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Old 01-07-2009, 07:44 PM
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So I have had my car for about 3 years now (nov.2005). I had the 2 year 20,000mile service even though I have 13,000miles on the car. OK here is the list of my problems with the car...
1. passenger side window goes halfway up then down automatically.
2. fuel door doesn't lock.
3. horn blew out.
4. one of my o2 sensors are bad.
5. e brake loose.
6. brake pedal feels spongy/soft.
7. steering wheel vibrates -3 sets of wheels, all balanced-road force.
8. car difficult to start-seems battery is loosing charge- climate controlled garage, trickle charger.

took it to Porsche of Arlington, they gave me a 2008 boxster as a loaner, ok.
dealer called me and said, "we are ordering a part for the gas cap to lock and one horn which wasnt working"
I thought great. then...
dealer-"oh yeah your car has been modified so we wont cover the bad o2 sensor, and for some reason you have 4 Cayenne o2 sensors so it wouldn't be covered anyway"
I thought, how could this be I've never changed an o2 sensor it must be a mistake.
dealer-"I will let you talk with the tech"
tech-"hi my name is ____ the tech working on your car, yeah your car has an aftermarket exhaust and you had the o2 sensors changed for cayenne ones because the wires are long, you see the cayman only has about 5 inches of wire for the o2 sensors"
I told him he must be confused the cayman has the wires rolled up on the engine block and you can pull it out alot.
tech-"no sir, your wrong, I wish you were here then I can show you, so we cant cover the bad o2 sensor"
I told him to go on planet-9.com and check out the articles to prove that the sensors have long wires that can be pulled out.
tech-"ok sir I will do that and call you tomorrow, we are still waiting on parts anyway"
the following day I get a call...
dealer-"your car is ready, we did the 20K/2year service, brake flush,120pt inspection, but we cant warranty the o2 sensor we will need a few hours of labor to figure out whats wrong $120 an hour"
I said to him, the code was bank 1 efficiency below threshold heater core element-driver side precat sensor, just change that its bad using a diag tool it tells you in less than a minute.
dealer-"oh well we arent sure thats it, its a little complicated since you have such a modified car. The sensors are correct they are for a cayman after all, not a cayenne, and the steering wheel issue is vibrating because your tires are 13" wide, so porsche doesnt make a tire in that size for your car and we have to test the battery it will only be covered if a cell is bad otherwise there is a labor and parts charge."
me- yes they do, the GT3 has the same size if not wider I have 305/30series.
dealer-"there is nothing we can do about the steering wheel vibration, you need to put the oem wheels on then see if it vibrates"
me- I did that as well as two other sets of wheels, BBS LMR and Victor Equipments, it still vibrates.
dealer-"well you lowered the car, so you need to put the stock springs back on"
me- Ill come pick up the car.
went to pick it up paid $869 after my PCA discount, drove off and the brakes did not work, I almost rear ended a car, had to pull up the ebrake. Made a Uturn brought it back.
the tech drove it and said "yeah you have a different intake plenum and its causing the brakes to loose pressure in the booster."
me- It was fine when I brought it in except for a some pedal fade and this has been in the last 2 months I have had the plenum on for over a year and a half now. what did you do to my brakes???? now they dont work I have to pump them to get the car to stop.
Fed up I called Tischer Porsche where I usually take my car but since I work in VA this dealer is closer, I worked in MD and went to Tischer before.
I spoke with a tech there he laughed, couldnt believe my story and told me to bring the car by for service.
I brought the car was given a 2008 silver boxster as a loaner, now I am home.
The tech at Tischer has experience with modded cars so he knew what he was talking about, as well as the fact that the o2 sensors on a cayman have long wires, which we all know here, he said the 996 boxster has short ones.

anyone else have issues like this???
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Old 01-07-2009, 08:19 PM
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Re: Terrible Dealer Service in VA

I have the window issue. Did they do anything about that??
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Old 01-07-2009, 08:24 PM
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I have the window issue. Did they do anything about that??
they said it just needed to be lubricated. I didnt test it.
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Which dealer?

I hope this wasn't in Roanoke...
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I hope this wasn't in Roanoke...
no, but im not sure if I can mention the name
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Re: Which dealer?

Now I'm afraid to modify my car.
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Old 01-07-2009, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kimchang View Post
Now I'm afraid to modify my car.
its just the dealer, I usually take it to tischer, no problems.
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Re: Terrible Dealer Service in VA

I am sure others near your area would like to steer clear of these guys. Any way to let on who these stooges are?
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Why can't you mention the name? Even if they were a sponsor you could mention the name, but if they were a sponsor and you got bad service I'd want to know about it so I could talk to the sponsor and get them back on track.
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Re: Terrible Dealer Service in VA

Yeah, I've had great service at Tischer. Needless to say, I will be stickin' with them for all future work.

Sorry to hear about all your troubles. Hopefully it is all sorted now.

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Old 01-08-2009, 03:29 PM
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Re: Terrible Dealer Service in VA

Well, I think there are only 2 dealer options in northern virginia and neither one has impressed me too much. One more then the other though.
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Re: Terrible Dealer Service in VA

It was Porsche of Arlington, NEVER GO THERE!!!

Tischer called me today and they found the problem, the tech from Porsche of Arlington tore one of the tubes to the brake booster. They said its covered under warranty, of course. I am going to demand a refund from porsche of Arlington for the brake service. I do not think that is unreasonable. That is the LEAST they can do, its only a $140 charge
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Re: Terrible Dealer Service in VA

I had the same problem with the window and a rubber seal needed to be replaced which fixed it. When I lived in Maryland I had my BMWs serviced at Tischer. They are far and away the best for service. HBL was a Porsche dealer and so was Heishman (sp?) when I lived there. Neither was as good as Tischer.
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Old 01-08-2009, 10:09 PM
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P of A is near my office, but sounds like it's best to avoid. Thanx for the unvarnished truth, I'll stick with HBL for service when the time comes, although I'm hearing mixed stories about that place as well.
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Re: Terrible Dealer Service in VA

Not sure its reasonable to expect any tech at any random dealership to deal with a modified car. If you must alter the stock car, you should be prepared to service it yourself or take it to the source who created the modification. That said, if a technician is presented with a modified car, he should decline to work on it and not try to double-talk his way out of the situation.
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Re: Terrible Dealer Service in VA

I have a question what type of exhaust system is installed on the car and where exactly did you get it installed.
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I've been dealing with Porsche of Arlington since '99, bought 2 of my 4 Pcars from them and continue to get the Cayman serviced there. Never had a problem.
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where does this ed get off bad mouthing my dealership. i have never had any trouble . souns like all the mods that he ha installed has really messed up his car. thats just not right ed.
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Re: Terrible Dealer Service in VA

A chance to set the record straight;

My name is Chad Morrison and I’m the Service Manager at Porsche of Arlington.

I want to start off by saying that everyone has the right to their own opinion but not their own facts. Here are the facts: The owner of this car told my tech and the shop foreman of 39 years that he had been experiencing this brake problem for the last 6 months as you can see from item (6) listed in the concerns brought to our attention when the vehicle was dropped off:

So I have had my car for about 3 years now (nov.2005). I had the 2 year 20,000mile service even though I have 13,000miles on the car. OK here is the list of my problems with the car...
1. passenger side window goes halfway up then down automatically.
2. fuel door doesn't lock.
3. horn blew out.
4. one of my o2 sensors are bad.
5. e brake loose.
6. brake pedal feels spongy/soft.
7. steering wheel vibrates -3 sets of wheels, all balanced-road force.
8. car difficult to start-seems battery is loosing charge- climate controlled garage, trickle charger

This braking problem was caused by incorrectly lifting the vehicle and cracking one of the vacuum lines that comes from the engine and goes to the brake booster. Bleeding the brakes has nothing to do with this vehicle’s lack of vacuum assist.

The purpose of the check engine light is a result of the federally mandated emission control systems that monitor and compensate for tailpipe emissions. When you relocate the oxygen sensors, replace the catalytic converters with smaller less efficient parts and remap the fuel graphs it is very difficult to properly diagnosis the system. After talking to the Service Director at Tischer Porsche he told me that he has experienced this problem with another vehicle with the same equipment and found it to be a mapping problem in the modified engine control unit. He is requesting the owner to take the vehicle back to the performance shop that installed it to get this issue resolved.

Our company has been in existence since the 1950’s when it was known as Heishman’s. I have been with this dealer for over a decade. I have been around Porsches for my entire life. The first car I drove at 15 years old was a 1968 911L. I have no problem with modifying cars. I have a Porsche myself which is modified with Porsche parts. Porsche parts have been developed and tested with performance and reliability in mind. One cannot expect the vehicle manufacturer to replace factory parts that fail due to consequential damage caused by the use of non-factory parts. We are big supporters of the PCA and all Porsche enthusiasts. I welcome any one who has any questions, technical or not, to email me at chad.morrison@porscheofarlington.com

A special thank you goes out to all of those who stood up for us on this forum. I know the apprehension of taking your car in to a dealer for repair but I assure you all Porsche dealers have spent a considerable amount of money in factory training, special tools and high caliber technicians to service and repair your most coveted possession.

Thanks for you time

Sincerely

Chad Morrison
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Re: Terrible Dealer Service in VA

Not to take sides here because no one will ever know all the facts and everything said will be subjective but I do have a question about privacy. I know this isn't medical information or anything and the info is of little use to most people but it is an interesting question on how much a vendor can defend themselves on a public forum?

I don't think this particular response by Chad is out of line but I can see this going downhill quick.
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