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    Upgrade from 2010 CS to 2015 GTS?

    Team,

    I have the opportunity to purchase a 2015 GTS with 5K on the clock, and trade in my 2010 CS with 49K on the clock. I bought my car a year ago and love it, no problems except an as of yet undiagnosed front suspension clunk. The trade would cost me about $40K (all in after tax title and fees). When I bought mine I was planning to own for 10 years and add 2K miles per year. With the GTS, it would be the same plan (although I'm certain I'll continue to reevaluate selling/trading on an annual basis)

    My thoughts are are outlined below:

    Pros- Newer car, less headaches down the road, relatively small annual depreciation assuming I put about 2K miles on it per year and don't track it... It's a GTS!

    Cons- $40K downstroke, my CS is great and I love it, and the CS is relatively far down the depreciation curve

    Anyone been in a similar situation and pulled the trigger? Is the GTS worth a $40K exchange?

    Oh, and the other big thing... I have to get the ok from my wife. Hah!

    Thanks,
    JP

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    Re: Upgrade from 2010 CS to 2015 GTS?

    I canít help you with the trade-up decision, but I have a 2016 CGTS and it is an excellent car. Still brings a smile to my face after almost 4 years.

    5k on a 2015 is not a lot of mileage. Assuming that it has still had its annual oil changes and at least two brake fluid changes, I donít see any issue. Get an overrev report just to be safe anyway. Is it a manual? Check the door sills carefully for warping if it has been kept outside.

    Getting a 981 CGTS for $40k (+ your CS) seems pretty good, but I donít know a lot about 2010 CS prices. I paid about $80k USD for mine, lightly optioned new in the fall of 2015, and where I live now theyíve only depreciated by about 20% since then.

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    Re: Upgrade from 2010 CS to 2015 GTS?

    First, are you OK with the 981 vs a 987.2? They are very different cars - the 981 is bigger, analog vs digital, etc.

    Second, trading for $40K seems like an OK deal. I don't look at GTS mileage on the ones I see for sale, but seems most are at $60K price. Your CS should be worth $30K. Either you're spending $70K or they're only giving you $20K for your trade. The ultra low mileage makes it worth more than the garden variety GTS. I would push for $35K trade.

    Third, and most importantly, if you haven't gotten approval from the CFO, all this is just chatter. I'm a Wheeler Dealer who mainly dabbles is Boxsters & Caymans. I've had many hot to trot buyers who left with the comment "I need to talk to the wife" and suddenly they fall into a black hole, never to be heard from again.

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    Re: Upgrade from 2010 CS to 2015 GTS?

    I much prefer the 987.2, I would change a few things that you do not love about your car and save 35K.

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    OP Here:

    Thanks to all for the comments to date. Some more information to clarify my decision process:
    -I'm getting $30K for my trade
    -GTS is $70K

    I'm generally of the opinion that $40K is a big cost for the upgrade in performance... So I think my best bet is to try and clear it with the wife, and if she's on board... I'll go for it and try and get more for my trade!

    -JP

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    Re: Upgrade from 2010 CS to 2015 GTS?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocketship View Post
    OP Here:

    Thanks to all for the comments to date. Some more information to clarify my decision process:
    -I'm getting $30K for my trade
    -GTS is $70K

    I'm generally of the opinion that $40K is a big cost for the upgrade in performance... So I think my best bet is to try and clear it with the wife, and if she's on board... I'll go for it and try and get more for my trade!

    -JP
    Like the others said, 981 is quite different from 987.2. 987 is more visceral, raw and immersive drive experience. 981 is more refined and modern. I love the look of the 981 inside and out, more so than the 987. But I prefer the drive experience of the 987. So you have to decide whatís important to you. And if $35-$40k more money is worth the difference. Itís a big chunk of change.

    I used to trade cars annually and in hindsight it was a huge money drain that I regret. Iíd try to find a car that you think youíll love and keep it for a while.


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    Re: Upgrade from 2010 CS to 2015 GTS?

    I currently have both 987.1 BS and a 718 CGTS.

    The two cars you are comparing aren't quite as different as the two cars I own but here is my 2 cents:

    My wife clearly prefers to drive the 987 although she is the one that pushed me into buying the 718 after she compared it to a 911. She prefers the feel on the road. I haven't been able to quite get her to be specific as to why. The 718 is clearly faster and I prefer the way the 718 glides effortlessly on the road... but I think maybe the hydraulic steering of the older car provides just a different type of feedback to make it more fun on twisty back roads and even short trips on a long straightaway. It does feel like more work.

    Maybe it is also the 987 is a MT and the 718 is PDK. Obviously with being both a convertible and MT the 987 is a bit more visceral but she's convinced the 987 is the car she would keep if forced to part with one.

    I, on the other hand, am not sure which I would keep so that explains why we still have both as long as we have garage space.
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    Re: Upgrade from 2010 CS to 2015 GTS?

    I feel obliged to chime in. Owned a '09 CS for about 4 months in 2017-18, until an inattentive left turner tried to come through the driver's door. It wasn't quite totaled, but to make a long story short, it took 10+ months to get parts, so PCNA did me a solid and bought the car back from me rather than keep me waiting any longer. Flush with more cash in hand than when I bought the 987.2, I found a CPO '15 981 CS as a replacement. Same color, too

    Is the 981 faster? Sure. Is mine absolutely loaded with options? Yep. But my 987.2 was my first Porsche. It was still fast. Felt just a slight bit more analog. I ended up in a better spot financially to pull the trigger on the 981, and I'm grateful for things like back up cameras and park assist, plus a warranty. But would have still been happy in my 987.2, had someone not wiped it out from under me.

    I looked at a couple of GTS before pulling the trigger on my S. I don't think 15hp, some Alcantara and a few styling tweaks are worth the $10k-$15k premium they're commanding over an S in the secondary market. Just my opinion, though.

    Good luck!
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    Re: Upgrade from 2010 CS to 2015 GTS?

    Interesting post. You reading my mind?

    I love my '11 987.2 S (a 987.1 earlier) that is totally loaded, perfectly configured for me, and I drive it - now have 80k mis. on it, problem-free.

    When the GTS came out in '15, I went and drove one. Loved it. Roomier inside, lotsa changes/improvements. Lost my analog steering, but hey - you can't have everything. Actually, I loved everything about the GTS.

    What gets me is how the GTS's don't depreciate like the S's - they seem to hold their value incredibly well - and that would hurt me badly selling my '11 S.

    Right now cannot justify the huge cost to upgrade, and considering a software upgrade to my 987.2 to get it up to 350hp. W/350hp, I think I'd be content with my 987.2 S forever......but if a real deal came along on a GTS in Agate Grey - I could succumb....

    GN
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    Upgrade from 2010 CS to 2015 GTS?

    For curiosity, I checked available 981 S and GTS for sale. I too see the GTS selling for $70-$75K. But an S can be found for $50-$55K. I agree itís a big difference. I like the alcantara and few other options on GTS but at $15K premium, not so much. And of course I found an 981S for sale for $50k that I like, and from the same family owned dealer where I bought my 987S 17 months ago. But Iíd have to spend $25k-$30k above my 987S. Still canít justify it.


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    Re: Upgrade from 2010 CS to 2015 GTS?

    Right on, bro.

    GN
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    Re: Upgrade from 2010 CS to 2015 GTS?

    I have a 2010 CS which I bought in 2011. In 2017 I bought a 2016 CGTS. I sitll have both. The GTS is my daily driver becouse I prfer the GTS over the S. Not that there is a huge difference. But, there are many little things about the GTS that I prefer. Also, I believe that the GTS will hold its value better over time. If you look at ads, there are more GT4s for sale than GTSs. Getting approval from the wife will be the biggest challenge.
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    Re: Upgrade from 2010 CS to 2015 GTS?

    I had a 2006 987 Boxster Base 5 speed manual that I bought in 2013 with around 15,000 miles on it. Car was beautiful and trouble free. Then a similar opportunity to the one you describe popped up, and I traded for a 2016 BGTS in July of 2017. The GTS had less than 100 miles on it, and was configured pretty much how I would have ordered it...Leather instead of Alcanatara, 6 speed MT, X73 suspension. Although I liked the 2006 a lot, I like the GTS way more. More modern electronics, way faster on the track.
    And although this is NOT what I care about, and FWIW, way more "Hey, nice car" comments on the 981.
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    Re: Upgrade from 2010 CS to 2015 GTS?

    K-man Isle -

    I've been closely watching the prices on used GTS's ever since they came out....ever since I drove a new one at the dealer......

    Seems to me they may well be the best investment possible in a late model car.......they hardly depreciate at all after the initial hit....

    But then, it also seems like the other owners, unlike you bro, hardly drive them......

    GN

    Quote Originally Posted by K-Man Isle View Post
    I have a 2010 CS which I bought in 2011. In 2017 I bought a 2016 CGTS. I sitll have both. The GTS is my daily driver becouse I prfer the GTS over the S. Not that there is a huge difference. But, there are many little things about the GTS that I prefer. Also, I believe that the GTS will hold its value better over time. If you look at ads, there are more GT4s for sale than GTSs. Getting approval from the wife will be the biggest challenge.
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    Re: Upgrade from 2010 CS to 2015 GTS?

    My 2 cents....

    Never owned a 987, but have rented a few times on Turo. For these cars, it comes down to the smiles per mile ratio. I decided I wanted either a Boxster or Cayman, in a manual. Wife wasn't a fan of either convertible or manual. I was willing to give up one or the other, but not both. I shopped the internet for a year or so while enjoying my Macan. Then got serious and traded the beater FJ for a new Tacoma so I'd be ready to trade the Macan for the right Cayman/Boxter when it came along.

    I wasn't *quite* ready, but a 15 CGTS in Carmine Red with a manual popped up at my favorite local dealer. Short of a Spyder, this was pretty much my preferred setup. Why: GTS, manual, Carmine Red, and a relatively limited set of add-ons. I drove it and compared it to a new 718 base that was priced about the same. In the end, I took the flat-six home. I haven't regretted it one iota. The wife asked... why are you buying this 3 year old car when you could have a brand new one at the same price? For me, it was about the specific model and was worth it. It's held value pretty well for the nearly 2 years I've had it... at least according to ebay/autotrader/etc.

    Do I think it's worth the $40k change? Probably not, unless you've just really wanted a GTS and find yourself continually shopping them. It won't be the performance that makes it worthwhile. It'll be owning what you've always wanted and the residual value that makes it worth while. 5K miles puts it high on the 'desire' list and it should really hold value well.

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    Re: Upgrade from 2010 CS to 2015 GTS?

    Might be interested in your 2010 CS if you decide to buy the GTS.


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