New here but I've been in the ranks for many years with air cooled cars in the 80's and 90's. My last Pcar was a 2009 997TT. I am coming from a Lotus Exige that I owned for many years but barely drove due to its lack of the basics that make cars work for me in my life with my schedule and family. Anyhow, I just sold it with the idea of "cashing" out a little as I had a reasonable amount of equity parked on it for the last 7 years. So I have found a nice *local* 2009 Base S. Right color, stripped options with a 6 speed, which is what I wanted, low miles + good price. Purchase of it would see me returning some serious money to the till which helps with some bills, kids needs, etc. It also wasn't so fragile or precious and I wouldn't die inside if it got a scratch. I would road trip it with the wife instead of worrying about it. I might actually use it!
While waiting for the Lotus to settle out I found another car. A 2012 S Black edition. It had PDK which I didn’t like so much, but was a low mileage single owner car for a decent amount of money. However, a few things disappeared from the equation. The "cash out" idea dwindles down but is still there. However, the black color brings in a new type of maintenance I don't want. It also had bose and a nav and a bunch of options I didn’t want, and would actually need to remove to get the car working as I wanted (want to do a simple head unit replacement to get carplay) It was also a mint car, which means I might once again turn it into a garage queen.
The S fell through today as I found out the owner smokes cigars in it. No offense to smokers but I just can't handle cigar smoke in a car. I was ready to go on it but now I ended the sale (and learned about the type of person the seller was, narrow escape!). So now, I am back to the Base vs. S conundrum. I don't have a local means to drive an S unfortunately but I know I would love it. I am torn between the base S which has no IMS therefore no issues and the relief that a base car would bring, and the excitement of a S. I realize they bumped HP in 2009 so the Base might feel close to an 08 S. So, I'm looking for feedback as to whether the base might be a good solution vs. waiting for just the right 09+ S. To further complicate I don't love the 981 styling but the idea of the facelift 2012 cars makes me even more confused as some of them can be had for just a few thousand more. Argh! I woke up at 3:30 full of excitement today and this is somewhat killing me. It's pleasant agony but its agony
It is base vs S in both gen 1 (2005-2008) and gen 2 (2009 - 2012) so 4 cars. 981 that came after is a different beast, less analog, I would say a better daily but I personally prefer 987 for a weekend car to the 981. Now - gen 1 cars have IMS, gen 2 cars do not. Additionally, IMS was revised in 2007 models and was strengthened, failure is very rare in these cars. Gen 2 cars have a different cylinder bore lining and are also less prone to scoring. If you have that option - go for the second generation 987 S - however reliability and lower production numbers reflect in a premium price. I personally found the base cars a bit slow and went with a low mileage 987.1 S, which is an absolute sweetheart.
dma550, from your post it seems like you're leaning towards the non-s model for a few reasons including transmission, simplicity, daily usability
worlds apart from an exige...I couldn't fit into one without contorting my body
the non-s cars are really underrated and before trying one, I used to dismiss them. However once I drove one, I fell in love.
with a flat 6 that sings just like its siblings and in 987.2 form, only 30hp less from 987.1 S, plenty fast enough on the street and highways.
you can rev and drive it in a sporty manner without breaking too many laws
as long as you're not expecting the same power as the 997.....
Buying the non-S gives you some room for modifications if that interests you. You're able to add more power with headers, exhaust, ECU tune, and refine handling and performance with other mods to tailor the car to your liking and reduce S envy.
Had my 2011 Base for just over 5 years and it is still an absolute blast to drive and continues to make me smile when time to drive it. Went back and forth over base and S model since I replaced a C5 and thought I needed the power. 5 years later no regrets at all. If was coming from an S model then it might be something to consider but I had 355Hp and 350 ft lbs in the C5 and could not use the power/ torque safely on the streets so it was overkill for me.
Base model is just fine for most non-track driving. If you decide on base model, I suggest an exhaust upgrade to enhance the experience.
Thanks guys! In between the cars I also had a BMW M3 V8 - I always tend to overdo it with HP and realize that I don't need that much. The Lotus had 190hp and I even bought a 300hp SC for it. That sat in a box and I was content with the balance of the car while I owned it for 7 years. The 997TT was nuts and I quickly realized it was nothing more than bragging rights for me.
So all that said, the 09 base car is inexpensive and low miles. So far, I have found an 07 987.1 S car for similar money, and an 09 S for about 8K more. I guess a drive in the S would be smart for me if only I could find one reasonably close by.
I have owned a 2008 CS 987.1 I loved it, there is a big difference in power and braking and transmission in the first generation from the S and non S, now I have a 2010 CS 987.2 I feel like it does not have a drastic difference as the first generation, but I love the extra power as the S as I have been doing some track events, I feel like if you buy a S it seems like the big difference in price is not lost, the used price is always much more and makes it easy to sell.
I was in your shoes almost a year ago. Knew I wanted a 6-spd Boxster S, just tried to decide between the TON of 987's out there and the far fewer 987.2's.
Ended up buying the 987.2 b/c it took the IMS question out of play; was low miles (28k); and had better trans, and other features that many here pointed out over the 987. I was not interested in the "normal" 2.9, but every driver must decide that. I wanted the added punch and HP of the S. I may never track it or even autox it, but when you hit the go-pedal, you feel and hear that extra displacement and power. My car has a Milltek exhaust as the only mod from stock (for now) so I agree w/ the previous comment to consider an aftermarket exhaust for either your normal or S.
Will never regret my decision no matter how many RS60 edition '08's pop up for sale with the red sport seats. Definitely put in the time to find the car right for you. If you're having trouble deciding between S/Normal, definitely drive both and preferably on the same day, if possible.
well, I couldn't take it anymore, I got the 05 S. It doesn't have to be my forever car and I'm sure I'll get some years of enjoyment out of it. I "won" it on BAT for a decent price, just waiting on delivery. Should be exciting.
If I were in your shoes, I would try to look for the cleanest 987.2 S you can. Yes, you pay a premium at the beginning, but clean ones are also becoming more difficult to find (i.e. better resale value). Yes, with just more money (or similar), you can find a low mile 981 base or higher mile 981 S, but I think 981s are very different cars. I had numerous Porsches in the past (primarily 911), and IMO, 987.2 is the best Porsche I have had. You won't regret it.
I’ve had the base 987.2 for 8 years. The car is too fast for the street as i can’t find-anywhere on public roads to max it out the way I’d like to. Best summary I can offer after 8 years of ownership...if you want to spend more time on the brake pedal get the S, if you want to spend more time on the gas pedal get the base. I like working the smaller engine longer in the higher rpms and listening to the sweet music. In the S I spent more time stabbing at the brakes trying to haul down my speed.
I’ve tested my base against a lot of other cars, still haven’t found a car that is more engauging, that puts my driving skill front-and-center on public roads.