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    Question Video cam recommendations for the track

    I've been using Harry's LapTimer with generally good results, but I'm getting fed up with the video problems caused by the well-known iPhone poor stabilization effects for on-track video recording. So, I'm considering biting the bullet and buying an action cam. I've looked at the action cams page on Harry's website, and it's a good starting point, but I'd like to ask the crowd here their thoughts. I want a camera that (1) will be good for years to come, (2) will work easily with HLT, probably meaning can be auto started by HLT, and (3) will work with other solutions down the road if I later decide to invest in a more sophisticated track timing/data solution. The obvious choices are GoPro Hero 7 (Black, Silver, or White), Hero 6 Black, Hero 5 Black, and Garmin Virb X/XE/Ultra 30, but welcome any/all suggestions.

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    I’ve been using a GoPro hero 3 black edition for years at 1080P at 30FPS with spot meter on. Here is a clip of one of my videos in a 2013 BS.

    https://youtu.be/RFHFndQfnCg


    I recently wanted to do multi camera and did not want to spend the big bucks for a new GoPro. I searched Google and found a company that just sells used gear and bought a GoPro 3 Silver for $39 which for a pic-in -pic is all I needed for 720P. The had used GoPro 3+ black editions for $20 more.

    Lastly, if you do decide to mount between seats keep in very simple to eliminate vibration. Use a standard GoPro mount with the VSB tape and mount it on plastic surface. ( it will come off no marks with just heating up area with hair dryer). Then use a standard go pro mount to mount your camera. Finally spend $9 for a non-waterproof go pro case as you do not need waterproof and taking batteries out is much easier

    Hope it helps, I have been using HLT for over 5 years.
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    Re: Video cam recommendations for the track

    Quote Originally Posted by llan981 View Post
    Iíve been using a GoPro hero 3 black edition for years at 1080P at 30FPS with spot meter on. Here is a clip of one of my videos in a 2013 BS.

    https://youtu.be/RFHFndQfnCg


    I recently wanted to do multi camera and did not want to spend the big bucks for a new GoPro. I searched Google and found a company that just sells used gear and bought a GoPro 3 Silver for $39 which for a pic-in -pic is all I needed for 720P. The had used GoPro 3+ black editions for $20 more.

    Lastly, if you do decide to mount between seats keep in very simple to eliminate vibration. Use a standard GoPro mount with the VSB tape and mount it on plastic surface. ( it will come off no marks with just heating up area with hair dryer). Then use a standard go pro mount to mount your camera. Finally spend $9 for a non-waterproof go pro case as you do not need waterproof and taking batteries out is much easier

    Hope it helps, I have been using HLT for over 5 years.
    Thanks. How are you getting the oil temp and fuel tank readings? I'm using the Kiwi3 BT into HLT and it isn't getting that. I've been using a RAM mount with the claw grip onto the luggage bar.

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    Re: Video cam recommendations for the track

    I am using the GoPoint OBD II bluetooth reader for the oil, fuel, HP, etc. You may have to ask Harry, but for 13 BS, I had to go to advance setting in HLT and set PID=D to get better throttle readings coming off OBD.

    For more accurate GPS than the 1Hz IPhone I am using the Dual Electronics XGPS160.

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    Re: Video cam recommendations for the track

    I was talking to my SIL - a professional photographer - about this very question. His recommendation is the GoPro 7. He said the image stabilization in the cam is excellent and he will add one to his collection of cameras for mountain biking, rock climbing and in his Corvette. I may have to borrow it for a track day in my Cayman...
    Last edited by Whiskey Hotel; 05-13-2019 at 09:36 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskey Hotel View Post
    I was talking to my SIL - a professional photographer - about this very question. His recommendation is the GoPro 7. He said the image stabilization in the cam is excellent and he will add one to his collection of cameras for mountain biking, rock climbing and in his Corvette. I may have to borrow it for a track day in my Caymen...
    I’m guessing he’s referring specifically to the HyperSmooth feature only on the Hero 7 Black, as GoPro claims it’s light years better than anything else they or anyone else have ever done on image stabilization. Could you ask your friend if that’s what he’s talking about, and if he has used it to record on-track video? E.g., current gen smartphones have pretty good image stabilization for handheld use but it makes car vibration WORSE because it’s not intended for that use case. Wondering if HyperSmooth is the same.

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    Re: Video cam recommendations for the track

    Hereís a few videos I shot with a GoPro Hero 7 Black mounted to the windshield with a suction cup mount. The videos were shot at 1080, 30 FPS in wide mode. Iím going to try shooting a few more videos in linear mode to see if I get better / sharper results.

    For reference the first video was shot a pretty bumpy road and the second was shot on a very smooth road.

    https://youtu.be/QJsnn31VPvg

    https://youtu.be/-8ARlLrdZiQ

    I think the problem with the windshield mount is you get some distortion from the sun glare and probably some distortion from the lens of the GoPro being so close to the curvature of the windshield.




    Quote Originally Posted by Jordan718 View Post
    Iím guessing heís referring specifically to the HyperSmooth feature only on the Hero 7 Black, as GoPro claims itís light years better than anything else they or anyone else have ever done on image stabilization. Could you ask your friend if thatís what heís talking about, and if he has used it to record on-track video? E.g., current gen smartphones have pretty good image stabilization for handheld use but it makes car vibration WORSE because itís not intended for that use case. Wondering if HyperSmooth is the same.
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    Re: Video cam recommendations for the track

    I will ask my son-in-law about the GoPro. I'm sure he's talking about the Hero 7 Black, but does not have one yet.

    I see Jim137a has some good hands-on experience with the 7 Black. I think it's interesting to see the image sort of shift as it stabilizes. It looks like it is mount in a flexible mount but i'm guessing it is in a fixed mount.
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    Re: Video cam recommendations for the track

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskey Hotel View Post
    I will ask my son-in-law about the GoPro. I'm sure he's talking about the Hero 7 Black, but does not have one yet.

    I see Jim137a has some good hands-on experience with the 7 Black. I think it's interesting to see the image sort of shift as it stabilizes. It looks like it is mount in a flexible mount but i'm guessing it is in a fixed mount.

    The mount I’m using is pretty stable, I think I’m having issues getting really crisp videos for a few reasons:

    1. Not using the proper settings on the camera. I was shooting at 1080 and 30 FPS - I actually saw some info from GoPro recommending to shoot at 1440 and 60 FPS. I’m going to try that.

    2. YouTube leans more towards speed and sacrifices quality:
    https://valoso.com/blog/youtube-video-quality-loss/

    3. Sun glare - since I’m using a windshield mount and the lens is close to the windshield I’m getting sun glare as well as reflections from the glass and dashboard. I may try mounting the camera further back in the car.

    This is what I’m using for a mount.
    https://www.bestbuy.com/site/joby-ac...?skuId=9565153

    When I view the videos on my IPad or computer they look very sharp, once I upload them to YouTube the quality degrades, I’m going to try the Vimeo format and see what happens.

    Here’s a video shot on a cloudy day - I think it looks better than the sunny day videos

    https://youtu.be/DHVclQSGCgk
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    Re: Video cam recommendations for the track

    I have a GoPro Session, and just started to use an external sticky mount on the top of the windshield. I think it has been my best angle so far. Only problem was a few puddles on the track caused spray onto the lens glass. It evaporated after a few seconds. On a dry track, I think this is going to be my go-to. You can stick those 3m GoPro sticky mounts on anything (even paint). Removes easily with a hair dryer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5zFFEyKFrc

    Here is one where I am using my phone on a RAM mount, and a sticky mount on the plastic panel between the seats for the over-the-shoulder PIP.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ_PRUtpWlY
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    Re: Video cam recommendations for the track

    Quote Originally Posted by llan981 View Post
    Iíve been using a GoPro hero 3 black edition for years at 1080P at 30FPS with spot meter on. Here is a clip of one of my videos in a 2013 BS.

    https://youtu.be/RFHFndQfnCg


    I recently wanted to do multi camera and did not want to spend the big bucks for a new GoPro. I searched Google and found a company that just sells used gear and bought a GoPro 3 Silver for $39 which for a pic-in -pic is all I needed for 720P. The had used GoPro 3+ black editions for $20 more.

    Lastly, if you do decide to mount between seats keep in very simple to eliminate vibration. Use a standard GoPro mount with the VSB tape and mount it on plastic surface. ( it will come off no marks with just heating up area with hair dryer). Then use a standard go pro mount to mount your camera. Finally spend $9 for a non-waterproof go pro case as you do not need waterproof and taking batteries out is much easier

    Hope it helps, I have been using HLT for over 5 years.
    I really like this set up. Nice view of the cockpit and the track and very steady.

    Do you have a photo or more details of how and where you've mounted and what attachments you need?

    1080P is enough for me so I'll also look out for an older GoPro although they still seem to be selling for well over $100US in my neck of the woods!

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