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    Re: Mid-Engine Debate 981/982 or C8

    Quote Originally Posted by gcurnew View Post
    Interesting perspective. https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...paign=17668583

    The best car for driving in the real world from the Porsche mid-engine family might be the GTS. Better suspension and chassis control than the Spyder, without loss of handling and grip. Yes, with a flat six (not necessarily a touring version of the GT4) it would perhaps be more sonorous to some. I actually don't care about sub-3 second 0-60: the GTS does it 4-ish (some tests have it as low as 3.6) which is about as much as can be used in a DD on a frequent basis.
    That review is pretty funny. You can almost hear the Porsche PR rep on the phone to the editorial desk at R&T. "Uh, guys, bit of help here?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noah Fect View Post
    That review is pretty funny. You can almost hear the Porsche PR rep on the phone to the editorial desk at R&T. "Uh, guys, bit of help here?"
    +1 Totally agree! Lol
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    Re: Mid-Engine Debate 981/982 or C8

    I guess it also depends on where that street is located - the streets in Germany are a far cry from the streets in places like NYC.


    Quote Originally Posted by Westcoaster View Post
    Hmmm, I guess it depends on your definition of "for the track/street?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael818 View Post
    I guess it also depends on where that street is located - the streets in Germany are a far cry from the streets in places like NYC.
    True. Although the roads where Westcoaster lives are some of the best in the world. A Spyder would be in its ideal element there.
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    Re: Mid-Engine Debate 981/982 or C8

    No argument there - my roads here, not so good.


    Quote Originally Posted by gcurnew View Post
    True. Although the roads where Westcoaster lives are some of the best in the world. A Spyder would be in its ideal element there.
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    Re: Mid-Engine Debate 981/982 or C8

    Quote Originally Posted by gcurnew View Post
    Interesting perspective. https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...paign=17668583

    The best car for driving in the real world from the Porsche mid-engine family might be the GTS. Better suspension and chassis control than the Spyder, without loss of handling and grip. Yes, with a flat six (not necessarily a touring version of the GT4) it would perhaps be more sonorous to some. I actually don't care about sub-3 second 0-60: the GTS does it 4-ish (some tests have it as low as 3.6) which is about as much as can be used in a DD on a frequent basis.
    I am wondering if the C8 base model will hit a sub 3 once it reaches the unwashed masses.

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    My roads <f/x Sean Connery voiceover> ARRRR CRRRRAP, LAHD.

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    Re: Mid-Engine Debate 981/982 or C8

    Quote Originally Posted by iiagdtr View Post
    I am wondering if the C8 base model will hit a sub 3 once it reaches the unwashed masses.
    GM has a tendency to be aggressive with their published times. If the guys at Car & Driver can't do a sub 3 second, then I doubt that anyone will. So we'll know shortly.

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    Re: Mid-Engine Debate 981/982 or C8

    Quote Originally Posted by iiagdtr View Post
    I am wondering if the C8 base model will hit a sub 3 once it reaches the unwashed masses.
    As far as I can tell they never said it would. That time is for the Z51 package.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OttawaSteve View Post
    As far as I can tell they never said it would. That time is for the Z51 package.
    You are correct sir. Mea culpa. I may have read that elsewhere. The price likely won't be considerably higher for that package AFAIK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OttawaSteve View Post
    As far as I can tell they never said it would. That time is for the Z51 package.
    We are getting into semantics. I still consider the C8 with the Z51 package as the base car with 495 HP, compared to 490 HP without the Z51 package. Models to follow will be a 700HP Z06, and a higher HP yet with the ZR1. So to me there's the base, Z06, and ZR1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fast1 View Post
    Did you miss the emoji after my statement?
    Nah, I saw it but misinterpreted it.

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    The only sound from the C8 world these days is crickets. Why the rush to "launch" in July then nothing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcurnew View Post
    The only sound from the C8 world these days is crickets. Why the rush to "launch" in July then nothing?
    True, but really no different than the 718 Spyder/GT4 launch by Porsche in June, no cars expected to be in NA before the spring... although at least Scotland got quite the show!

    I put it down to marketing, plant the seeds and hope to hook all of the buyers they can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcurnew View Post
    The only sound from the C8 world these days is crickets. Why the rush to "launch" in July then nothing?
    Everyone has time to get in their orders so the cars that come back are customer spec'd rather than dealer spec'd. I'd say that's a win for the Corvette buyer... their online configurator has a ton of customization options (similar to spec'ing a Porsche).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByteSaidFrd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gcurnew View Post
    The only sound from the C8 world these days is crickets. Why the rush to "launch" in July then nothing?
    Everyone has time to get in their orders so the cars that come back are customer spec'd rather than dealer spec'd. I'd say that's a win for the Corvette buyer... their online configurator has a ton of customization options (similar to spec'ing a Porsche).
    Very true, I read somewhere that essentially no 2 Porsche's are spec'd exactly alike, I certainly want to build my own car, not accept what a dealer thinks I want!

    I am sure the Corvette buyer is no different...
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    Re: Mid-Engine Debate 981/982 or C8

    Quote Originally Posted by Westcoaster View Post
    True, but really no different than the 718 Spyder/GT4 launch by Porsche in June, no cars expected to be in NA before the spring... although at least Scotland got quite the show!

    I put it down to marketing, plant the seeds and hope to hook all of the buyers they can.
    Porsche however made cars available for testing to enable separation of fact from hyperbole. Toyota/BMW also made Supras/Z4s available. A curious marketing strategy on Chevy's part. If a comparo test between the GT4 (or even a GT3) and the C8 had been available, and it showed the C8 a stellar performer at a bargain price, with quality issues addressed, would you have hesitated to put in your Spyder order to wait for the C8 convertible (assuming that yellow baby in you sig is what you've spec's)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcurnew View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Westcoaster View Post
    True, but really no different than the 718 Spyder/GT4 launch by Porsche in June, no cars expected to be in NA before the spring... although at least Scotland got quite the show!

    I put it down to marketing, plant the seeds and hope to hook all of the buyers they can.
    Porsche however made cars available for testing to enable separation of fact from hyperbole. Toyota/BMW also made Supras/Z4s available. A curious marketing strategy on Chevy's part. If a comparo test between the GT4 (or even a GT3) and the C8 had been available, and it showed the C8 a stellar performer at a bargain price, with quality issues addressed, would you have hesitated to put in your Spyder order to wait for the C8 convertible (assuming that yellow baby in you sig is what you've spec's)?
    Yes, that is my current spec, I took the GTS down in part to signal the new direction.

    Tough (but good) question, to a certain extent I am still pondering your scenario, but was hoping that I would have been spared the process! Taking for the moment that both cars are what they promise to be, the C8 is a far better buy then the Spyder, especially when you factor cost, it is feature rich and promises to be a real performer, the Spyder is very capable too, just not quite as far ahead in the performance space...

    Now take into account the reviews for the 718 twins and the somewhat known driving experience and the Spyder becomes much more of a sure bet when it comes to expectations, not far off my last car but elevated a bit more by the more powerful engine and GT suspension, essentially other than the cost I feel like I can't go wrong. The C8 is a complete unknown to me, my Corvette experience over 30 years ago serves as no basis for comparison or expectations, couple that with no reviews and it becomes the dark horse, an exciting one for sure but not one I can stand in line for.

    The other turn not taken would have been if the Spyder had been released with a turbo-4, it would have been a non starter for me, I would have simply kept the GTS and saved a ton of money, kept my eye on the C8 and possibly picked one up in the future, after we got a chance to hear about what experienced journalists had to say.

    Perhaps Porsche knew that even though the C8 looked good on paper the reviews would sell the Spyder, especially now as a GT model and because with a manual transmission it would appeal to the faithful and those looking for a true sports car experience, sometimes it is the overall experience that seals the deal.
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