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    New-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...

    Just grabbed a 12k mile 2016 Cayman S last week, CPO w/ 2.5 years left on original/CPO warranty. As this is our first Porsche, not sure what all is considered 'normal' and what should be put in the "Hey, check this out under CPO" category.

    1. Under very slow speed, when brakes are cold (i.e. pulling outta garage in the morning) lightly depressing/releasing brake pedal elicits a groan from the front brakes (I believe). Diminishes 95% after I get under way. Have heard with other cars over the years, but this seems more pronounced.

    2. PDK seems a bit 'sluggish' from a stop under very light throttle. Seems like it takes a second to decide "OK, time to move"...again, most noticeable under initial startup and backing outta garage or moving away from a stop sign very slowly. Stomp on it and no hesitation but low speed maneuvers a bit 'delayed' at times.

    3. Seems a bit rough for 1st 30 seconds of startup, until it settles down from initial higher idle to normal idle. Not stupid, crazy "has a big came in it" rough, just slight fluctuation in tach until warmed up.

    I had whined about the tires a bit at purchase and while they met CPO specs for wear, got a surprise call from the dealer yesterday to schedule appt to get new set of tires under CPO warranty, so that's a plus.

    These are all things I'll address w/ dealer soon, just wanted to get and idea of what may be considered 'normal' and what is an unkind exception. Also have an independent inspection being done by very reputable local shop (Steinel's Autowerks) in 2 weeks to get their take.

    As for other things I need to get used to:
    1. Radio always coming on at startup unless I turn the whole infotainment system off
    2. Same as #1 but w/ the Climate Control Fan always being on speed #1 when I start car
    3. Key on left side of steering wheel since I'm in the habit of getting in cars with key (if equipped) on right side of steering wheel.

    Love the car, usually I'd be back at the dealer in a heartbeat to address concerns but the thing is just so much fun, don't wanna give it up right now, at least until independent inspection is done.

    Specs:
    Prod Month: 2015-09-16
    MSRP Price: $83,790.00
    Exterior: Agate Grey Metallic
    Interior: Standard Interior in Black

    BASE Cayman S
    250 Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
    427 20" Carrera Classic Wheels
    446 Wheel center caps with colored Porsche Crest
    541 Seat ventilation
    603 Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS)
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    P06 Power Sport Seats (14-way) with Memory Package
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    X73 Sport Suspension
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    Re: New-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...

    1) Brakes on all the Porsches I've owned are noisier than other cars; I wouldn't be concerned.
    2) Throttle can be a little "soft" in Normal mode; try Sport or Sport+, which have more aggressive throttle mapping.
    3) My CS and my last 911 occasionally exhibited a slightly rough idle (fluctuating 150 RPM on first 30 seconds of cold start). Never did it consistently, though, and I put it down to changing temps/humidity and/or variations in fuel. When the O2 sensor failed on my CS, rough idle (curiously NOT at startup, but once the revs settled down) was prevalent for a few weeks before the failure.

    The last 130,000 km I've driven have been in a 911 and a Cayman...whenever I'm in a car that needs a key inserted (such as a rental) I instinctively go to the left side of the steering wheel. My muscle memory is so good i can insert the key without even looking (good thing, as in our CS I can't see the ignition slot without cranking my head left and down due to of the way I have the steering wheel/seat set up).
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcurnew View Post
    1) Brakes on all the Porsches I've owned are noisier than other cars; I wouldn't be concerned.
    2) Throttle can be a little "soft" in Normal mode; try Sport or Sport+, which have more aggressive throttle mapping.
    3) My CS and my last 911 occasionally exhibited a slightly rough idle (fluctuating 150 RPM on first 30 seconds of cold start). Never did it consistently, though, and I put it down to changing temps/humidity and/or variations in fuel. When the O2 sensor failed on my CS, rough idle (curiously NOT at startup, but once the revs settled down) was prevalent for a few weeks before the failure.

    The last 130,000 km I've driven have been in a 911 and a Cayman...whenever I'm in a car that needs a key inserted (such as a rental) I instinctively go to the left side of the steering wheel. My muscle memory is so good i can insert the key without even looking (good thing, as in our CS I can't see the ignition slot without cranking my head left and down due to of the way I have the steering wheel/seat set up).
    Thanks for the input! Appears to be consistent with what I see/feel.

    First Porsche, and probably not last, so kinda in the dark as to 'normal' peculiarities, noises and such.

    Thanks.

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    Re: New-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...

    My 2016 also hunts around a little when it is first started and has done so from new.

    You will also find on different days at different temps and over different driving durations you will hear different lifter/valve sounds while idling.

    I seriously think you could drive yourself crazy trying to interpret engine noises from these cars.

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    Re: New-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...

    Quote Originally Posted by canux View Post
    My 2016 also hunts around a little when it is first started and has done so from new.

    You will also find on different days at different temps and over different driving durations you will hear different lifter/valve sounds while idling.

    I seriously think you could drive yourself crazy trying to interpret engine noises from these cars.
    :lol: Thanks for the additional info. I noticed the motor does have some mechanical sounds associated with it, especially at 5am on initial startup. Takes about 30 seconds to come down off of initial high idle and settle down and, overall, the motor seems to prefer life off of idle...creeping around slowly is not it's strength I guess. As long the some mechanical noise is 'normal' I will enjoy them as part of the overall symphony.

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    Re: New-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...

    Re: #2 - PDK sluggish. I've had my '14 CS for a couple months now and have adapted, but this is something I noted too initially, although perhaps not PDK specifically but just response in general. With my previous car, I'd hardly go past 1/2 throttle in day-to-day driving and it didn't take much throttle change to get the tranny to kick down. But with the Cayman in Normal (not Sport) mode, you REALLY have to lean into the throttle if you want to go! It just loves to get into to 7th gear as fast as possible and stay there for as long as it can. That said, the fuel economy in Normal mode is great! In terms of what you seem to be describing, it's a trait of dual-clutch trannys in general - the clutch is disconnected when stopped, unlike a regular torque converter auto that's engaged, but "slipping" while stopped. When you give it a little throttle, it's deciding how much clutch engagement is required. And you'll probably notice that "creeping" forward with your foot off the gas feels a bit unusual compared to a regular automatic. You'll get used to it.

    Like I said, I have adapted to how much throttle input might be required to "go", or better yet, a quick double tap on the "-" paddle is mighty rewarding when you need (okay, want!) to fly by someone. It'll go back to full auto after a few seconds.

    As for initial startup - totally normal. I'm in underground parking so easy to hear - very...ummm...rattley? On cold start, the goal is to get the cats lit up as quickly as possibly, so in general, engines run as rich as possible for a short time. Mind you, on the 2011 135i I had, this is when the exhaust sounded best! Nice, deep even rumble!
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    Re: New-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...

    Quote Originally Posted by budgetplan1 View Post
    Just grabbed a 12k mile 2016 Cayman S last week, CPO w/ 2.5 years left on original/CPO warranty. As this is our first Porsche, not sure what all is considered 'normal' and what should be put in the "Hey, check this out under CPO" category.

    1. Under very slow speed, when brakes are cold (i.e. pulling outta garage in the morning) lightly depressing/releasing brake pedal elicits a groan from the front brakes (I believe). Diminishes 95% after I get under way. Have heard with other cars over the years, but this seems more pronounced.

    2. PDK seems a bit 'sluggish' from a stop under very light throttle. Seems like it takes a second to decide "OK, time to move"...again, most noticeable under initial startup and backing outta garage or moving away from a stop sign very slowly. Stomp on it and no hesitation but low speed maneuvers a bit 'delayed' at times.

    3. Seems a bit rough for 1st 30 seconds of startup, until it settles down from initial higher idle to normal idle. Not stupid, crazy "has a big came in it" rough, just slight fluctuation in tach until warmed up.

    I had whined about the tires a bit at purchase and while they met CPO specs for wear, got a surprise call from the dealer yesterday to schedule appt to get new set of tires under CPO warranty, so that's a plus.

    These are all things I'll address w/ dealer soon, just wanted to get and idea of what may be considered 'normal' and what is an unkind exception. Also have an independent inspection being done by very reputable local shop (Steinel's Autowerks) in 2 weeks to get their take.

    As for other things I need to get used to:
    1. Radio always coming on at startup unless I turn the whole infotainment system off
    2. Same as #1 but w/ the Climate Control Fan always being on speed #1 when I start car
    3. Key on left side of steering wheel since I'm in the habit of getting in cars with key (if equipped) on right side of steering wheel.

    Love the car, usually I'd be back at the dealer in a heartbeat to address concerns but the thing is just so much fun, don't wanna give it up right now, at least until independent inspection is done.

    Specs:
    Prod Month: 2015-09-16
    MSRP Price: $83,790.00
    Exterior: Agate Grey Metallic
    Interior: Standard Interior in Black

    BASE Cayman S
    250 Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
    427 20" Carrera Classic Wheels
    446 Wheel center caps with colored Porsche Crest
    541 Seat ventilation
    603 Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS)
    640 Sport Chrono Package i.c.w. PCM
    658 Power Steering Plus
    840 SportDesign steering wheel
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    N0 Agate Grey Metallic
    P06 Power Sport Seats (14-way) with Memory Package
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    X73 Sport Suspension
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    The rough and raucous idle at startup is normal. The ECU runs the car very rich for a little bit in order to heat the cats up quickly, and then it drops down to the normal mixture. The slip you are feeling in the PDK is also normal. The PDK is not a regular automatic. There is no torque converter and its essentially a manual without a clutch pedal, so what you are feeling is the slip as the clutches engage to move the car no differently than the slight delay and slip you would get if letting the clutch out from the stop on a manual tranny.

    You will notice this much more in slow creeping situations such as in a parking garage or parking lot. The car will also feel like there is a fraction of a second delay when stomping the pedal to the floor quickly from a dead stop. This can be a little disconcerting if you are in a situation where you are need of pulling out into traffic very quickly as it feels like the car may actually be stalling out a bit before the RPM suddenly kick back up and things start moving a fraction of a second later.

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    Re: New-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyG View Post
    Re: #2 - PDK sluggish. I've had my '14 CS for a couple months now and have adapted, but this is something I noted too initially, although perhaps not PDK specifically but just response in general. With my previous car, I'd hardly go past 1/2 throttle in day-to-day driving and it didn't take much throttle change to get the tranny to kick down. But with the Cayman in Normal (not Sport) mode, you REALLY have to lean into the throttle if you want to go! It just loves to get into to 7th gear as fast as possible and stay there for as long as it can. That said, the fuel economy in Normal mode is great! In terms of what you seem to be describing, it's a trait of dual-clutch trannys in general - the clutch is disconnected when stopped, unlike a regular torque converter auto that's engaged, but "slipping" while stopped. When you give it a little throttle, it's deciding how much clutch engagement is required. And you'll probably notice that "creeping" forward with your foot off the gas feels a bit unusual compared to a regular automatic. You'll get used to it.

    Like I said, I have adapted to how much throttle input might be required to "go", or better yet, a quick double tap on the "-" paddle is mighty rewarding when you need (okay, want!) to fly by someone. It'll go back to full auto after a few seconds.

    As for initial startup - totally normal. I'm in underground parking so easy to hear - very...ummm...rattley? On cold start, the goal is to get the cats lit up as quickly as possibly, so in general, engines run as rich as possible for a short time. Mind you, on the 2011 135i I had, this is when the exhaust sounded best! Nice, deep even rumble!
    Quote Originally Posted by ICNU View Post
    The rough and raucous idle at startup is normal. The ECU runs the car very rich for a little bit in order to heat the cats up quickly, and then it drops down to the normal mixture. The slip you are feeling in the PDK is also normal. The PDK is not a regular automatic. There is no torque converter and its essentially a manual without a clutch pedal, so what you are feeling is the slip as the clutches engage to move the car no differently than the slight delay and slip you would get if letting the clutch out from the stop on a manual tranny.

    You will notice this much more in slow creeping situations such as in a parking garage or parking lot. The car will also feel like there is a fraction of a second delay when stomping the pedal to the floor quickly from a dead stop. This can be a little disconcerting if you are in a situation where you are need of pulling out into traffic very quickly as it feels like the car may actually be stalling out a bit before the RPM suddenly kick back up and things start moving a fraction of a second later.
    Thanks all, turns out my concerns were unfounded based on above info!

    Still be fun to hear what Steinels says when they give it a once over in 2 weeks but not worried too much about it.

    Brake groan when cold is a non-issue as well. Took it in Thursday for 4 new tires (Thanks CPO!) and SA indicated such is the case. While I had no reason to doubt them, was still comforting to see the porter re-arranging their stock of new 2019 718's, each of which made the same noise as he slowly moved them around.

    Good to go now, polished and coated the paint last weekend, pulled wheels today to clean and coat then all that's left is to just drive it.


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    Re: New-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...

    Looks great! So I will go ahead and warn you of two more possible special noises that these cars can make that you may notice at some point. Firstly, the engine is not positioned like a normal car as you are well aware and the cylinders and moving parts are all in a flat position within inches of the floor. Take that and the fact that fuel injectors on these engines open and slap closed with tremendous force and you can get a very loud ticking or clackety sound from the back of the car, especially on a cold engine. I wish I had a Dollar for every "is this sound normal" post that gets made in the various Porsche forums! Its a noisy beast and will not be whisper quiet at idle when running like other cars, especially when in a garage or confined space that will amplify all of these sounds from the floor.

    The other, since you are in Ohio will be from the tires themselves as the weather starts to get cold soon. Porsches suspensions are set up more for performance driving and not like a Camry, so that combined with the high performance Summer tires on them can lead to something called the Ackerman effect. This is a very noticeable clunking or tread skipping sound of the tires when trying to maneuver the car slowly in tight spaces requiring near lock wheel position when the ambient temp and the tires are cold. Most will notice this getting into or out of a garage space that requires a sharp turn of the wheel as you are slowly moving, and you will know it when you hear it. Its basically the difference between the inside and outside tire radius path being different, so the tires will push or skip a little on the pavement in these extreme turn positions, and some tires are more prone to this that others. This is another of those "Oh my God what is wrong!" post that comes up over and over again with new Porsche owners, especially in the Winter.

    Have fun with the new car!

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    Re: New-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...

    Quote Originally Posted by ICNU View Post
    Looks great! So I will go ahead and warn you of two more possible special noises that these cars can make that you may notice at some point. Firstly, the engine is not positioned like a normal car as you are well aware and the cylinders and moving parts are all in a flat position within inches of the floor. Take that and the fact that fuel injectors on these engines open and slap closed with tremendous force and you can get a very loud ticking or clackety sound from the back of the car, especially on a cold engine. I wish I had a Dollar for every "is this sound normal" post that gets made in the various Porsche forums! Its a noisy beast and will not be whisper quiet at idle when running like other cars, especially when in a garage or confined space that will amplify all of these sounds from the floor.

    The other, since you are in Ohio will be from the tires themselves as the weather starts to get cold soon. Porsches suspensions are set up more for performance driving and not like a Camry, so that combined with the high performance Summer tires on them can lead to something called the Ackerman effect. This is a very noticeable clunking or tread skipping sound of the tires when trying to maneuver the car slowly in tight spaces requiring near lock wheel position when the ambient temp and the tires are cold. Most will notice this getting into or out of a garage space that requires a sharp turn of the wheel as you are slowly moving, and you will know it when you hear it. Its basically the difference between the inside and outside tire radius path being different, so the tires will push or skip a little on the pavement in these extreme turn positions, and some tires are more prone to this that others. This is another of those "Oh my God what is wrong!" post that comes up over and over again with new Porsche owners, especially in the Winter.

    Have fun with the new car!
    Yeah, I'm getting to accept the 'mechanical-ness' of this motor...no worries!

    As for the Ackerman Effect, got up close and personal with that last March when we pulled our '19 Corvette outta the showroom on delivery day. Chilly and damp, cranked the wheel over pulling out, thought the front end was gonna fall off New-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...

    Cayman actually far less than the Vette.

    Thanks for all your help and info!

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    Re: New-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...

    Quote Originally Posted by budgetplan1 View Post
    Yeah, I'm getting to accept the 'mechanical-ness' of this motor...no worries!

    As for the Ackerman Effect, got up close and personal with that last March when we pulled our '19 Corvette outta the showroom on delivery day. Chilly and damp, cranked the wheel over pulling out, thought the front end was gonna fall off New-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...

    Cayman actually far less than the Vette.

    Thanks for all your help and info!
    Ah yes, if you have a Vette then you are already well aware of this!

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    Re: New-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...

    Good advice here. Regarding the "always on" infotainment at startup, just keep it in "Aux" mode all the time when you don't want to listen to anything.

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    Re: New-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...

    The AC settings can also be stored in the memory or key settings if you happen to have the memory option, but I cannot recall for sure if it will allow the fan to be stored to off or not. It may be worth checking it out. I have heard of others using the Aux trick mentioned above and storing it that way as there is no way to stop the radio from coming back on at every start otherwise
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICNU View Post
    The AC settings can also be stored in the memory or key settings if you happen to have the memory option, but I cannot recall for sure if it will allow the fan to be stored to off or not. It may be worth checking it out. I have heard of others using the Aux trick mentioned above and storing it that way as there is no way to stop the radio from coming back on at every start otherwise
    Will look into that, was not aware AC was 'storable'. We do have memory package, little more 'confused' than Vette memory which has pre-defined Key1 & Key2 fobs for settings.

    Both wife and I drive this so most of the time Cayman gets 98% of personal settings correct but I think it gets confused a bit at times.

    With the Vette, keyless entry/push button start, everything is written to defined fob but it goes kinda wonky when I'm driving with fob in my pocket and she's in passenger seat with her fob in purse.

    Currently have Cayman set to store settings to fob when locking doors with fob button button.

    Cars used to be much simplerNew-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...

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    New-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...

    Quote Originally Posted by ICNU View Post
    The AC settings can also be stored in the memory or key settings if you happen to have the memory option, but I cannot recall for sure if it will allow the fan to be stored to off or not. It may be worth checking it out. I have heard of others using the Aux trick mentioned above and storing it that way as there is no way to stop the radio from coming back on at every start otherwise
    The HVAC system will remember that you turned AC off, but it will default to lowest fan setting if you turned the car off with the fan off, or whatever the last position was if not off.

    Hmmm... in other words, it always turns the fan on, you can’t tell it not to. But it will remember the AC setting.

    Oh, and you can turn the PCM completely off by pressing and holding down the volume knob for 3 seconds, and it wont come back on when you re-start the car. I don’t remember if this also works with the CDR head unit.
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    Re: New-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...

    Quote Originally Posted by budgetplan1 View Post
    Will look into that, was not aware AC was 'storable'. We do have memory package, little more 'confused' than Vette memory which has pre-defined Key1 & Key2 fobs for settings.

    Both wife and I drive this so most of the time Cayman gets 98% of personal settings correct but I think it gets confused a bit at times.

    With the Vette, keyless entry/push button start, everything is written to defined fob but it goes kinda wonky when I'm driving with fob in my pocket and she's in passenger seat with her fob in purse.

    Currently have Cayman set to store settings to fob when locking doors with fob button button.

    Cars used to be much simplerNew-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...
    There is the option to store the memory settings on the buttons on the door or on a specific key itself like you describe on your Vette. Check out the manual or the online Porsche imanual for the details Porsche iManuals

    You have to click on the 718 option and drill down to the year of your car even though its a 981 which doesnt make a lot of sense to me, but I prefer using the iManual

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    >2. PDK seems a bit 'sluggish' from a stop under very light throttle.

    Sport and Sport+ buttons will change the throttle pedal mapping, and it will also change PDK behavior. i.e. it will make the car behave how a sports car should. A lot of people drive in Sport ALL the time. It's a sports car, why keep it in "lame" mode
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    Re: New-to-us 2016 Cayman noises and other stuff...

    Nice car, and welcome to the club budgetplan1!

    The X73 Sport Suspension really lets you turn the Cayman like its on rails. Fun fun. Re: the PDK, every Cayman I have purchased seams sluggish until I run it up to speed full throttle and down to with full braking. No matter what mode you put it in, the PDK is trying to learn your driving style. Find a spot where you can get up to speed from 1st - 5th+, as fast as possible, and back down to 1st as fast as possible. It will learn quick, and feel like a different car. Oh, and you really can't hurt it as we track guys do that endlessly with no issues to report after many years. From my experience, the 9A1 engine is Porsche's most durable, and the PDK transmission is Porsche's most durable, and the Cayman platform is one of Porsches' best. Its really an incredibly good car overall.
    2014 Cayman S GRed, Again! PDK, SC, 20", 2 way SS, mods
    SOLD 2016 GT4, retired.
    SOLD- 2015 Cayman GTS, Guards red, GTS Int , PDK, X73, PTV, Bose, Fire ext. .
    SOLD-
    2014 Cayman S Guards red, PDK, SC, 20", Info, PASM, 14 way, Beige.

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