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    PFC 08 vs Pagid RSL-29

    I tried PFC 08 pads for the first time last weekend at Hallett. I have been running Pagid RSL29's. They were about 2/3 the cost of Pagids so I thought I'd give them a try. I have new rotors all around which happened to coincide with the new pads.

    First impressions: They have a bit more initial bite and probably a bit more stopping power all-around. More of a grindy metal sound when cold compared to squeaking of the Pagids.

    Temps must run hotter because this was the first time I've had issues with brake fade. The brakes started fading about 3/4 through my third session and I had to nurse them the rest of the weekend.

    I had 4 months daily driving & 4 track days on my Motul RBF 600. The fluid was brown when I did a small bleed to check for bubbles, so I definitely toasted the fluid. I usually go 6 months and 6-8 track days and the fluid still looks like new when I do a fluid flush. Last year when I was at Hallet, I had just come from a 3-day at COTA in >100F ambient and had another 2 track days on the fluid, so close to apples-to-apples.

    The PTV and PSM seemed to drag on the car a little more than usual, which probably contributed to over-cooking the fluid.

    Next time I'll try with new fluid. I may have to run RBF 660 or SRF with these pads - something with more temperature tolerance.

    I'll provide a wear comparison when I get through this set.

    I'd be curious to see if anyone else has had similar experience with PFC 08's
    2014 Boxster S - Racing Yellow, Sport Chrono, PASM, PTV, PDK, 3rd radiator, Cobb Stage 1 tune (Pagid RSL29's & Nitto NT-01's on the track)

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    Re: PFC 08 vs Pagid RSL-29

    After a couple weeks of daily-driving, the brake squealing got to be too much - as bad as the Pagid's. I had to switch back to OEM pads for daily-driving, so scratch that as one of the potential positives for PFC's.

    During the pad swap, I flushed my brake fluid. The old fluid was a dark amber and appeared thicker than normal. So, I definitely cooked the fluid with the PFC's. I put back in RBF600 for another try.

    I bought some RBF660 in case I have the same problem again to at least get through this set of PFCs'.
    2014 Boxster S - Racing Yellow, Sport Chrono, PASM, PTV, PDK, 3rd radiator, Cobb Stage 1 tune (Pagid RSL29's & Nitto NT-01's on the track)

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    Re: PFC 08 vs Pagid RSL-29

    If you like brakes with initial bite, I would recommend Raybestos ST-43 compounds. I’m pretty happy with mine. Btw, Motul 600 has a higher dry boiling point that 660. It’s always a good idea to bleed a little fluid out of each caliper (3-4 pumps) after each track day.

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    Re: PFC 08 vs Pagid RSL-29

    I'll take a look at Raybestos next time around.

    BTW - Per Motul, RBF 660 dry boiling point is 617F (325C) and a wet boiling point of 400F (204C). RBF 600 dry boiling point 594F (312C), w/same wet boiling point. Not sure that small amount really makes much difference.
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    PFC 08 vs Pagid RSL-29

    Quote Originally Posted by ledbette View Post
    I tried PFC 08 pads for the first time last weekend at Hallett. I have been running Pagid RSL29's. They were about 2/3 the cost of Pagids so I thought I'd give them a try. I have new rotors all around which happened to coincide with the new pads.

    First impressions: They have a bit more initial bite and probably a bit more stopping power all-around. More of a grindy metal sound when cold compared to squeaking of the Pagids.

    Temps must run hotter because this was the first time I've had issues with brake fade. The brakes started fading about 3/4 through my third session and I had to nurse them the rest of the weekend.

    I had 4 months daily driving & 4 track days on my Motul RBF 600. The fluid was brown when I did a small bleed to check for bubbles, so I definitely toasted the fluid. I usually go 6 months and 6-8 track days and the fluid still looks like new when I do a fluid flush. Last year when I was at Hallet, I had just come from a 3-day at COTA in >100F ambient and had another 2 track days on the fluid, so close to apples-to-apples.

    The PTV and PSM seemed to drag on the car a little more than usual, which probably contributed to over-cooking the fluid.

    Next time I'll try with new fluid. I may have to run RBF 660 or SRF with these pads - something with more temperature tolerance.

    I'll provide a wear comparison when I get through this set.

    I'd be curious to see if anyone else has had similar experience with PFC 08's
    I had PFC’s on my CGTS and managed to endure the noise. They were definitely much better than OEM at the track. I am on my second set of Ferodo DS 1.11 on my GT4, and they are better than the stock—apparently Pagid pads. They are terrific on the track and pretty durable. They are not as loud as PFC’s but they are not quiet either. It may come down to swapping out pads if you find the noise unbearable for street driving.


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    Re: PFC 08 vs Pagid RSL-29

    +1 on the DS 1.11, a little cheaper than the Pagids but definitely noisy once warm.

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