**sharkster** · #21 08-29-2008, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by DaveN007

Alex-

Please PM me with an RS350 package price including installation, time needed in the shop, etc.

I have been waiting for a package like this. Based upon my brother's EVOMS/ Sharkwerks experience I am comfortable with you guys and really no one else. Sorry everybody else...LOL.

This package. along with my LSD, gets me where I want to be in my quest to create that mythical beast known as the Cayman GT...the car Porsche won't sell.

Can I expect the end result to be CEL free under normal driving conditions?

How would you characterize the Cargraphic exhaust compared to Remus and others?

Thanks,

Dave

Hi Dave, thanks so much for saying that. Too kind! I'm actually at home right now so if I pop in tomorrow (more likely Monday) I'll fire something off to you. (Drop me an Email so I've got it). No CELs (I'm using stock cats which is why lol!) or anything like that but I know some header/cat combos have triggered 02 codes on stock cars, modded cars but this kit was done with a cat back till this point. The software has been running for a few months now on different Caymans (mostly in AZ).

The Remus really sounds great from the outside but you certainly get resonance on the freeway in 6th gear between 64-71mph. Above that it goes away. The Cargraphic is much akin to a MillTek in that it's very quiet indeed so that'd be a personal choice. No resonance worth mentioning but it's pricier. Once she gets back from AZ (in a couple of weeks) it'd be good to see what you think in person...

I'm really starting to see why Porsche wants to ham-string the platform. A 3.9L GT3 motor in there would be something truly...

PS Chris is still mulling over the 93 EVOMSit tune/update

**sharkster** · #22 08-29-2008, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by advantyper

Nice, do you have any authorized dealer and installation in the oregon or washington area?

I'm not aware of one but I will ask. I know that MAXRPM is the place to go in Washington though. We're in NorCal so that might be a bit of a trek depenind on where in Oregon you are.

PS Spent July 4th with some GT3 hooligans in Ashland...

**dreis44** · #23 08-29-2008, 05:46 PM

Ian,

Is the car still with you at EVO? If so, I'd like to come take a look / listen sometime next week. Let me know.

**sharkster** · #24 08-29-2008, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by dreis44

Ian,

Is the car still with you at EVO? If so, I'd like to come take a look / listen sometime next week. Let me know.

Hi Dan, the power is still out in most of Tempe but Ian still has the car there next week. They'll be doing some more testing/tuning with the ESR Pulley kit and the Cargraphic Headers/Cats... Hoping for a bit more power....

**dreis44** · #25 08-29-2008, 06:00 PM

Thanks Alex. The storm was pretty nasty here last night. I'll pop in next week and take a look.

**sharkster** · #26 08-29-2008, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by dreis44

Thanks Alex. The storm was pretty nasty here last night. I'll pop in next week and take a look.

Hope everyone is ok and it gets back to normal... Let me know what you think

**josephsdesimone** · #27 08-29-2008, 11:47 PM

Hello Ian@EVOMS,

I appreciate the straight forward approach that you use to present your new products to include a baseline dyno along with the dyno for the modified CS; your results are very impressive!

What would be the chances when running your next dyno (with the additional mods) that you could do them during the time of day (night) when the ambient air temperature is at it's lowest?

Regards,
Joe

**sharkster** · #28 08-30-2008, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by josephsdesimone

Hello Ian@EVOMS,

I appreciate the straight forward approach that you use to present your new products to include a baseline dyno along with the dyno for the modified CS; your results are very impressive!

What would be the chances when running your next dyno (with the additional mods) that you could do them during the time of day (night) when the ambient air temperature is at it's lowest?

Regards,
Joe

It's just so hot out there but it's certainly good to know how well it runs in those conditions. The other thing we're going to do is add the ESR Pulley as well as the header/cats and then see where we're at. Try some 93 octane as well

CJP80 · #29 08-30-2008, 05:09 AM

Excuse the ignorance, I've been a member of this forum for a while but this is my first post.

Do you have any UK based distribution channels where I could purchase this complete kit?

Factory - 2007 987CS GT Silver, Full Leather Package, Black Interior, Bi-Xenon Headlamps, Sport Chrono Package, Auto Climate Control, BOSE Surround Sound System, CDC-4 Autochanger, Sports Steering Wheel, Sports Tailpipe, Porsche Crested Seats
Tequipment - Sports Tailpipe, Front Cargo Liner, Porsche Crested Valve Caps, Short Shifter, 19" Carrera S Wheels, 997 GT3 Alcantara Steering Wheel and Shifter
Modifications - BMC F1 Air Filter

**sharkster** · #30 08-30-2008, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by CJP80

Excuse the ignorance, I've been a member of this forum for a while but this is my first post.

Do you have any UK based distribution channels where I could purchase this complete kit?

Factory - 2007 987CS GT Silver, Full Leather Package, Black Interior, Bi-Xenon Headlamps, Sport Chrono Package, Auto Climate Control, BOSE Surround Sound System, CDC-4 Autochanger, Sports Steering Wheel, Sports Tailpipe, Porsche Crested Seats
Tequipment - Sports Tailpipe, Front Cargo Liner, Porsche Crested Valve Caps, Short Shifter, 19" Carrera S Wheels, 997 GT3 Alcantara Steering Wheel and Shifter
Modifications - BMC F1 Air Filter

Hi CJP80, I'm from the UK myself btw... but I believe there is an EVOMS dealer out there. Drop us an Email and I'll make sure the EVO boys get it.

TighTT · #31 08-30-2008, 05:58 PM

Wow...great looking stuff guys!!! I'd love to load-up the new software and give it a spin!!!

elmo91789 · #32 08-30-2008, 07:48 PM

Alex

Great results, thanks for the dynos it is nice to see proof of your performance package.

**Ian@EVOMS** · #33 08-31-2008, 12:45 PM

Hey all!

Thanks for your patience with my lapse in communication, we had quite the storm Thursday night! EVOMS is still without power and any form of communication, hopefully it will be back up before Tuesday! Fortunately no EVO cars sustained any damage, but the building fell victim to a little bit of flood damage. All of the trees on the property were uprooted from the 75+mph winds. We were lucky to not have any serious damage, which can't be said for quite a few of the businesses and homes around our location.

As soon as we are up and running again I will be able to distribute more information and get all of your cars to the RS350 and the RS350+ levels!

Kindest regards and thank you for your patience,
Ian

**Softronic** · #34 08-31-2008, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Ian@EVOMS

I wanted to keep a professional tone while alleviating some customer's concerns with issues that have been experienced in conjunction with a specific software tuner. I chose to make a general statement instead of lowering myself to finger-pointing and name-calling!

Some customers were experiencing idle die-down. i.e. the engine dying from depressing the clutch pedal while coming to a stop. When the car would return to idle, it would dip too low in the RPM band and stall.

Thanks for asking the question, I should have elaborated more on that topic in the original post!

Hello Ian,

I'm glad that we then have concurred that this was not a problem with Softronic software yet another vendor. I wouldn't want to confuse my tuning with any other manufacturer in its quality or performance.

Best,
Scott Slauson

DLeach · #35 09-01-2008, 08:24 AM

Not to split hairs or anything but doesn't 45 + 295 = 340 ?

Todd Zuccone, Founder of EVOMS says, “The Cayman is a great driving car, but with the added 45HP and 35TQ makes this daily driver feel much more like a track car ..."

**Slatfatf** · #36 09-01-2008, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by DLeach

Not to split hairs or anything but doesn't 45 + 295 = 340 ?

Todd Zuccone, Founder of EVOMS says, “The Cayman is a great driving car, but with the added 45HP and 35TQ makes this daily driver feel much more like a track car ..."

Not only that, but there doesn't seem to be any dyno data for the baseline car, either. The lowest curve appears to include the exhaust. We've seen time and again the importance of doing a baseline dyno to understand what the changes are really doing.

elmo91789 · #37 09-01-2008, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Fort Felker

Not only that, but there doesn't seem to be any dyno data for the baseline car, either. The lowest curve appears to include the exhaust. We've seen time and again the importance of doing a baseline dyno to understand what the changes are really doing.

Fort

As you point out there is not data for a stock Cayman S but there is plenty of data both torque & HP to show what gains were achieved above and beyond the Cayman S with catback exhaust and 317 RWHP seems to be what the changes are really doing and doing it at 114 degrees.

**Slatfatf** · #38 09-01-2008, 06:32 PM

Well, let's take it one step at a time...

The lowest trace appears to be the basic car with just a catback. That shows something just below 290 RWHP. If you use their 11% drivetrain loss, then the engine with catback is providing 289/0.89 = 325 FWHP. The basic car has 295 HP, so this implies that the catback is providing 30 HP!

Does anyone really believe that a catback can provide 30 HP??? I don't think it can... No other catback has done much better than 20 HP. Cargraphic's website claims 15 HP for this catback.

Thus, I think it is fair to question these power claims until more complete data is provided. At a minimum, the results for the unmodified car on the same dyno must be presented to establish a baseline.

As for the temperature, most dynos will apply a standard SAE temperature & pressure correction unless the operator specifically disables that correction. So, I'm assuming that standard atmospheric corrections have been applied, until someone can demonstrate otherwise.

As it stands, their claim of 350 HP has no more basis than the K-Man S claim of 390 HP (which he gets by applying an unrealistically high drivetrain loss to his RWHP results).

The next increment on their dyno chart is more plausible. That data indicates that the new IPD plenum and larger throttle body, plus the EVOM air filter, adds something like 17 HP. That could be correct.

Finally, the addition of the software is worth another 13 HP or so. Again, plausible.

So it might all hang together if a decent baseline were provided. I'd guess that the baseline would be something like 275 RWHP, giving a total gain of about 42 RWHP (coincidentally, more or less consistent with Todd's statement). But RS350 sounds a lot better than RS340, especially when Ken has a GT 390.

I'm planning to install some additional drivetrain loss on my car, so that I can have a RS/GT 400!!

Don't get me wrong - I've purchased products from EVO, from IPD, and from Sharkwerks, and installed them on my car. I am happy with all of those products, and I'm currently considering a set of Cargraphics headers. But they need to post a baseline dyno to substantiate these claims.

**K-Man S** · #39 09-01-2008, 08:06 PM

Hey I am shooting for a GT400 but not sure if I will ever get there or not. Fort, what drivetrain loss figure would you like me to apply to my 332 rear wheel hp?

elmo91789 · #40 09-01-2008, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Fort Felker

Well, let's take it one step at a time...

The lowest trace appears to be the basic car with just a catback. That shows something just below 290 RWHP. If you use their 11% drivetrain loss, then the engine with catback is providing 289/0.89 = 325 FWHP. The basic car has 295 HP, so this implies that the catback is providing 30 HP!

Does anyone really believe that a catback can provide 30 HP??? I don't think it can... No other catback has done much better than 20 HP. Cargraphic's website claims 15 HP for this catback.

Thus, I think it is fair to question these power claims until more complete data is provided. At a minimum, the results for the unmodified car on the same dyno must be presented to establish a baseline.

As for the temperature, most dynos will apply a standard SAE temperature & pressure correction unless the operator specifically disables that correction. So, I'm assuming that standard atmospheric corrections have been applied, until someone can demonstrate otherwise.

As it stands, their claim of 350 HP has no more basis than the K-Man S claim of 390 HP (which he gets by applying an unrealistically high drivetrain loss to his RWHP results).

The next increment on their dyno chart is more plausible. That data indicates that the new IPD plenum and larger throttle body, plus the EVOM air filter, adds something like 17 HP. That could be correct.

Finally, the addition of the software is worth another 13 HP or so. Again, plausible.

So it might all hang together if a decent baseline were provided. I'd guess that the baseline would be something like 275 RWHP, giving a total gain of about 42 RWHP (coincidentally, more or less consistent with Todd's statement). But RS350 sounds a lot better than RS340, especially when Ken has a GT 390.

I'm planning to install some additional drivetrain loss on my car, so that I can have a RS/GT 400!!

Don't get me wrong - I've purchased products from EVO, from IPD, and from Sharkwerks, and installed them on my car. I am happy with all of those products, and I'm currently considering a set of Cargraphics headers. But they need to post a baseline dyno to substantiate these claims.

Fort,

It seems like after you have made two edits and additions to this post I now agree with you that a baseline of 275RWHP makes the dyno plausible and would be an indication of a 14RWHP gain for the exhaust and is very much in line with results from the addition of the Remus to a stock Cayman S.

I believe some members have posted gains from the Remus between 16-21 HP and if that is reliable then a baseline of even 268RWHP does lets all the numbers hang together as you say.

I also agree with you the 11% drive train loss assumption is more plausible than those boasting the 15% loss assumption.

Fort the dyno shows 317RWHP and 317/.89 = 356.179 and that is closer to a
RS350 than the RS340 don't you agree ?

I see you are asking for a stock baseline before you can feel happy with the results so do you think they should strip the RS350 back to stock and then basline for you or do you think they should just invest in another test Cayman S and start all over again to substantiate the dynos for you?

BTW how much drve train loss were you going to add if you do it right you could have the most powerful Cayman in the world.