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View Poll Results: Does your Cayman/ Cayman S have factory Carbon Ceramic Brakes?
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Yes, I have the Carbon Ceramic (PCCB) Brakes
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01-31-2009, 03:27 PM
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Who has Composite Ceramic Brakes (PCCB'S)?
I was just wondering how many members of the club have Caymans or Cayman S' that were delivered with the factory PCCB's from 2006 to present. If you would like to elaborate on your experiences with them please do! Check out the Poll!
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01-31-2009, 04:34 PM
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Re: Who has Composite Ceramic Brakes (PCCB'S)?
Don't have them, but at times I wish I did... 
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Re: Who has Composite Ceramic Brakes (PCCB'S)?
No but I am working on it
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02-01-2009, 07:42 AM
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Re: Who has Composite Ceramic Brakes (PCCB'S)?
Another no, and I'm not sure I can afford $20k for a rotor change 
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Re: Who has Composite Ceramic Brakes (PCCB'S)?
Nah ... the yellow calipers would clash with my red and black paint scheme
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02-01-2009, 06:11 PM
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Re: Who has Composite Ceramic Brakes (PCCB'S)?
Yes, I do. No issues to date. 34K and still like new.
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02-20-2009, 12:01 PM
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Re: Who has Composite Ceramic Brakes (PCCB'S)?
They are half the cars fun !!
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Re: Who has Composite Ceramic Brakes (PCCB'S)?
No, but shall I get them next time round? I think yes.
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02-20-2009, 07:26 PM
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Re: Who has Composite Ceramic Brakes (PCCB'S)?
Yup, got 'em.
Would not do it again.
Big time fluid boiling at DE mid-level driving ability.
Best advice to fix that, other than switching to SRF, was
to turn OFF the PSM.
My driving style is very smooth (so my instructors say) and
the PSM is continuously, yet unobtrusively, squeezing the
brakes and overheating the pads and then the fluid. The PSM will
only allow a certain tolerance of slip angle and will do whatever
it thinks it needs to to keep you from exceeding it.
For the price -- nope, not again.
If I could find some "cheap" iron ones to use for DE's, I would
change them.
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While it can’t overcome the laws of physics, the revolutionary Porsche Stability Management (PSM) system does lend an added degree of balance and control to the Cayman’s mid-engine driving dynamics, inspiring surefooted confidence in corners and extreme situations.
A standard feature on the Cayman and Cayman S, PSM continuously monitors steering input, road speed, yaw velocity and lateral acceleration to calculate the actual direction of travel. If the car begins to steer off line, PSM instantly intervenes with precision brake inputs on individual wheels to help bring the car back onto the driver’s intended path.
If braking alone isn’t enough to correct the vehicle’s cornering line, PSM then calls on the Cayman’s engine management system, adjusting engine output as needed to help stabilize handling. PSM can also compensate in an instant for mid-corner changes in load resulting from deceleration or braking. When Sport mode is selected with the optional Sport Chrono Package, PSM’s threshold for intervention is raised, allowing for greater driver involvement. If you prefer driving without automatic PSM assistance, the system can be set to standby at any time. In this case, it will only intervene under heavy braking, where both front wheels exceed the ABS threshold.
For all of its technical ability, PSM goes virtually unnoticed in everyday driving situations, preserving the Cayman’s natural agility. |
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02-20-2009, 07:29 PM
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Re: Who has Composite Ceramic Brakes (PCCB'S)?
Mark sounds like something is wrong, does your car have sport chrono?
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02-20-2009, 07:34 PM
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Re: Who has Composite Ceramic Brakes (PCCB'S)?
I have about 24,000 miles on mine with no wear on them, not even any score marks! I have never had a problem with any kind of brake fade either even under prolonged hard, spirited driving. Of course, I drive that way with PSM off unless there is water on the road..
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PSM - Porsche Stability Management
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While it can’t overcome the laws of physics, the revolutionary Porsche Stability Management (PSM) system does lend an added degree of balance and control to the Cayman’s mid-engine driving dynamics, inspiring surefooted confidence in corners and extreme situations.
A standard feature on the Cayman and Cayman S, PSM continuously monitors steering input, road speed, yaw velocity and lateral acceleration to calculate the actual direction of travel. If the car begins to steer off line, PSM instantly intervenes with precision brake inputs on individual wheels to help bring the car back onto the driver’s intended path.
If braking alone isn’t enough to correct the vehicle’s cornering line, PSM then calls on the Cayman’s engine management system, adjusting engine output as needed to help stabilize handling. PSM can also compensate in an instant for mid-corner changes in load resulting from deceleration or braking. When Sport mode is selected with the optional Sport Chrono Package, PSM’s threshold for intervention is raised, allowing for greater driver involvement. If you prefer driving without automatic PSM assistance, the system can be set to standby at any time. In this case, it will only intervene under heavy braking, where both front wheels exceed the ABS threshold.
For all of its technical ability, PSM goes virtually unnoticed in everyday driving situations, preserving the Cayman’s natural agility. |
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Re: Who has Composite Ceramic Brakes (PCCB'S)?
Sounds like no sport mode so the PSM must be running in "nanny" mode.
Time for a Softronics ECU flash with sport mode upgrade.
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PSM - Porsche Stability Management
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While it can’t overcome the laws of physics, the revolutionary Porsche Stability Management (PSM) system does lend an added degree of balance and control to the Cayman’s mid-engine driving dynamics, inspiring surefooted confidence in corners and extreme situations.
A standard feature on the Cayman and Cayman S, PSM continuously monitors steering input, road speed, yaw velocity and lateral acceleration to calculate the actual direction of travel. If the car begins to steer off line, PSM instantly intervenes with precision brake inputs on individual wheels to help bring the car back onto the driver’s intended path.
If braking alone isn’t enough to correct the vehicle’s cornering line, PSM then calls on the Cayman’s engine management system, adjusting engine output as needed to help stabilize handling. PSM can also compensate in an instant for mid-corner changes in load resulting from deceleration or braking. When Sport mode is selected with the optional Sport Chrono Package, PSM’s threshold for intervention is raised, allowing for greater driver involvement. If you prefer driving without automatic PSM assistance, the system can be set to standby at any time. In this case, it will only intervene under heavy braking, where both front wheels exceed the ABS threshold.
For all of its technical ability, PSM goes virtually unnoticed in everyday driving situations, preserving the Cayman’s natural agility. |
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02-22-2009, 07:37 PM
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Re: Who has Composite Ceramic Brakes (PCCB'S)?
Ken,
Yes it does has SC and I always ran with it on.
The three dealers it has been to remain baffled as to why it has
this problem. It has had a new master cylinder and gallons of
fluid run through it.
It got MUCH better with PSM off, but the pedal was still not
solid and hard the way I think it should be at the end of the
session.
I have ridden with instructors, including one in a stock 2000
Boxster S (Pagid Oranges and Motul and R compounds), and
was astonished at how fast they can brake a car. Mine simply
will not do that.
Beats me...
- Mark
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PSM - Porsche Stability Management
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While it can’t overcome the laws of physics, the revolutionary Porsche Stability Management (PSM) system does lend an added degree of balance and control to the Cayman’s mid-engine driving dynamics, inspiring surefooted confidence in corners and extreme situations.
A standard feature on the Cayman and Cayman S, PSM continuously monitors steering input, road speed, yaw velocity and lateral acceleration to calculate the actual direction of travel. If the car begins to steer off line, PSM instantly intervenes with precision brake inputs on individual wheels to help bring the car back onto the driver’s intended path.
If braking alone isn’t enough to correct the vehicle’s cornering line, PSM then calls on the Cayman’s engine management system, adjusting engine output as needed to help stabilize handling. PSM can also compensate in an instant for mid-corner changes in load resulting from deceleration or braking. When Sport mode is selected with the optional Sport Chrono Package, PSM’s threshold for intervention is raised, allowing for greater driver involvement. If you prefer driving without automatic PSM assistance, the system can be set to standby at any time. In this case, it will only intervene under heavy braking, where both front wheels exceed the ABS threshold.
For all of its technical ability, PSM goes virtually unnoticed in everyday driving situations, preserving the Cayman’s natural agility. |
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Cocoa top, Cocoa full leather interior, Sport
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seems to have solved the ticking noise.
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02-22-2009, 07:48 PM
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Re: Who has Composite Ceramic Brakes (PCCB'S)?
Originally Posted by MarkinHouston
Ken,
Yes it does has SC and I always ran with it on.
The three dealers it has been to remain baffled as to why it has
this problem. It has had a new master cylinder and gallons of
fluid run through it.
It got MUCH better with PSM off, but the pedal was still not
solid and hard the way I think it should be at the end of the
session.
I have ridden with instructors, including one in a stock 2000
Boxster S (Pagid Oranges and Motul and R compounds), and
was astonished at how fast they can brake a car. Mine simply
will not do that.
Beats me...
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Yes that does sound strange, and it sounds like they've replaced some of the likely culprits. Have you had a chance to drive another GT3 with PCCB's like yours and see if it was different? I've driven the GT3 RS with PCCB's and it didn't exhibit behaviour like what you described albeit I didn't flog it for an entire session because it was someone else's car. Are there other control units they can replace such as the ABC unit, etc? Maybe one of them is having some sort of issue? Hard to tell. It would be interesting to see if our PCCB's could be adapted to a Cayman though. 
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PSM - Porsche Stability Management
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While it can’t overcome the laws of physics, the revolutionary Porsche Stability Management (PSM) system does lend an added degree of balance and control to the Cayman’s mid-engine driving dynamics, inspiring surefooted confidence in corners and extreme situations.
A standard feature on the Cayman and Cayman S, PSM continuously monitors steering input, road speed, yaw velocity and lateral acceleration to calculate the actual direction of travel. If the car begins to steer off line, PSM instantly intervenes with precision brake inputs on individual wheels to help bring the car back onto the driver’s intended path.
If braking alone isn’t enough to correct the vehicle’s cornering line, PSM then calls on the Cayman’s engine management system, adjusting engine output as needed to help stabilize handling. PSM can also compensate in an instant for mid-corner changes in load resulting from deceleration or braking. When Sport mode is selected with the optional Sport Chrono Package, PSM’s threshold for intervention is raised, allowing for greater driver involvement. If you prefer driving without automatic PSM assistance, the system can be set to standby at any time. In this case, it will only intervene under heavy braking, where both front wheels exceed the ABS threshold.
For all of its technical ability, PSM goes virtually unnoticed in everyday driving situations, preserving the Cayman’s natural agility. |
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02-23-2009, 08:40 AM
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Re: Who has Composite Ceramic Brakes (PCCB'S)?
Ken,
No, I haven't driven another. There is a Cayman with PCCBs who runs a lot of DEs and is very fast, much faster than I am. He runs stock tires and pads and has no braking problem (he says). (He does go off a lot and crashes now and then...)
I have spoken to GT3 guys with PCCBs and they have no problems,either.
The only other component in this car left that might be a problem is the ABS controller. I may be able to plead and whine enough at a dealer in Ft. Worth to get it changed as it might be considered a safety problem.
As I understand it, GT3s use an entirely different brake controller. It may even be adjustable for F/R bias, but I could be mistaken about that.
I have driven two Caymans at the track with regular iron brakes and both of them had soggy pedals, but neither guy complained about them. (This was just driving in the paddock,not at speed) Maybe I just expect too much, but as much as the magazines tout these as indefatigable brakes, that was what I expected to experience.
I still think something is wrong in this car but other than the ABS controller, there really is not anything else to replace.
Thanks for the thoughts, I do appreciate it.
All the best,
- Mark
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Cocoa top, Cocoa full leather interior, Sport
seats and steering wheel, PCCBs, PSE,
real Cayman 18 inch wheels and a delightful
3.4L engine with a new set of lifters which
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10-19-2009, 02:27 PM
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Re: Who has Composite Ceramic Brakes (PCCB'S)?
Lads i am trying to find the oem pads for PCCB anywhere?
Brakes where fine until i changed pads which i think they are not oem and something is very wrong after today's track day .
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