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11-08-2011, 07:07 AM
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Country: | | 2013 GTS and Diesel coming! A little birdy told me this weekend that the new Cayenne GTS and Diesel for the US along with Panamera Diesel will be announced this week...first US deliveries are due this June!  ...Already decided I want a Cayenne now must decide on either Diesel, GTS or S version
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Originally Posted by jcocx A little birdy told me this weekend that the new Cayenne GTS and Diesel for the US along with Panamera Diesel will be announced this week...first US deliveries are due this June!  ...Already decided I want a Cayenne now must decide on either Diesel, GTS or S version  | Thanks for the info!!
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11-28-2011, 09:21 AM
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Country: | | | Re: 2013 GTS and Diesel coming! I test drove a diesel with PNA a year ago. They brought some over to an event to test the reaction of existing Porsche owners. They were concerned about US bias against the diesel. It was a fine vehicle. While the torque was better, overall it reminded me of the V6 as far as acceleration, etc. (in sport mode). It however does get much better mileage, but I believe diesel cost is somewhat higher as well.
I get 18 mpg in stop and go around town driving and over 20 on my daily commute (slow moving highway mostly) and in the low 20s on trips. This is for the S version. I am pretty happy with the mileage given the weight of th vehicle (it has all the offroad options as well) and the engine size (400 hp V8).
By the way, most of the time I would not really miss the bigger engine. But when you want it, it is there ... and man is it quick for what this vehicle is.
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01-21-2012, 09:43 AM
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Country: | | | Re: 2013 GTS and Diesel coming! I am considering the diesel...not sure if i would be happy with it. Haven't had an opportunity to test drive yet. I want a vehicle capable of towing a trailer with the Cayman aboard. I need an all wheel drive all weather vehicle...It is nice to see the mileage you are getting on the S. I have a Magnum RT right now and it is getting 11MPG around town!...It's killing me. I was going to buy an S but now that they are bringing the diesel...I thought what the heck...as long as it would move out reasonably well...I want to try back to back test drives
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01-21-2012, 10:33 AM
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Country: | | | Re: 2013 GTS and Diesel coming! I have not driven the Diesel, but have driven the new base, S, and Hybrid all back to back. One far and away felt the best in city traffic - as if it had a PDK - and is the one I ended up ordering - the Hybrid.
My only complaint is the lack of the V8's Growl (coming from a Cayenne GTS with Sport Exhaust) but Remus has an answer for that   |  |  |  | | PDK - Porsche Doppelkupplung |  | (FAQ in Process)
Derived from motorsport, PDK, available for the 911 Turbo for the first time, achieves one thing above all else: it provides the perfect balance between uncompromisingly dynamic performance and exceptional levels of comfort. It’s purely about point of view. The driver’s especially.
The optional PDK with both manual and automatic modes enables extremely fast gear changes with no interruption in the power flow. For improved acceleration and significantly lower fuel consumption – without having to dispense with the advantages of an automatic.
The driver experiences a sportier, even more dynamic drive with more agility. Depending on driving style, gear changes range from exceptionally comfortable to exceptionally sporty.
Manual gear changes are performed using the PDK’s ergonomically designed gear lever or the switches on the steering wheel: nudge forwards to change up, pull back to change down. The logic behind the optional three-spoke sports steering wheel with gearshift paddles comes from motorsport: pull to the right to shift up, pull to the left to shift down.
PDK has been specially tuned to the characteristics of the new 911 Turbo models. It has seven gears at its disposal. Gears 1 to 6 have a sports ratio, with the top speed being reached in 6th gear. The 7th gear has a long ratio and helps to reduce fuel consumption even further.
PDK is essentially two half-gearboxes in one and thus requires two clutches – designed as a double wet clutch transmission.
This double clutch provides an alternating, non positive connection between the two half-gearboxes and the engine by means of two separate input shafts (input shaft 1 is nested inside the hollowed-out input shaft 2).
The flow of power from the engine is only ever transmitted through one half-gearbox and one clutch at a time, while the next gear is preselected in the second half-gearbox. During a gear change, therefore, a conventional shift no longer takes place. Instead, one clutch simply opens and the other closes at the same time. Gear changes can therefore take place within milliseconds.
Clutch 1 controls the first half-gearbox, which contains the odd gears (1, 3, 5, 7) and reverse. Clutch 2 controls the second, which contains the even gears (2, 4, 6).
The optional Sport Chrono Package Turbo with dynamic engine mount system provides PDK with two additional functions, ‘Launch Control’ and ‘motorsport-derived gearshift strategy’.
PDK – sporty, comfortable and efficient. Characteristics that have been given some thought elsewhere too: in the specification for the new 911 Turbo models. | |  |  |  |  | | 
01-21-2012, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jcocx I am considering the diesel...not sure if i would be happy with it. Haven't had an opportunity to test drive yet. I want a vehicle capable of towing a trailer with the Cayman aboard. I need an all wheel drive all weather vehicle.. | Any idea of the specs on the Diesel HP/Torque and expected mpg? I have no trouble towing my CS on an open steel trailer (see sig pic) with our V6, though admittedly, that is over relatively flat terrain most of the time. We average about 25-26 MPG on the highway normally, and around 15-16 hauling the Cayman (which is a lot better than I used to get with my Expedition).
I think that the diesel would make a nice long-distance tow vehicle (though I don't expect it will have any more towing capacity than the other models at around 7700 lbs), but I'm not sure how practical it is as a DD around town, especially since diesel fuel is more expensive than premium. | 
01-21-2012, 01:37 PM
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Country: | | | Re: 2013 GTS and Diesel coming! KineticFlow
Do you run with the electric motor manually set to be on? that may account for the smoothness...I read recently that unless you are really on the gas the motor doesn't engage but that you can engage it manually. What sort of mileage are you getting around town?
Here is a review that compares numbers on the V6 gas versus the Diesel...pretty comparable the diesel showing better mileage...have at look for Hybrid numbers 2011 Porsche Cayenne Diesel Pricing | Motorward
Towing capacity is the same across the board...
p.s. you can compare them on UK or Australia Porsche sites
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01-21-2012, 02:23 PM
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Country: | | | Re: 2013 GTS and Diesel coming! Here is what I get out of comparing the three models without quoting the hard numbers:
Performance: Hybrid wins...Diesel and Gas even
Mileage: Diesel wins(great numbers) then Hybrid then Gas
Weight: Gas wins the Diesel then Hybrid
Price: Gas wins then Diesel then Hybrid
This doesn't tell the whole story obviously but is interesting.
Hopefully by late spring or early summer I will get to drive them back to back KS-CS
What grade fuel do you run?
p.s. UK web site is indicating combined mileage of 39.2 MPG on the diesel, 34.4 mpg on the hybrid and 28.5 mpg on the gas v6
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01-21-2012, 03:02 PM
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Country: | | | Re: 2013 GTS and Diesel coming! Mine wont be here until end of April.
The electric motor is always on, the gas turns on and off as the computer (which handles this all masterfully) sees necessary. When you hit the "accelerator" the electric motor pulls instantaneously, and they have quite a bit of torque, while the gas engine/transmission catches up to the request.
I have 2 other PDK cars, and hopping in a Cayenne with a standard automatic transmission really makes you appreciate the smoothness and immediacy of the PDK... the Hybrid brings that to the SUV.
The diesel is going to be great for lots of torque and great gas milage on the highway, I cant imagine in the real world it could get better city MPG than a hybrid. If you want to go see what the diesel Cayenne would be like to drive, test drive a Q7 diesel...  |  |  |  | | PDK - Porsche Doppelkupplung |  | (FAQ in Process)
Derived from motorsport, PDK, available for the 911 Turbo for the first time, achieves one thing above all else: it provides the perfect balance between uncompromisingly dynamic performance and exceptional levels of comfort. It’s purely about point of view. The driver’s especially.
The optional PDK with both manual and automatic modes enables extremely fast gear changes with no interruption in the power flow. For improved acceleration and significantly lower fuel consumption – without having to dispense with the advantages of an automatic.
The driver experiences a sportier, even more dynamic drive with more agility. Depending on driving style, gear changes range from exceptionally comfortable to exceptionally sporty.
Manual gear changes are performed using the PDK’s ergonomically designed gear lever or the switches on the steering wheel: nudge forwards to change up, pull back to change down. The logic behind the optional three-spoke sports steering wheel with gearshift paddles comes from motorsport: pull to the right to shift up, pull to the left to shift down.
PDK has been specially tuned to the characteristics of the new 911 Turbo models. It has seven gears at its disposal. Gears 1 to 6 have a sports ratio, with the top speed being reached in 6th gear. The 7th gear has a long ratio and helps to reduce fuel consumption even further.
PDK is essentially two half-gearboxes in one and thus requires two clutches – designed as a double wet clutch transmission.
This double clutch provides an alternating, non positive connection between the two half-gearboxes and the engine by means of two separate input shafts (input shaft 1 is nested inside the hollowed-out input shaft 2).
The flow of power from the engine is only ever transmitted through one half-gearbox and one clutch at a time, while the next gear is preselected in the second half-gearbox. During a gear change, therefore, a conventional shift no longer takes place. Instead, one clutch simply opens and the other closes at the same time. Gear changes can therefore take place within milliseconds.
Clutch 1 controls the first half-gearbox, which contains the odd gears (1, 3, 5, 7) and reverse. Clutch 2 controls the second, which contains the even gears (2, 4, 6).
The optional Sport Chrono Package Turbo with dynamic engine mount system provides PDK with two additional functions, ‘Launch Control’ and ‘motorsport-derived gearshift strategy’.
PDK – sporty, comfortable and efficient. Characteristics that have been given some thought elsewhere too: in the specification for the new 911 Turbo models. | |  |  |  |  | | 
01-21-2012, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jcocx . . . KS-CS What grade fuel do you run?
p.s. UK web site is indicating combined mileage of 39.2 MPG on the diesel, 34.4 mpg on the hybrid and 28.5 mpg on the gas v6 | Premium (91 octane here in KS)
I'm sure that my mileage is somewhat adversely affected by the fact that I usually have the Cayenne in Sport mode, and drive it like my Cayman. | 
01-21-2012, 08:18 PM
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Country: | | | Re: 2013 GTS and Diesel coming! Per the German site the Diesel is about $1000 more than the gas when similarly equipped. 
Innerorts in l/100 km: 13,2 (17.8 mpg) Innerorts in l/100 km: 8,4 (28 mpg)
Außerorts in l/100 km: 8,0 (29.4 mpg) Außerorts in l/100 km: 6,5 (36.2 mpg)
Kombiniert in l/100 km: 9,9 (23.8 mpg) Kombiniert in l/100 km: 7,2 (32.7 mpg)
CO2-Emission in g/km: 236 CO2-Emission in g/km: 189
Höchstgeschwindigkeit: 230 km/h Höchstgeschwindigkeit: 220 km/h
Beschleunigung 0 - 100 km/h: 7,8 s Beschleunigung 0 - 100 km/h: 7,6 s
Beschleunigung 0 - 160 km/h: 19,7 s Beschleunigung 0 - 160 km/h: 20,0 s 
EUR 60.571,80 inkl. MwSt. (Gas with Tip) EUR 61.381,00 inkl. MwSt. (Diesel)
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01-21-2012, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by KineticFlow Mine wont be here until end of April.
If you want to go see what the diesel Cayenne would be like to drive, test drive a Q7 diesel... | Or a Toureg...which I might do soon but would really like to try the versions of the Cayenne back to back
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04-05-2012, 02:52 PM
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Country: | | | Re: 2013 GTS and Diesel coming! US Diesel Cayenne will debut at New York Auto show next week.
Build Your Own configurer is up and running on Porsche USA...base price is $55,750.
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Country: | | | Re: 2013 GTS and Diesel coming! Our 2010 Touareg TDI will rip off 29-30mpg on the highway all day long at 75 mph. It's averaged over 24 mpg in 27k of mixed driving since we got it. People have reported 18mpg towing a car to track events - which is why we bought ours. Our TDI only has the 6 speed not the new 8 speed which is reportedly better mileage wise.
It's considerbly quicker off the line and in at speed passing than a V6 thanks to over 400 ft. lbs of torque.
Wife liked the new Cayenne styling but passed because it wasn't a TDI. | 
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04-20-2012, 07:55 AM
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All tech specs of the nine Cayenne 958 modifications combined in one table.
Forget the Diesel. It's awful. Explained:
* The acceleration on a highway is a disgrace to a Porsche badge (nothing happens when you step on it at the highway speed)
* Humiliating engine sound
* Not a Porsche engine (add it to the fact that the complete body is made at the VW factory in Slovakia - can you breath on? If you can, you're not the "Porsche man").
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04-20-2012, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by James Herne Better click here
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All tech specs of the nine Cayenne 958 modifications combined in one table.
Forget the Diesel. It's awful. Explained:
* The acceleration on a highway is a disgrace to a Porsche badge (nothing happens when you step on it at the highway speed)
* Humiliating engine sound
* Not a Porsche engine (add it to the fact that the complete body is made at the VW factory in Slovakia - can you breath on? If you can, you're not the "Porsche man"). | You are really missing the point of a diesel. You seem to be advertising your site a lot.
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04-20-2012, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by James Herne Better click here
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All tech specs of the nine Cayenne 958 modifications combined in one table.
Forget the Diesel. It's awful. Explained:
* The acceleration on a highway is a disgrace to a Porsche badge (nothing happens when you step on it at the highway speed)
* Humiliating engine sound
* Not a Porsche engine (add it to the fact that the complete body is made at the VW factory in Slovakia - can you breath on? If you can, you're not the "Porsche man"). | I have yet to drive one but others that have have said the highway acceleration is great...better than the V6...due to the prodigious amount of torque this engine has...If I buy one it is not to try and make it a sports car but to use it for family adventures and as a tow vehicle...I am looking for all terrain capability...high mileage...long range...towing capacity...and lots of torque...not 0-60...the great handling would be a plus
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