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06-08-2008, 07:22 AM
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So Whats The Verdict On The 997 ?
Now we have all had some time to digest the the new facelift 911 Carrera,did Porsche get it right or get it wrong.
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New engine design and DFI definitley the right step.
PDK,a great option if you so desire.
New Navigation,bluetooth, Ipod etc,helleluah!
Dynamic cornering lights?
New colours?
Etc,Etc.
Do love those new Carrera mark 2 rims!
Does anyone want to guess what will be transposed into the next CAYMAN?
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Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control. |
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06-08-2008, 07:41 AM
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No Intermediate Shaft.....good move
Improved oiling....jury is out until it is proven on the track
MP3/IPOD...finally
ventilated seats....also overdue
From a financial standpoint if my low mile 996 cab was worth anything signifigant I would trade it on an new Xster when the technology trickles down to it
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06-08-2008, 08:17 AM
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Widened appeal vs. Cayman/Boxster.
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06-08-2008, 08:22 AM
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06-08-2008, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by gazza
Now we have all had some time to digest the the new facelift 911 Carrera,did Porsche get it right or get it wrong.
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Well, IMO they wimpified it.
Ventilate seats  how strange
Heated steering wheel
Who needs a heated steering wheel? Are your fingers too cold and can't put some gloves on?  I'm waiting for the massage power seats.
Cornering lights are good but they got rid of the fogs? What if its foggy out? Seems like a step backwards. Why would they get rid of fogs?
Actually, I think they are moving the 997 line of cars, away from being sports cars, more into luxury GTs. It will be the GT line of 911s that remain the true sports cars.
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06-08-2008, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by chows4us
Well, IMO they wimpified it.
Ventilate seats  how strange
Heated steering wheel
Who needs a heated steering wheel? Are your fingers too cold and can't put some gloves on?  I'm waiting for the massage power seats.
Cornering lights are good but they got rid of the fogs? What if its foggy out? Seems like a step backwards. Why would they get rid of fogs?
Actually, I think they are moving the 997 line of cars, away from being sports cars, more into luxury GTs. It will be the GT line of 911s that remain the true sports cars.
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Ventated seats are great! A few of my friends have them in their cars, and when you have black leather that has been sitting in the sun for a while, it does make the seats more comfortable.
Long ago the 911 switched from being a true sports car to more of a GT. But that is what the public wanted. All cars along the price spectrum have become more luxury oriented. Compare todays the amenities of todays Ford Focus, Toyota Yaris, etc to a Caddy from the 1970s.
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06-08-2008, 10:57 AM
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They've been moving the 911 into a GT car more and more over the years. It's just the direction they're heading in. But I like the PDK option and the DFI. Hopefully, the new oil system will work out.
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Direct Fuel Injection (DFI), is a new technology that Porsche states can cut fuel consumption by up to 15 percent, while increasing power by up to 13 percent. DFI cuts emissions by warming up the catalytic converter more quickly, and ensures a sharper throttle response. Better for your right foot - and the planet, then.
DFI allows much more precise measurement of fuel supply and injection at pressures up to 120 bar; it has numerous combustion modes, with different cycles for cold-starting, low-speed driving and performance driving.
As the name suggests, DFI injects fuel directly into the individual combustion chambers, instead of the intake manifold. The injector valves have an electromagnetic mechanism that controls each injection with astonishing precision, while a high-pressure pump provides the necessary pressure—up to 1,740 psi—to accompany the rapid fire of the fuel injection.
Precise geometry of the injector’s position and its spray pattern is a key factor in helping to improve power, torque and emissions of the engines. The specific placement of the fuel as it enters each chamber creates a swirl that improves the air/fuel mixture, and therefore the overall combustion process.
At engine speeds up to 3500 rpm, a double-injection process is used. In this mode, the required fuel volume is delivered in two successive injections per working stroke. The resulting benefits include faster catalyst warm-up and increased torque in the upper load range.
By forming the air/fuel mix directly in the combustion chamber, DFI contributes to engine cooling. As a result, it is possible to increase the compression ratio and with it the power and efficiency of the engine.
The direct injection process is continuously adjusted. The engine management system reads changes to throttle inputs and performance requirements and, as you drive, the air/fuel mix is monitored and adapted as required. Oxygen sensor circuits within the exhaust system provide accurate emissions control. |
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06-08-2008, 11:33 AM
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applaud bixenons as standard
I agree, but I do like the standard bixenons and applaud Porsche for doing so.
makes up for half of the price increase
new colors? thought I saw a Macadamia with Terracotta or Carrera Red interior in one of the promo shots??
Originally Posted by chows4us
Well, IMO they wimpified it.
Actually, I think they are moving the 997 line of cars, away from being sports cars, more into luxury GTs. It will be the GT line of 911s that remain the true sports cars.
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06-08-2008, 11:43 AM
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There's a new special 'cream' white that looks hot. Also a new blue (Aqua) replaces Cobalt.
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06-08-2008, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Papa in Austin
I agree, but I do like the standard bixenons and applaud Porsche for doing so.
makes up for half of the price increase
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06-08-2008, 12:35 PM
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The mechanical and interior updates are all awesome.
Love the front bumper redesign (it was the least favorite aspect of the first gen 997), and the new Carrera 2 wheels.
I'm not as crazy about the tail light re-design (I prefer the lines on the outgoing model)...but they're not as ugly as in the spyphotos. I could get used to them.
All in all, I think it's a great update.
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06-09-2008, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by chows4us
Actually, I think they are moving the 997 line of cars, away from being sports cars, more into luxury GTs. It will be the GT line of 911s that remain the true sports cars.
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That's ironic, the "GT" line are the sports cars among the normal "non GT" 911's 
Back to topic, I do like the facelift, especially PDK and the new PCM, also the LEDs do look nice, as well as the double lens headlights. The new wheels are not my cup of tea though!
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Ventilated seats? I like that idea esp when going to the track on a 40C day.
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06-10-2008, 07:23 AM
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I like the update
Being a SPORTS CAR enthusiast, I like the new engine--->100bhp per litre that revs for ever. If you are a big fan of Al Gore, you can even brag that the 911 is the greenest junior supercar out there---the 3.6l only emits 225 co2 which is same level with today 2.7l cayman!
Dislike
1. Increase weight---Need more aluminium parts
2. Cheap looking alloy wheels
3. Mean standard equipment-- Sports exhaust, chrono and PASM should be standard
Don't mind the more GT orientated among us paying extra for luxuries such as
PDK,heated seat, heated steering wheels, 20 speakers hi-fis, in-car TV etc....
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PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management
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This active damping system offers continuous adjustment of individual damping forces based on current road conditions and driving style.
The driver can choose from two setup modes, ‘Normal’ and ‘Sport’, using a separate ‘damper’ button on the center console. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for general road driving and circuits with uneven tarmac. ‘Sport’ mode is intended for smoother track surfaces, where the harder settings help eliminate pitch and roll.
In either mode, PASM continuously evaluates the current conditions while automatically selecting the corresponding damper rates from the respective set of mapped values.
A range of sensors are used to monitor the movement of the body under acceleration, braking and cornering maneuvers, as well as on poor road surfaces. The PASM control unit then evaluates this data and modifies the damping force on each individual wheel in accordance with the selected mode. The result is a significant reduction in body movement as well as a better grip on the road.
For example: if ‘Sport’ mode is selected, the suspension is automatically set to a harder damper rating. If the quality of the track surface falls below a certain threshold, the system immediately changes to a softer rating within the ‘Sport’ setup range. When the quality of the tarmac improves once more, PASM automatically returns to the original, harder rating.
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06-13-2008, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by suneet
There's a new special 'cream' white that looks hot. Also a new blue (Aqua) replaces Cobalt.
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it is rather sad, though, that they've essentially taken the old non-metallic ivory white (or whatever porsche called it; that was the mercedes name) from the 60s/70s and are now charging a premium for it as a "special" color. wtf is up with that? it's not such a sophisticated, difficult to achieve finish, is it? or have they changed something that makes it more lustrous than the ivory/creme white of old?
that said, it's truly a gorgeous color. that, with a sea blue interior and perhaps the model designation strip along the lower doors in either black or dark blue, would just be the cat's pajamas. and i'm talking about on a cayman s.
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06-15-2008, 07:11 AM
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Porsche has my order for a Sept build:
C2S
Guards red
Sports seats in leather
Heated seats
Self-dimming mirrors
Mats
PDK
Sport chrono plus
Nav for PCM
Universal audio adapter
Can't wait for it! I'm particularly excited about the PDK w/launch control, even though a journalist reported the current version can only handle 325 lb ft of torque (which is close to max torque on the S). Hopefully that's not true. If it is, then I'm hoping that whatever changes are made for the turbo/gt3 can be installed in the C2/C2S.
As for GT versus sports car, I wish they'd get rid of the back seats. I don't need fake back seats, I'd rather just have the luggage space. I did want the space though (I'm 6'4").
I looked at the Corvette z06 and in comparison to the 2008 911S with sport seats it had about an inch less headroom and I felt a lot like I was wearing the car instead of sitting in it.
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