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Old 02-09-2010, 07:14 AM
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Re: New 911 Turbo S Webspecial Out

Originally Posted by Jeff G in NE GA View Post
Sounds like we need to keep buying plenty of manual Porsches, so the sales numbers, and this trend, don't spread this disease to Porsche.
What you call a disease I call a breath of fresh air.

After my 2009 CS w/ PDK, I will never buy another MT car again.
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Re: New 911 Turbo S Webspecial Out

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What you call a disease I call a breath of fresh air.

After my 2009 CS w/ PDK, I will never buy another MT car again.
It would appear we won't have much choice
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Re: New 911 Turbo S Webspecial Out

If you take a 911 Turbo and add in all the goodies in the Turbo S, you get a car that is 1,000 Euros more expensive. The Turbo S is a bargain!!!
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Check the link; very interesting.

Porsche 911 Turbo S news - New 911 Turbo S - 2010 - BBC Top Gear

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Re: New 911 Turbo S Webspecial Out

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What you call a disease I call a breath of fresh air.

After my 2009 CS w/ PDK, I will never buy another MT car again.
Pls don't get me wrong - I think the PDK is impressive technology, is needed, has its place and advantages, etc - I just want the option of buying a manual. The 'disease' IMHO is the trend of offering only automated transmissions. Regards.
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Re: New 911 Turbo S Webspecial Out

Sorry about that, we're back in the 911 section now. I was merging a thread this morning from Cayman Chat and must have moved it in the wrong direction.
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Re: New 911 Turbo S Webspecial Out

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Funny you mention this, the first 997 GT3 (I have a thing for those) I ever saw back in 2007 was in the Hamptons and this guy kept on launching it hard up and down Montauk Highway. I cringed at one point where he kicked up some major gravel with one wheel off the road.
He must have dropping the clutch. The GT3 is the last in the Porsche line that is only available with a manual transmission. I think it might have something to do with homologation.
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Re: New 911 Turbo S Webspecial Out

Originally Posted by Jeff G in NE GA View Post
Sounds like we need to keep buying plenty of manual Porsches, so the sales numbers, and this trend, don't spread this disease to Porsche.
Well this is rare, I agree with just about everything thats been said here. i believe that the buyers on this kind of car can't drive a manual. Someone here can tell us what percentage of turbo's sold in 08 or 09 were automatics? My guess is that it was 70% or higher.
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Re: New 911 Turbo S Webspecial Out

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Well this is rare, I agree with just about everything thats been said here. i believe that the buyers on this kind of car can't drive a manual. Someone here can tell us what percentage of turbo's sold in 08 or 09 were automatics? My guess is that it was 70% or higher.
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My belief is that they can, but after trying a PDK, they'd rather not. Also, PDK holds up better than manuals on these high power cars. It's pretty easy to tear up a clutch with a couple of badly done hard starts. PDK can be wired so launch control only works so many times in a row and other schemes can be contrived to save the thing from abuse. Another advantage is that they're almost impossible to over-rev. Saves a lot of nasty arguments with high rolling customers.

That's the engineering side. The other side is that a lot of these customers don't drive the cars enough to care what sort of transmission is in it. The guys I know that can afford really high end cars like these new Ferraris are at the top of their ladders at work and aren't quitting until they drop. They make great money, have things paid off and can afford to spend this kind of money on a toy....and they know how to shift.

Don't confuse a PDK or Ferrari dual-clutch with an automatic. It will shift automatically, but it's direct like a manual and they're pretty fun to drive when you get used to them. I think there's a place for manuals, but maybe not in very powerful, very complicated and expensive to repair cars.

This dual clutch solves a lot of problems for the car makers and the dealers and gives the customer the ability to deal with the realities of congested roads better plus better performance and economy.

We all like a manual on a nice weekend drive or even in a little suburban traffic until we have to stop for a few too many lights or until we hurt the engine or clutch with a head-slapping mistake on the track. Doh!
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Re: New 911 Turbo S Webspecial Out

Sixisenuff that's one of the most intelligent postings I've read regarding PDK.
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Re: New 911 Turbo S Webspecial Out

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Sixisenuff that's one of the most intelligent postings I've read regarding PDK.
Gee wilikers, thanks!

Must be the new Macbook Pro talkin'. I went to the dark side recently and it's changed everything. My car has gained 25hp, my wife is even hotter and I've noticed ripples starting to form on my abs.

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Re: New 911 Turbo S Webspecial Out

Sixsenuff,

I agree good response. I have driven the PDK and if my driving habits involved a high percentage of stop and go traffic I would have gone with the PDK. Mine driving does not so I ordered the 6spd.

I should have said that a most of these buyers could not drive a manual. I think that it is a fact, that a large number of people in the U.S. under the age of thirty five do not know how to drive a manual. Even before the PDK came out, the majority of the so called high end sports cars that were sold the the U.S. had some type of automatic transmission. That was the point that I was trying to make and could have done a better job.

Only time will tell regarding how robust the PDK is. i hope thats it is a very robust unit, who knows thirty years from I may get tired of shifting and want one.
I have road raced high horse power cars with manual transmissions for years with the various Vintage Sports Car Clubs, and have never experienced a transmission problem. Saying that I should now go out and buy a spare tomorrow HA HA!.
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