Planet 9

**K-Man S** · #1 03-02-2009, 08:48 PM

So today I am on a plane to Washington D.C. again, the usual Southwest airlines trip and I'm on the leg from Chicago to D.C. As most people know it is open seating on Southwest, I board and plunk down in a seat and shortly after takeoff I'm looking through the seat pocket in front of me to see if the new airline mag is out because it is March (it is) but as soon as I pull back the pocket I am met with a full page photo of the Porsche Panamera. Huh? What's this? I pull out a thick magazine and discover the Porsche Post - the official magazine of the Porsche Club of Great Britain. Hey I'm going to the UK later this week, how is it that the club magazine ends up in the seat pocket of the flight I am on in the seat I happened to choose. (yes I checked some other pockets to see if there were any other copies and there were not). Is this one of those weird happenstance coincidences? or is someone somewhere toying with me and planted it to get me acclimated to the Porsche scene in the UK? Inquiring minds want to know...

**KS-CS** · #2 03-02-2009, 09:27 PM

That's pretty freaky - I'd have another

if I were you!

UtBldrBob · #3 03-02-2009, 09:34 PM

Geez, accoring to Wikipedia, as of July 12, 2008, Southwest operates approximately 3,500 flights daily. To me it sounds like one of those things that was just meant to happen! Other than wrong side of the road, what's IS going on in UK Porschedom?

**K-Man S** · #4 03-02-2009, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by UtBldrBob

Geez, accoring to Wikipedia, as of July 12, 2008, Southwest operates approximately 3,500 flights daily. To me it sounds like one of those things that was just meant to happen! Other than wrong side of the road, what's IS going on in UK Porschedom?

Well they had an interesting evolution of the 911 event at a recent car show with an example of every year present and an interesting article comparing the 911 SC to the 964 that came after it with some info I didn't know, and a recap of what each register and region within PCGB was up to. Very nice publication for a car club.

Oh and with respect to Southwest, they don't fly overseas so not sure how the magazine got there...

***DaveN007*** · #5 03-03-2009, 10:45 AM

Chalk it up to freakenstance.

I'll bet you couldn't wait to tell us! I am imagining you looking around the plane, thinking how no one else on the plane would get the point.

**MoWilson329** · #6 03-03-2009, 10:56 AM

Jeez.... I think maybe a new word is in order.....DESTENSTANCOIA. Sounds like a little bit of all three.

Ken, if I send you so money will you buy me some PowerBall lottery tickets???

In2Esses · #7 03-04-2009, 02:15 PM

Ken,

I was talking to a guy yesterday at the dealer who was buying a new Panamera, a GT3RS, and Turbo Cab, who said he had accidently left a cool foreign Porsche Magazine on a southwest flight after finding the winning $200million lotto ticket in the seatback pocket. He just got distracted I guess.

Anyway, finding his magazine is cool!

***Speedy*** · #8 03-04-2009, 02:29 PM

That's just plain 'ol karma - and you don't mess with good kind!

**K-Man S** · #9 03-04-2009, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by MoWilson329

Jeez.... I think maybe a new word is in order.....DESTENSTANCOIA. Sounds like a little bit of all three.

Ken, if I send you so money will you buy me some PowerBall lottery tickets???

Don't laugh, but one time in college I was working a liquor store as a night job (hey discounts on beer for the buds) and a couple walked in and they were going to buy a bottle of wine but thought it was too expensive so they got something else and we were talking and I said "tell you what, I feel like if you go across the street to 7-11 and get a lottery ticket you'll win so then you'll be able to get the bottle of wine." The couple laughed and walked out. 15 minutes later they came back and wanted to tell me that they had won $100 with the lottery ticket they bought. So I said Great, let me get you that bottle of wine, and they said - No don't need it we are going out for a night on the town, but thanks!.

Whenever I pick powerball numbers I do a lot better than letting the computer pick. I usually picked based on frequency, numbers that are overdue by the odds but distributed based upon some from what I call "piles" of numbers. it is a painstaking process, I need some software that can do what I want it to do to make the whole thing easier, then I'd play more and I'm sure eventually win it all... if I only had time...

**Bodhii** · #10 03-04-2009, 04:22 PM

There are not any "SUPERNATURAL" reality events. There never has been, and never will be. The universe follows the same perfect and constant natural laws that were stamped upon EVERYTHING at the moment of creation, (if there was such a moment.). No exceptions. Sorry, no "miracles." The natural flow of cause and effect does not change for anyone, ever. Not even for the good owners of fast yellow Caymans.

If you could remove yourself far enough away from that event into space, and then watch the natural flow of the millions of cause and effects related to the magazine arriving in that seat at a time when you discovered it, you would see absolutely NOTHING out of the natural order of things. Of course such understanding is complete insult and boredom for our very hungry human egos.

The biggest problem to understanding how everything works, is taking out of the equation how we personally WANT the universe to work.

RobMason · #11 03-04-2009, 10:03 PM

This is like explaining what happened before the big bang. Do you know what the sound was right before the big bang.

Oh, sh1t!

P987 · #12 03-04-2009, 11:06 PM

Airport=Homeland Security. K-Man-S, I think they have your profile. James Bond will pick you up at Heathrow in a Porsche instead of his Aston Martin.

gtscayman · #13 03-04-2009, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by K-Man S

Oh and with respect to Southwest, they don't fly overseas so not sure how the magazine got there...

There is a strange phenomena called 'transfers'. Someone from Europe must have snuck through Gnomeland Security with a contraband copy and left it there when a 'ski marshall' suspected that 'data originating from another country' was being imported. Panamera could be confused with 'Panama' or 'Columbia' and therefore drug related paraphernalia. That's my hunch.

I thought they had finished that 45,000 foot tall wall on the east coast? I think you're being set up.

fmarshall · #14 03-05-2009, 09:42 AM

It is simply Porsche marketing at work. They know that Ken is a hardline Porsche junkie. And so they watch his every move. That magazine was placed there by Porsche, just for Ken. He'll be plunking down $$ to get the first Panamera delivered to the US. And Leno and Seinfeld are going to be really, really upset.

**K-Man S** · #15 03-05-2009, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Bodhii

There are not any "SUPERNATURAL" reality events. There never has been, and never will be. The universe follows the same perfect and constant natural laws that were stamped upon EVERYTHING at the moment of creation, (if there was such a moment.). No exceptions. Sorry, no "miracles." The natural flow of cause and effect does not change for anyone, ever. Not even for the good owners of fast yellow Caymans.

If you could remove yourself far enough away from that event into space, and then watch the natural flow of the millions of cause and effects related to the magazine arriving in that seat at a time when you discovered it, you would see absolutely NOTHING out of the natural order of things. Of course such understanding is complete insult and boredom for our very hungry human egos.

The biggest problem to understanding how everything works, is taking out of the equation how we personally WANT the universe to work.

bodhii,

Does that mean there is no Freewill?

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Daytona · #16 03-05-2009, 11:19 AM

The magazine could have been left by someone trying to promote Porsche and the activities that surround it. Here is what I do all the time: I have a friend that owns two car magazines. As you can imagine I get a subscription for free. As a return favor, I leave the magazines on airplanes when ever I travel. I also leave the Free issue/subscription cards between the pages of the airline mag and any other mag that may be in the seat pocket. I know he has received subscriptions from around the world. I like to think that I have something to do with some of those. I do this to promote my friend's magazines and also the great activities and enjoyment that accompanies the automotive hobby.

**Bodhii** · #17 03-05-2009, 01:11 PM

Does that mean there is no Freewill?

Well, we are certainly stuck with thinking that there is FREE WILL. But if we had all knowledge of our individual brain and personality functions, every "decision" is really just another certainty of obvious cause and effects. There is no more "free will," than one domino has as it falls into the next, so on and so on, or a distant solar nebula has of burning itself out

Just because all the obvious relevant variables are very ambiguous to us since we are stuck with our very limited human perspective, it doesn't mean that our most murky, difficult DECISIONS are not completely crystal clear and obvious if we had a better perspective of all events.

All "predispositions" toward a choice, are actually absolute certainties IF we can identify correctly 100% of the influencing variables. Until that time, I think we are stuck into holding dear the ridiculous idea of "FREE WILL".

**BillC** · #18 03-05-2009, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Bodhii

Well, we are certainly stuck with thinking that there is FREE WILL. But if we had all knowledge of our individual brain and personality functions, every "decision" is really just another certainty of obvious cause and effects. There is no more "free will," than one domino has as it falls into the next, so on and so on, or a distant solar nebula has of burning itself out

Just because all the obvious relevant variables are very ambiguous to us since we are stuck with our very limited human perspective, it doesn't mean that our most murky, difficult DECISIONS are not completely crystal clear and obvious if we had a better perspective of all events.

All "predispositions" toward a choice, are actually absolute certainties IF we can identity correctly 100% of the influencing variables. Until that time, I think we are stuck into holding dear the ridiculous idea of "FREE WILL".

Well, there's some evidence that quantum mechanics may play a factor in the operation of neurons. Since quantum effects are as close as we can get to "pure" randomness, it's possible there might actually be something like "Free Will" that can't be predicted, because you would never be able to know all the input factors a priori.

gtscayman · #19 03-05-2009, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Bodhii

All "predispositions" toward a choice, are actually absolute certainties IF we can identity correctly 100% of the influencing variables. Until that time, I think we are stuck into holding dear the ridiculous idea of "FREE WILL".

Bodhii - I would say the concept of free will is about as ridiculous as the concept that we will ever have any hope of even getting close to identifying 100% of the variables.

For now and forever, Free Will = undefinable actual absolute certainty (as it applies to humans)

**K-Man S** · #20 03-05-2009, 08:12 PM

There are those who think that life has nothing left to chance take,
A host of holy horrors to direct our aimless dance.

A planet of playthings,
We dance on the strings
Of powers we cannot perceive
"The stars aren't aligned,
Or the gods are malign..."
Blame is better to give than receive.

Chorus
You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill;
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose freewill.

There are those who think that they were dealt a losing hand,
The cards were stacked against them; they weren't born in Lotusland.

All preordained
A prisoner in chains
A victim of venomous fate.
Kicked in the face,
You can't pray for a place
In heaven's unearthly estate.

Chorus

Each of us
A cell of awareness
Imperfect and incomplete.
Genetic blends
With uncertain ends
On a fortune hunt that's far too fleet.

Chorus