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    My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    As requested by Josh from TPCicon here it goes some figures about TPC turbo kit end result. Josh I woud like to hear from TPC what you think about it.
    Looking at the numbers we couldnīt find something very wrong (apart from power, of course) , the end result is very close to Vivid Racing project.


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    TPC Track Pack ( It didnīt work, I had to build and replace for a
    bigger one as you can see in the picture)

    Gas used:
    95 Octanes (RON method)

    Ambient Temperature:
    27 C = 80.6 F

    Power result:
    286.7 KW = 384.31 Hp at the flywheel

    MAF at full throtle = 78


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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    OMG!!! There must be something horribly wrong!!!

    EVOMS RS 350 would have been a far cheaper and better choice in this case. I am nailed to this thread now.
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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    Hello HassaanAbdeen,

    Wow there is defiantly some problems with that dyno. It is showing about 380 BHP , this is about 100 HP to low..

    There are big drops in the low end of the power range.. this should be overall a very smooth upward arc to max hp. There should only be little fluctuations, not big drops as this shows..

    BTW, I did the install at my house with help from a few people on the board. Although I have had a few small issues, overall it has worked as planned.

    After looking at that dyno run I would have to say something is not right with that install...
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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    Dear FrankinCayman, thank you for your concern but the OP is not me! It's MichelN who has been having issues with his car for a long time now too. As for my Villainess she is in the recovery room right now waiting for the green light from Mike this coming Monday to put her on the treadmill (Dyno) and confirm she has fully recovered before shipping her back to me.

    As for you dear MichelN, it is very clear that the problem of oil leakage has not be fixed yet. And whether it was resolved or not, the results you got from the dyno are a clear indication that the installation of the kit is not right. And to be honest, I don't see TPCicon can help you unless you get your car back to the installer and have Mike walk him through the inspection... and my advice -with all respect to TPC staff- is to have no one but Mike to do that.

    I don't think anybody here can feel your pain like I do. But that's the price we have to pay for modifying our cars

    Keep us posted... and the bright side for all of this, is that the car will excite you far more with its performance when it's done right; that's what how I maintain my sanity
    "Remember, it only took Marty Mcfly 88mph to travel through time in the DeLorean! I would hate for you to accidentally land in a time without petrol!" ...JB

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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    [QUOTE=FrankinCayman;490192]Hello HassaanAbdeen,

    Wow there is defiantly some problems with that dyno. It is showing about 380 BHP , this is about 100 HP to low..

    More like 160 too low.... Again.......... done so far away with people that are so far "out there"...... Mike should re-consider selling to people who cannot READ directions; professional or not -- did I say READ?

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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    Quote Originally Posted by peter f cummiskey View Post
    Mike should re-consider selling to people who cannot READ directions; professional or not -- did I say READ?
    Peter, your post is really very surprising and disappointing! You and I have corresponded in the past with each other. And you have been nothing less than a respectful gentleman but I am not sure what triggered this response from you now! Was it a bad day?

    If your car was turbo charged with no issues from day one then you are absolutely one of the very few lucky ones if not the only one. I have received several PMs from gentlemen on this forum (didn't go public with their problems) who had their kit installed by TPCicon themselves and had issues for sometime until TPC again resolved it for them. One of the gentlemen got help from another tuning expert to solve his problems.

    As for "those" who don't READ! Trust that we who had issues with TPC kits DO READ... not only we speak English but we are multilingual. As for my installer please note the following:
    1) My shop is Porsche Dealer for the Central Region, not a cheap tuning shop!
    2) The Service Manager is Lebanese and speaks Arabic, English and French.
    3) The Technician who handled my car is German and speaks German, English and French.
    4) The assistances from different Asian countries do speak several languages in addition to English.
    5) While the installation of your kits did cost you a couple of thousand dollars, the installation of my kit went sky high!

    Dear Peter, it is no shame that we are having issues with our turbo kit. It is no shame that our installers "might" have made a mistake. But it is a shame if it doesn't get solved with all the professionals (from TPC and Installers) involved for months!!!

    You and most happened to be TPC's next door neighbors. Your kit's issues can be solved faster and cheaper while we -distant clients- suffer longer and pay much more! As for me -who cannot READ- wanted to ship my car from the Middle East to USA then have it shipped back for the sake of having this TPC kit on his car.

    Now after going through all that trouble, do you still think we don't qualify to be TPC clients because we are people cannot READ?
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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    Don't get desperate, if the mechanical is ok (and please make sure you triple checked everything, band clamps, etc.) then its a matter of tweaking. I am no expert but have been upgrading, superchanging (incliding turbos) engines for a very long time. I tell my friends to understand and follow basic guidelines

    1. research any engine upgrades before commitment.
    2. try to be realistic with the outcome.
    3. understand that there is no such thing as a "bolt-on".
    4. do a baseline dyno before any upgrades.
    5. don't forget suggestion number 4.
    6. be patient and follow thru, recheck the mechanical stuff.
    7. if things are not going according to plan, do more research.
    8. network with members that have gone thru similar upgrades.

    Keep at it, you will get there!

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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    BTW, I had a flashback with the dyno picture... my 1991 286 Compaq Portable PC! Is there another dyno nearby?

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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    HassaanAbdeen, thank you for your support. Actually I was about to give up getting the power promised by TPCicon Kit when you started the thread about your problems so I decided to try again.

    blackcrow, Thankīs for the tips. About the dinamometer it is a 3 years old Bosch. There are many others but as I have already tryed another and the resut was very similar I am not concerned about that. We have already checked 3 times, in the beginning I suspected the problem was the isntaller, changed the shop but the result ainīt change.


    peter f cummiskey, have you seen the Vivid Racing project thread? they have got worse figures than I. Do you thing they can READ? Well, I thought they were americans... Why didnīt you reply their thread?


    Well guys I īm here not to fight anyone (although my Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is very good ) but to clarify where or not is the problem. Many who had their kitīs installed by TPC , as FrankinCayman, had issues as well.
    It would be great if TPC provide us some "Trouble shooting guide" with the most common install mistakes, it would help a lot!

    What intrigues me and the performance speciallists here in Brazil is that the numbers: MAF, Ignition time, temperature and others are very good. The car is running great, we donīt have any error code, not even an C.E.L. wich is very common with catless headers.


    Letīs wait for TPC.

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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    MichelN, we lost so much money and long sleepless nights to give up at this stage. It could be something so simple or basic that is affecting the over all promised result.

    I could be the worst mechanic on this forum to give you advice (in addition to Flea of course ), but I'd recommend the following:
    1) Have the leakage issue resolved. Since you wrote you have oil leak problem, this means the kit is not performing.
    2) DON'T BE THE MIDDLE MAN => Have your installer call Mike and give Mike a chance to walk him through what is it to be done.
    3) Take plenty of pictures and (videos if necessary) of the kit. => Email them to Mike and share them on this forum in order to examine the leak, missing parts or mistake.

    Seriously, it could be something so simple!!! In the case of member Limited Edition it turned out to be a forgotten unshipped kit part. In my case it turned out to be a conflict between the Profec B Boost Control manual and TPCicon's Chart.

    Stay on this forum as well... I see you are new here. The members are very supportive and kind. Even Peter has been so too. He must have had a bad day.

    If you feel so depressed and angry. Just take a deep breath... leave the car in the garage for few days. Forget about it, then have your mechanic (not you) address the matter with Mike.

    Cheer up... the worst thing that can happen to your Gator for now is that it gets beaten by a Miata but once it gets powered up on its wheels, you'll be so close to a "BULL" that you can bite its balls! I was at his tail once, next time I plan to become his matador !
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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    HassaanAbdeen, you are funny man. Nice words!!
    The leakage turned out to be the result of extreme "G" forces when pushing very hard at the track, iīm using a modified suspension and Pzero Corsa tires.
    The TPCicon Catch can doesnīt have baffles inside so the oil is thrown easily at high G forces. We have made many tests. It only throws oil through the vent filter at the track.
    Guy_H, told me he is having this problem since went racing with his Cayman.
    In the straights, even at full aceleration, it doesnīt drop a drop
    .


    Dou you know what part was the problem of Limited Edition?


    Hassaan, I canīt wait to see your Dino Chart, please share it when possible.

    For while, I will keep myself away from Miatas!!!

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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    peter f cummiskey, have you seen the Vivid Racing project thread? they have got worse figures than I. Do you thing they can READ? Well, I thought they were americans... Why didnīt you reply their thread?


    I just went thru that thread and they loved it -- advertised it at 480 hp and watched their driver review -- what are you looking at..........
    Last edited by peter f cummiskey; 10-03-2010 at 02:43 PM. Reason: spelling

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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    Peter, Iīm looking at this thread. Wasnīt the result 315 rwhp?
    Again Peter, Iīm just trying to get some help.

    http://www.planet-9.com/tpc-turbo-ki...omparison.html

    If you prefer:

    Turbo Boosted Porsche Cayman Project Begins - Page 2 - Vivid Racing

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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    Quote Originally Posted by MichelN View Post
    Peter, Iīm looking at this thread. Wasnīt the result 315 rwhp?
    Again Peter, Iīm just trying to get some help.

    http://www.planet-9.com/tpc-turbo-ki...omparison.html

    If you prefer:

    Turbo Boosted Porsche Cayman Project Begins - Page 2 - Vivid Racing
    I forgot about that post... you'll notice I responded after that; stating mine vs. their poor results... I have had my car independently dynoed in New York as well, and that Dyno exceeded TPC's. So all I can say from this point on is that I just do not undestand how or why........... installation and Dyno testing issues with outside shops...

    I am going to talk to Mike Levitas tomorrow regarding this specific thread, see if he will review it and get back to me.... I will post his responses and pass them along as well as on your name and experience...
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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    I have been conversing with Michel for a couple days now.

    This is the "data" that I was initially sent
    YouTube - IMG_0007.MOV

    I have informed Michel that this is unfortunately not adequate for us to be able to properly diagnose his car.

    What we instructed him to do was to procure a Porsche Diagnostic Tool(Durametric,PIWIS cable, etc.) so that he could properly log the data from his car.

    This way we will actually be able to review all of his data, and help him troubleshoot his installation!

    *************
    We understand it is not the buyer's fault in either of these circumstances. Both of these gentleman, Hassaan and Michel, speak fantastic English, and I don't believe for a second that we have had a problem with a language barrier. The problem in these instances seems to be with the installers.

    We are working with both Hassaan and Michel, and their respective installers, to get the issues with both of their cars sorted out.

    As a result of these events, we are going to be establishing a technical assistance section of the forum so that we can provide better assistance to customers having issues with their vehicles! In this section we will go ahead and also compile a list of common problems and solutions.

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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    Did this get resolved? What was the issue?

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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    Quote Originally Posted by MichelN View Post
    Dou you know what part was the problem of Limited Edition?
    It was a check valve.

    I truly wish your car's problem gets resolved and start marking its territory just like a predator
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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    Hey guys, Iīm arranging a Dyno run next monday to get all the data requested by TPCicon. As soon as I get news I'll post here.

    I have to say that Josh from TPC has been supportive!

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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    Quote Originally Posted by MichelN View Post
    Hey guys, Iīm arranging a Dyno run next monday to get all the data requested by TPCicon. As soon as I get news I'll post here.

    I have to say that Josh from TPC has been supportive!
    Fantastic!

    As soon as you get the data, email it over to me, and I will personally make sure it gets to Mike ASAP!

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    Re: My TPC turbo Kit Dinamometer Chart

    Quote Originally Posted by MichelN View Post
    Hey guys, Iīm arranging a Dyno run next monday to get all the data requested by TPCicon. As soon as I get news I'll post here.

    I have to say that Josh from TPC has been supportive!
    Any update?
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