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    Re: Official 981 Boxster announcement & discussion thread (merged topics)

    I think the new Subaru BRZ is taking the direction of being fun to drive without having to be fast,
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    Re: Official 981 Boxster announcement & discussion thread (merged topics)

    I'm with you 100% MarkStudy:

    Is the 981 better than the 987 "in every way"?

    The "vast majority" usually go with the herd and the hype, so for them the new hot set-up always trumps the current model, and the future's Porsche always seems to be the best of all possible products. And that's exactly what the car manufacturer wants the consumer to believe, and what the toady press wants to write. THAT'S THEIR JOB! Do you really believe that the next generation will be better because they say so?

    A quick review of Bruce Anderson's Buyers Guide articles in Excellence (or any credible guide to buying a used Porsche) would suggest that from a historical perspective Porsche has had some great models in certain years, and more than a few others that were not so successful for a variety of reasons. (Lemons, anyone?) It always takes a while to get the bugs out, but since Porsche evolves their cars, they usually do improve over time.

    For the record I should disclose that I still own my 968, which was never a popular car, and will never be considered a classic. I do have the sales brochures to prove that Porsche was enthusiastic about the car when they built it. But I really don't care what anybody else thinks. The 968 is a beauty, its comfortable, and I love driving that car! The cabriolet is no where as good on the track as the 944S2 coupe, and it doesn't dart, dance and zip like the Cayman, but when the occasional dry day comes to western Oregon, the top goes down, the seat heaters and stereo get turned up, and this kid takes off for the coastal twisties with a smile on his face.

    I saw Miles Collier's 550-001 twice a week all last summer at the Portland Art Museum, and its difficult to find much fault with Gustaf's opinion of the those Porsche Spyders. But I did get down to Monterey CA last fall, and seeing bunches of 550, Carrera Abarth and 904 GTS models took my breath away. Rod Emory has also made some dandy outlaws that put many legitimate Porsches to shame. Not all Porsches built after James Dean's car are ugly.

    Seeing my pal Ken Bender's brand new 427 Cobra in 1966 was an epiphany. I didn't have $70, let alone $7,000, but I promised myself, one day...

    40 years later, when I saw the first pictures and videos of the CaymanS, I was immediately knocked out by the simplicity and elegance of the machine. The hips, the slope of the hood between the rounded front fenders, the smooth unadorned sides and straight line from nose to tail. My friend Win Casey told me "There is no excuse for anyone to buy a new Porsche. There are too many great used ones around." But I was in lust, and unlike my situation in 1966, there was a little extra change in my pocket. Kenny Bender liked my Cayman's looks, and Mr. Casey called it "the best looking Porsche designed car, ever."

    When I saw my nephew Carl Hertlein in Carmel in the summer of 2006, he said "Hey Uncle Denis! How about that new Cayman?"
    I answered, "Got one."

    I had the distracting rear deck's "Cayman S" script removed with dental floss, switched out the yellow side markers for the Euro clear ones, and mounted 19" Champion RS98 wheels, all before taking delivery. When Porsche offered the all red tail light lenses for Boxster and Caymen, those were installed. Seal gray metallic was discontinued shortly after the Cayman S was introduced, and though I briefly considered yellow, the more stealthy hue fits me better. The car came with silver spoiler lips in front (practically unnoticeable) but the stock exhaust tips were soon switched for an easier to keep clean chrome unit. The last gift the Cayman got was red seat belts, a small hint of heat that matches the brake calipers and above mentioned tail lights. Oh, there are other goodies inside, like a smaller Alcantara steering wheel and shift knob on the short shifter, the HIP clear engine cover exposing silver air intakes and the IPD plenum, and other mods, but most of that doesn't show.

    My point? The car looked great as delivered. It looks even better now. For me: less is more; simplify. Anything that distracts from the clean and obviously correct shape of the original Cayman concept should be eliminated.

    I haven't read all the reviews by those who have seen the new 981 Cayman. I do recall someone wrote the interior was "Horrendous", and lots of folks posting on this site seem less than dazzled. Maybe its just personal taste, or lack of same. And maybe, like the new 991, the Cayman version of the 981 will grow on me. I'm not afraid to change my mind, but so far the new look just leaves me limp.

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    Re: Official 981 Boxster announcement & discussion thread (merged topics)

    Quote Originally Posted by markstudy View Post
    That's the problem some of my Ferrari friends are finding also... The 458 is better than the 430 in every way, but its so good that you have to go to the track to make it break a sweat.

    One of the guys even traded his Ferrari 430 for a Cayman S because he felt the 430 was over kill for public roads in the USA. Too capable to get anywhere near the limits on a daily drive.

    Now I'm NOT saying that the 981 is going to be too much car for the street... but every-time a newer model finds a way to go around the ring 14 seconds faster, it becomes less fun for me to drive around town where you're lucky to spend a few seconds over 100mph's on a good day.

    I might be the only one... but my car scares me between 95 and 120mph. When I hear that the 981 will be more stable, faster, and have higher limits... I start thinking "Oh ****!" now I'm going to have to go between 120 and 150mph to get that same thrill. I don't have any roads where I can go that fast. Stop making cars "better"(faster around the ring with electronic driver aides) or I'm going to start buying older cars that use to scare the **** out of me at 70-90mph I wish someone would find a way to make cars more fun to drive everyday, instead of faster on paper. (Just got done reading my copy of Evo and they ranked the new 991 below the R8 and GTR because it gained speed but lost feel.)

    Looking forward to driving the 981 ... but I have a feeling the 987 is the car for me.
    That's a great point, and I agree. Good does not equal fun. Especially not when good means "more like a racing car". But I also think that the 981 promises to be just as fun as the 987 in the fun that matters department. It revs about the same (though I'm not sure if there are changes in gearing?), it is a bit lighter, still has the manual option, should have similar levels of grip (maybe a bit more, but nothing that can't be modified with tires), and on top of that consumes 15% less fuel. What's not to like? Except maybe the steering, but I feel less worried about that after watching the Harris review.
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    Re: Official 981 Boxster announcement & discussion thread (merged topics)

    Quote Originally Posted by gtscayman View Post
    I think the new Subaru BRZ is taking the direction of being fun to drive without having to be fast,
    Agree. I count it as one of the most important new cars in recent years, from any manufacturer.
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    Re: Official 981 Boxster announcement & discussion thread (merged topics)

    Quote Originally Posted by Car-rocks View Post
    Maybe its just personal taste, or lack of same. And maybe, like the new 991, the Cayman version of the 981 will grow on me. I'm not afraid to change my mind, but so far the new look just leaves me limp.
    Thanks for a thoughtful post. It is personal taste.

    The 981 is objectively a better car, but only on paper (lighter, faster, stiffer, more fuel efficient, etc.). It doesn't mean it is the better car for you or me.
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    Re: Official 981 Boxster announcement & discussion thread (merged topics)

    One item I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around is how the new 981 tail light treatment where the lights and spoiler make a combo together will work with the hatchback of the Cayman. People have already criticized it on the Boxster where it is just a relatively flat sloping trunk, but I'm thinking a more sharply sloping hatch that ends up in this little flare of a tail light treatment is not going to be very good looking or flow very well. I could be wrong but trying to wrap my head around it comes up with some puzzling visuals.

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    Re: Official 981 Boxster announcement & discussion thread (merged topics)

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    I could be wrong but trying to wrap my head around it comes up with some puzzling visuals.
    I agree that you could be wrong.

    I expect it to work better on the Cayman. It reminds me of the classic ducktail. Always looked better on the coupe than on the cabriolet.


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    Re: Official 981 Boxster announcement & discussion thread (merged topics)

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    Re: Official 981 Boxster announcement & discussion thread (merged topics)

    Thanks - More pictures of the Racing Yellow one please!

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    Re: Official 981 Boxster announcement & discussion thread (merged topics)

    Quote Originally Posted by Northernsouler View Post
    I agree that you could be wrong.

    I expect it to work better on the Cayman. It reminds me of the classic ducktail. Always looked better on the coupe than on the cabriolet.


    Gustav:

    I am not and have never been a fan of this ducktail design. I understand these cars were lighter and faster than the normal 911s of the day. I understand that from an aero standpoint, the tail made some useful down-force. That might make them work better but neither this tail nor the whale-tail of the turbos does a thing to make the cars look better.

    Just because a rare car has a certain feature, doesn't make the feature look good. The general aesthetics of the plain 911 of that vintage is a much better looking car. Porsche fans only worship those ducktails from a historical/fast car/rarity/collectibility perspective.

    I remember the days when people were installing fake whale-tails on their SCs. I thought it was kind of sad at the time. Still do.

    Put me in the group with Car-Rocks...Love driving Porsches but don't love the actual cars except for the Cayman. I also love the Boxster's driving dynamics but the Cayman's are better. Plus, I'm just not a roadster person and the Cayman looks better to me. I can't vote on the 981 until I actually see one. I have been fooling with the 3D configurator on the Porsche site and I'm getting fonder of the look. If I were driving one every day, I might appreciate some of the extra creature comforts and room and the longer wheelbase. My Cayman is pretty special to me. Would take a lot to get me in a new one.
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    Re: Official 981 Boxster announcement & discussion thread (merged topics)

    My brother Pat's girl friend had a hair style known as a "D.A.".
    We asked him about it, and he said it meant "DUCK TAIL".
    Brother Jim said, "DUCK TAIL, huh? Wouldn't that be a D.T.? A 'D.A.' would be a Duck's ***, wouldn't it?"
    Chaos ensued.
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    Re: Official 981 Boxster announcement & discussion thread (merged topics)

    These car critics remind me of certain web forums.

    What kind of baboons would do this to a Hyundai i30 hatchback?
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    Re: Official 981 Boxster announcement & discussion thread (merged topics)

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckb View Post
    These car critics remind me of certain web forums.

    What kind of baboons would do this to a Hyundai i30 hatchback?
    Those Hyundai's are tough little cars!

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    Re: Official 981 Boxster announcement & discussion thread (merged topics)

    Sadly the ducktail has become a rather unattractive cliche thanks in part to Porsche's desire to imitiate itself. I never liked the whale tail even on the 930, but it was particularly ugly on the Targas and Cabs. At least it had a reason to be there on the Turbo.

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