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Cayman Club Sport Gets Green Light!

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#1 · (Edited)
Stuttgart - Porsche has officially given the green light to a new lightweight Cayman model variant due to debut for the 2012 model year. The Cayman CS or "Club Sport" will be shown at the Los Angeles auto show later this year and go on sale in 2011 as a 2012 model. The CS will receive some of the same treatment given to the recent Boxster Spyder such as lighter weight components, fabric door pulls, and a uniquely styled set of lightweight wheels modeled after those on the GT2 RS. Recent press reports indicated that this new variant was shown to Sales Managers in US and Europe at recent internal Porsche meetings and given the positive response from their dealership network Porsche has chosen to move forward with production.

A number of technical items have been circulated internally among the team responsible for this variant and include the following:
333hp 3.4L engine
Sport PASM suspension - 20mm lower than stock ride height
A/C, stereo are optional
162-184lbs lighter than stock Cayman S
Aluminum doors, fabric door pulls
Lightweight hatch, optional lexan window (europe only)
19" unique lightweight wheels
Sport bucket seats
Revalved steering assist
Locking rear differential standard
Uprated brakes (optional)
Restylized front fascia
Cayman Club Sport side graphics
Rear diffuser
Ducktail-style larger rear spoiler (fixed)
Club Sport Insignia badging in interior
Optional "Track Pack", includes partial roll cage, harness and fittings plus fire extinguisher (europe only)
Cited performance numbers - 0-62 in 4.6s
Base Price: $66,330
 
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#49 ·
Casey,
Since no official pic of the car has been shown, how do you know they "didn't" do that with the hatch? :) :) :)

BTW I wouldn't call the Boxster Spyder revolutionary, it is still 98% a Boxster S, it just has a different trunk and top mechanism along with other weight savings features, but is still mainly a Boxster S. Heck if you had the old speedster hump option for a Boxster S at first glance you might even mistake it for a Boxster Spyder. Don't get me wrong I like the Boxster Spyder, but from the specs I've seen the Cayman is getting similar treatment to the Boxster. Wouldn't a 904 style hatch be cool though? (Of course I'd have to claim infringement since I came up with that years ago) :hilarious: (Yes I know Studio Torino churned those out for RUF, but in a less than elegant and much more expensive fashion!)
 
#53 ·
Well I think part of that is because those other cars haven't been as available to be driven by the press, but yeah I concur there is something more unique about a Boxster Spyder than just another Turbo S, Porsche always does a Turbo S... snoozer, same for GT2, only the GT2 RS is interesting but it is so high priced that most magazine readers couldn't afford one yet it has none of the exclusive cache of say a Ferrari or Lambo special model, like say the 599 GTO. I'd take a 599 GTO over a GT2 RS any day of the week, so I'm assuming the rags just aren't that interested in it.

If Porsche had gone out to the ring and set some uber lap time with the GT2 RS and posted videos everyone of it and started up a stir, then maybe you'd see more interest in the car.

So what kind of interest do you think the Cayman CS is going to garner?
 
#54 ·
Perhaps i am numb to fast cars... 13more hp and probably 100lb less doesnt excite me. They wont be able to go to the extreme levels of the spyder as they sucked a ton of weight out of that because of the roof design and such.

I just sold a perfectly specced cayman S to a Cayman Club member which features most of the same features that the new car has, sans the lighter weight... It was a fantastic car and probably one that i would have owned myself(if it were white).

This new car will be trick, but how excited did people get over the Cayman Sport a few years ago... Yeah it is a great car, but is it a new model? No.

I feel the best part of the spyder is the suspension... My suggestion would be to have Porsche make this suspension an M030 option on all mid engine cars.... That would be awesome...

I am not downing the cayman either, many people that know me, know that I absolutely love the cayman and it it my favorite porsche of the last 25 years.

I will save a lot of my comments for when i can actually see the car... but if they released it with a larger bore motor and at about 2750 lbs i would order one myself.

ken, can you drop me an email about getting that news release up?
 
#55 ·
Perhaps i am numb to fast cars... 13more hp and probably 100lb less doesnt excite me. They wont be able to go to the extreme levels of the spyder as they sucked a ton of weight out of that because of the roof design and such.

This new car will be trick, but how excited did people get over the Cayman Sport a few years ago... Yeah it is a great car, but is it a new model? No.
Yeah, I am happy to see weight reduction, but would expect more power. Also dissapointing that lexan is European only option, I'm sure that alone would nicely add to weight reduction. The CS Sport had an extra 8hp over gen1 this will have 13hp over the gen2, ~3% and 4% increase respecively are almost low enough to ignore. Should be at least 20hp increase IMO. The styling and other tweaks are what really have my curiousity peaked.

I feel the best part of the spyder is the suspension... My suggestion would be to have Porsche make this suspension an M030 option on all mid engine cars.... That would be awesome...
+1, I would love to see this happen as well.

I will save a lot of my comments for when i can actually see the car... but if they released it with a larger bore motor and at about 2750 lbs i would order one myself.
I agree, extra weight reduction would be welcome and were the engine move up to 3.6L and with a bump of 25+hp I would no longer be discounting the power increase.
 
#57 ·
This car will be received well as it is the "super cayman". I sell cars too and we will probably have all of them sold before they arrive. Will be a good upgrade from a Gen1 car, but the gen 2 guys will likely wait until the next platform.

The Gen 2 cars are lightyears ahead of the gen 1 car. Couldnt be happier with the changes they have made and i know this new one will be a hoot as well!
 
#60 ·
The Gen 2 cars are lightyears ahead of the gen 1 car. Couldnt be happier with the changes they have made and i know this new one will be a hoot as well!
Yup...the mechanical traits of the 3rd generation should be the same (basically) as the 2nd generation...nothing earth shaking, I don't think. At least that's the justification for getting a clubsport!
 
#58 · (Edited)
I'm a buyer of this model. Both figuratively and literally.

The way I see it is this. The price diff btwn the CCS and a CS is $4850. On the CS, the cheapest 19" wheel option is $1500. The sport buckets are $3350 an LSD is $950. Those 3 items total $5800. (Adding A/C does tack $1800 back on the window sticker of the CCS though). If you were going to do the three mentioned upgrades on a CS anyway, it's a no brainer to chose the CCS and get a lighter car with 13 more hp, tweaked suspension/steering, etc.
 
#66 ·
Alright, so I think this thing has me about ready to trade in the E92 M3.

I've been looking at Caymans, the Boxster Spyder and a C2S for a while. The sport buckets, increase in power to weight and door pulls are a big sell for me.

My problem is, will the next gen be so much better that it's worth waiting? I can't even get a consistent read on when the next gen is coming. My lease is up in April 2011, will the next gen be annouced by then?

Oh, and to the guy who suggested they eliminate the rear drive Carreras, I'm the buyer who only wants two wheel drive. Much easier to observe and appreciate the smoke from my spin that way.
 
#68 ·
Oh, and to the guy who suggested they eliminate the rear drive Carreras, I'm the buyer who only wants two wheel drive. Much easier to observe and appreciate the smoke from my spin that way.
Then get a Cayman, Boxster, GT2 or GT3!

in my opinion the layout is like this:

Boxster - mid engined - doesn't need AWD
Cayman - mid engined - doesn't need AWD
Carreras/911 - rear-engined (A5S heavy) - need AWD for the road models
GT2 & GT3, are for track "professionals" who can handle the heavy AS5 and keep it from whipping out from underneath them!

I think they need to bump up the power on the Boxster S & Cayman S and let it fill the Carrera 2/ 2S 's spots. They can even increase the price a little bit, and include LSD as a standard option. The S's need a little more bite to them so people don't say things like "Boxsters are chick cars, they're slow... they're not real Porsches" etc. I hear **** like that all the time and its b/c the base models are a little too weak, and the S models are being held back as to not compete with the Carrera brand. There are a lot of people (like me) who prefer the styling of the Cayman to the 911, and if they made it more powerful would buy a $90k Cayman S maxed out, so what does it matter if they sell a $90k Cayman S Sport Deluxe or a $90 Carrera base. Either way its a $90k sale.

Boxster -- 265 HP
Cayman -- 275 HP

Boxster S - 325 HP
Cayman S - 335 HP - bump this up in power, price, standard features like LSD.

Carrera 4 - 350 HP
Carrera 4S - 390 HP

911 Turbo , S, etc
GT2/GT3
 
#69 · (Edited)
I have a Cayman RS/CS in waiting ;)

The car already has LSD, 6MT SS (lighter than PDK) Sport Seats, Softronic tune,...I can still improve this by an Exhaust, Plenum, light wheels etc... all with the comfort of a warm a$$ in winter & cool air in summer :taunt: :kiss:

Gen II is your everything :banana:
 
#78 ·
Do they modify the rear hatch for the Interseries cars? A lightweight hatch w/ Lexan would certainly take weight away in the right place. The Cayman S Sport was really just a cosmetic effort, not really in the same category as the proposed Cayman CS.
 
#84 · (Edited)
Hi all - another newbie here. Great site!
I just sold my 911CS (parked it too much) and was doing some online research leaning toward the Cayman S - now I may be leaning even further! Looks like a nice package to me as long as it REALLY has some substantive changes - definitely worth waiting for. Plus I need to save up my money since the housefrau has already earmarked the CS money for a house remodeling job.

P.S. Hi Grant!
 
#85 ·
Not sure if there have been any comments on the comfort of the sport seats, but having sat in the ones in the Spyder at the New York International Auto Show, I would strongly suggest that interested parties check them out particularly if the car is going to be a daily driver. I am 6 feet tall, 200+ pounds and, while quite comfortable for the short time I was in them, they were a challenge on entry/exit. In addition, the only adjustment is front/back and they are minimally upholstered...basically just a molded shell. While great for short stints around the track, not sure how they would be for multi-hour cruises.
 
#88 ·
I hope this car will end up with more than the claimed weight reduction which wont be making that much difference.

A 13hp bump? Factory desnork? Well it can only mean 13HP less to be had from tuning :( .
Factory should stick the 3.6 or 3.8L in and be done with it.
Guess we are never satisfied :hilarious: .
 
#95 · (Edited)
No, the most recent rumors from Germany indicate that the old Metzger motor is the only one that's up to race duty and they are going to continue to use it for the GT3 Cup, GT3R, GT3 RSR, GT3 RS (Street) and probably the base GT3 too in the next generation 911 (991).

The 9A1 block might be great and it certainly has run well on a test jig for many hours, but it has never been proven in a factory racecar, afaik. And there must be some reason that the racecars are continuing with the Metzger (true Dry Sump) motor.

My information may prove to be wrong, but this is the most reliable info I have heard.
 
#96 ·
Here is a excerpt of an interview with Andreas Prueninger who leads the GT team at Porsche:

Andreas Preuninger: "So, this is the motor -- like on almost every Porsche there's not so much to be seen because it's a Flat Six boxer motor and it lies pretty much hidden... but when you drive it, when you feel it, when you hear it -- that's what it can do best."


AP: "We have a 3.8-litre here -- we enlarged the displacement by 200cc on that car, adding a lot of torque to the engine, adding a lot of bite on lower and middle revolutions... You notice the difference right from the start, because there's so much more torque available between 1500 and 4000rpms -- that's the range you use the car normally in 90% of all street-going traffic -- that's where the car has a lot more bite than its predecessor. It's a lot more torquey, you end up being one gear higher always than in the last car."


AP: "The sound hasn't changed so much... a bit more volume in the sound -- I'm afraid it's got a little bit louder, when the exhaust flaps are open -- but I think our target group will accept that."


AP: "We increased the diameter of the pistons, so the stroke stays the same -- we have 102.7mm of bore, instead of 100mm in the old car and that adds up, on the same stroke, to 200cc more. So we can use the same crank and we just differentiated the rods... titanium rods. Even though the the piston is a lot bigger in diameter, it weighs less than the 100mm piston on the old car -- so we even found some weight despite increasing the diameter of the piston."


AP: "It is still the GT1-based engine with eight bearing points and seven oil suction pumps and a full dry-sump system, like in a race-car. So this is almost a race engine and it's up to any task on the race track."

Chris Harris: So the question I have to ask is why no DFI?

AP: "We wanted to stick with the GT1 motorsport block -- we need it for for homologation, because this is the block we race with and this is a homologation car and it needs the same block as well."

AP: "This car is really set up for race track use and that's why we intend to keep it for one more generation or maybe for even more, because customers love this engine... it has lots of character and the GT3 is all about emotion and character and this is what this engine can do best..."


AP: "We are absolutely sure that performance wise and for durability, this is the best choice for a GT car..."

Porsche 991 GT3 / RS engine preview...

A preview of the 2012 Porsche 991 GT3 / RS engine specification...

The Porsche 991 GT3 features a four-litre six-cylinder boxer engine delivering 480 hp (353 kW). In developing the 991 GT3, the emphasis was placed on increased performance, driveability and handling. A six-speed sequential gearbox transmits the power to the rear axle.

The development of the Porsche 991 GT3 is based on the Porsche 911 GT3 R racing car, using the extra-wide body and chassis. Thanks to a 0.2-litre increase in engine capacity, the 991 GT3 delivers 30 hp more than the previous GT3 RS model.

PREVIEW OF NEXT GT3:

Porsche 991 GT3 / RS engine specification:

Porsche GT1-derived motorsport engine
Six-cylinder boxer configuration, water-cooled
3996cc naturally aspirated flat-six
Four-valve technology
Dry sump lubrication
Stroke: 80.4 mm
Bore: 102.7 mm
Max. power: 353 kW (480 hp)
Required fuel quality: 98 octane, unleaded
Multi-point fuel injection (sequential)
Bosch MS 4.0 electronic engine management
E-Gas with 'throttle-blip' function
Race exhaust system with pre and final silencer
Twin-branched muffler with centered exhaust pipes
 
#97 · (Edited)
By the way, I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade here. I myself was fooled by the window sticker when I bought a brand new 2002 Carrera off the showroom floor. It clearly said "Integrated Dry Sump" on the window and I thought I was buying a serious track capable vehicle, only to learn the truth later. I just don't want anyone else to fall for that marketing language. Most buyers won't notice the difference, buy they should be educated about the truth in case it matters to them...

BTW, I have every reason to believe that the new 9A1 block is far more track capable than the M96 in my 2002 Carrera.
 
#101 ·
Let's face it, developing and testing any new engine design for racing purposes is a very expensive proposition. Porsche is sticking w/ the old Metzger block for racing and homologation because it's proven, which means no development costs and potentially embarrassing losses due to the inevitable gremlins that crop up w/ a brand new engine at the track. Bringing the 9A1 block to the track costs more than it's worth, plus the people who buy the GT3 and GT3RS demand that connection to the track cars for all sorts of reasons. ;) It's a win/win for Porsche to keep the old engine going for as long as possible. If the new Turbo had retained the Metzger block I would have been persuaded that both the 9A1 and PDK were not ready for prime time. Porsche simply cannot afford to risk selling a hand grenade in the Turbo and Turbo S to it's most numerous of affluent customers.
 
#110 ·
OK - getting back on topic: Ken's post referred to an optional brake upgrade. Do you think that refers to PCCB's (already optional on virtually every Porsche) or a larger metal system?
 
#111 · (Edited)
I just can't get excited about a few hp here and there. It's always maddening to me to drive the Cayman S on track and then the 911. The CS is so much the better balanced and more nimble, but the 65 hp deficit is a bummer. The Club Sport should have the 385 hp DFI engine along with the weight reduction and sport suspension. Gimme something to sink my teeth into. Thirteen hp? That's the equivalent of a set of headers.
 
#122 ·
Could not agree more, especially about driving a CS on the track and then the 911. The difference in handling is unbelievable, but the HP difference destroys the fun you have with the CS.
 
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