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03-09-2009, 07:21 AM
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Oilsafe kit (scavenge pump improvement) for 987 - 997
I fitted to my 987S boxster with 3.8 X51 engine, an oil safe kit, in order to cure oil starvation. The kit is develloped from TTP (ww.t-t-p.de), it costs 1100euro, net price. It consists of a hjeavy duty external sump which sends the oil to the other side of the engine when the car is cornering (especially left side corners).
I asked him about manthey's oilsafe kit and he told me that his kit (TTP's kit) is the same but TTP uses bigger oil pumps so that he can acieve more oil pressure. It is the same kit used in the Nurburing 24hour race with a Boxster.
I attach pictures of the installation.
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re: Oilsafe kit (scavenge pump improvement) for 987 - 997
Very nice. Thank you for sharing. Can you share a brief list of what the kit comes with?
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03-09-2009, 07:44 AM
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re: Oilsafe kit (scavenge pump improvement) for 987 - 997
An external pump, pipping, I do not know what else honetsly. Contact him if you wish, he can explain. I also fitted suncoast's X51 oil pan, which is not astandard in e.8 X51 in europe and oil pan extencion.
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06-12-2009, 09:57 PM
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re: Oilsafe kit (scavenge pump improvement) for 987 - 997
Originally Posted by mpowersurf
I fitted to my 987S boxster with 3.8 X51 engine, an oil safe kit, in order to cure oil starvation. The kit is develloped from TTP (ww.t-t-p.de), it costs 1100euro, net price. It consists of a hjeavy duty external sump which sends the oil to the other side of the engine when the car is cornering (especially left side corners).
I asked him about manthey's oilsafe kit and he told me that his kit (TTP's kit) is the same but TTP uses bigger oil pumps so that he can acieve more oil pressure. It is the same kit used in the Nurburing 24hour race with a Boxster.
I attach pictures of the installation.
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I'm not seeing this product on the TTP website. Does anyone else have any additional or updated information on sourcing, product description, pricing, etc.?
Thanks, Andy
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06-12-2009, 11:45 PM
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re: Oilsafe kit (scavenge pump improvement) for 987 - 997
Originally Posted by Andy (Portland, OR)
I'm not seeing this product on the TTP website. Does anyone else have any additional or updated information on sourcing, product description, pricing, etc.?
Thanks, Andy
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Andy, there are more details here, that a friend in Germany obtain from TTP
http://www.planetporsche.net/cayman-...tml#post341135
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06-13-2009, 07:00 AM
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re: Oilsafe kit (scavenge pump improvement) for 987 - 997
Thanks Gilles. I was a little confused, as the pictures show an external Pump, not an external Sump. This helps clarify. Perhaps the thread name could be edited to clarify?
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Re: Oilsafe kit (scavenge pump improvement) for 987 - 997
Originally Posted by Jeff G in NE GA
Thanks Gilles. I was a little confused, as the pictures show an external Pump, not an external Sump. This helps clarify. Perhaps the thread name could be edited to clarify?
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I agree. I thought the same thing when I was reading this. I have changed the name.
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06-15-2009, 08:36 AM
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Re: Oilsafe kit (scavenge pump improvement) for 987 - 997
Here is some information I just received from TTP (which included the same photo as posted above):
Hi Andy,
this pump is made for track use of a Boxster or Cayman. Enclosed picture
gives you an idea what we deliver. The installation takes approx 5 hours.
We can deliver from stock for EURO 1.450,00, shipping approx EURO 200,00.
Our system consists a 2nd return oilpump which is driven by the original
return oilpump in your cylinderhead. The problem of a Boxster/Cayman is,
driving fast in left corners. The oil in the cylinderhead goes, because
of zentifugal force to the front of the right cylinderhead. The original
return pump cannot bring back the oil to the sump, because it sucks air.
When there is not enough oil in the sump, the engine oilpump sucks air and
your engine dies. Our oilreturn pump is connected to the front of the
cylinderhead where the oil is, while cornering. So the oil can come back to
the
sump in this way, as our oilpump can catch the oil.
Best regards
Ferdinand Pietz
---TTP---
TTP Automotive GmbH
Turbo Technik Pietz
Pullach 4b
83059 Kolbermoor
Geschftsfhrer: Ferdinand Pietz
Tel: +49-8061-3 66 66
Fax: +49-8061-3 66 55
Mail: info@t-t-p.de
Web: TTP Automotive GmbH Turbo Technik Pietz
Registergericht Traunstein
HR-Nr.: HRB17794
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06-19-2009, 01:54 PM
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Re: Oilsafe kit (scavenge pump improvement) for 987 - 997
I just received my Kit from TTP, will be installing it next week and then back to the track after a good breakin of the new engine.
-Kevin
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06-20-2009, 08:16 AM
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Re: Oilsafe kit (scavenge pump improvement) for 987 - 997
I have been using the kit from TTP and I am very p[leased. I have done up to now 4.000hard km and I have not broken any engine yet... . I have also fitted a gauge to check the oil pressure and I will be visiting the track at some point to see what is going on in extreme conditions, but I do believe everything is solved now as the oil pressure nvever drops less then 2bar, even in long tight corners
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10-26-2009, 12:51 PM
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Re: Oilsafe kit (scavenge pump improvement) for 987 - 997
Install time of 5 hours? Total? Or is is 5 hours with an engine that is outside of the car?
$2500 US for parts, and at least $500 for labor
$3000 US better put in the MkII 320 HP CS cookie jar? Assuming the DFI engine has solved the problem.
That is a much higher percentage of the overall cost of the vehicle in the US, so I suspect that it will get more use in other countries. Makes a lot of sense in Greece, for example, where the car is literally twice as expensive. Interesting stuff.
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Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressureup to 1,740 psito accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injectors position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
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10-28-2009, 12:33 PM
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Re: Oilsafe kit (scavenge pump improvement) for 987 - 997
I shall report in this topic as well that I have used this system once with slick tires and twice with hoosier r6 and I havew had no problems at all, no drop in oil pressure and engine failure whatsoever. Furthermore, in this track I had my engine destroyed at the very first time I tried my on the track, before installing this system, so this is a huge improvement.
Dane, I do not know ehther 987.II with slicks will work, despite the 5 oil pumps. The problem of the car is at the return pump in left corners, I trully do not know whether Gen II have solved this. Trial and error is the way I think...
By the way you are right about the double price in Greece...but in any case I have paid to much money on my car by now, 3.8 X51 engine and everything fromt Tarrett, JIC Cross supencion, Quaife LSD, and muich much more, do not come standard even in GEN II ! SO I needed to solve the issue...
I want to thank TTP for constructing this pump, my car was the first car who tried it and thank GOD I can at last use my car as hard as I wish!
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A limited slip differential (LSD) is a modified or derived type of differential gear arrangement that allows for some difference in rotational velocity of the output shafts, but does not allow the difference in speed to increase beyond a preset amount. In an automobile, such limited slip differentials are sometimes used in place of a standard differential, where they convey certain dynamic advantages, at the expense of greater complexity.
The main advantage of a limited slip differential is found by considering the case of a standard (or "open") differential where one wheel has no contact with the ground at all. In such a case, the contacting wheel will remain stationary, and the non-contacting wheel will rotate freely the torque transmitted will be equal at both wheels, but will not exceed the threshold of torque needed to move the vehicle, thus the vehicle will remain stationary. In everyday use on typical roads, such a situation is very unlikely, and so a normal differential suffices. For more demanding use however, such as driving off-road, or for high performance vehicles, such a state of affairs is undesirable, and the LSD can be employed to deal with it. By limiting the velocity difference between a pair of driven wheels, useful torque can be transmitted as long as there is some friction available on at least one of the wheels.
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