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    2007 Cayman base with blown motor - repair or sell as roller?

    I bought this car last April with 80k miles as a track toy and unfortunately the motor is now toast. Vision Motorsports in So Cal took it apart and no major damage, but it needs a refresh, a valve job and some minor machine work to clean up crank and one rod. The quote I got was $10k for motor repairs and $3k for R&R. Ouch.

    I am slightly invested in the car with some upgrades like track wheels and tires, exhaust, alignment, deep sump pan and some other minor mods, but most of these are transferable to a new car.

    Given I paid $15k for the car, I'm having a hard time justifying the expense and am tempted to just buy a replacement and go with a Cayman S for a little more $. But if I do that, I am wondering what the market is for a roller Cayman base. Vision offered me next to nothing for it.

    Does anyone have any recommendations or experience with the sale of a roller? What is a realistic price to expect for something in very good cosmetic condition?

    Of course if I repair, I then have a 0 mile motor on a car that was perfect for my needs until this happened. Should I repair keep it? I'd appreciate the thoughts of those with experience in this dilemma. Thanks.

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    Re: 2007 Cayman base with blown motor - repair or sell as roller?

    Buying a used car always comes with a risk. You could ditch your car for a newer Cayman S and be in this exact same position within the week, or in much better shape for years to come.

    I blew an engine on a past build and I rebuilt the car. I knew with my intended use of the car (track toy), it would only happen again. So using a chassis that I knew was solid, with the suspension and performance parts I had invested, it was smarter for me to rebuild and have an engine that I knew the history of.

    I don't know the value of an 07 Base roller.
    But here's my question for you:

    Since you currently have a Base, are you wanting to move up to an S or would you be content with a rebuilt Base?
    If you think of this as $13k for a brand new car and not $13k for a repair, $13k for a new car is not a bad deal. Especially if this shop will warranty their work.
    What's your budget for a newer S?
    How does that budget compare to the cost of repairing your current car?

    Lastly, I would look at the price point difference between selling the current car as a roller, vs. fixing it and selling it as a running car. Though if you only paid $15k for this car and it'll take $13k to rebuild, you'd probably be better off parting out or selling as a roller if your heart is set on buying an S.

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    Re: 2007 Cayman base with blown motor - repair or sell as roller?

    Having your engine with Dwaine and Vision is a good call. I have one of his engines in my Boxster S. $13k is a decent price for a refresh. If you can get the engine resleeved with larger pistons, get the track package with the crank and oiling mods, and get the IMSicon replaced you will be in a very good place. Yeah, it may not be an S but it will still be a nice ride with plenty of punch.

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    Re: 2007 Cayman base with blown motor - repair or sell as roller?

    A base roller with a repairable engine is probably worth $5-8K. Fleabay would be a place to try to sell.

    It sounds like you had a rod bearing issue. Did you run up to redline often? Just asking as the theory is the factory rod bolts are weak and venturing into redline territory will stretch the bolts and cause a bearing to slip / fail. Wanting the info to see if there's a correlation. I try to shift at 6K to stress the rod bolts less.

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    Re: 2007 Cayman base with blown motor - repair or sell as roller?

    If the body and chassis are in good shape, and you are using it as a track toy, then you could either repair this engine or discuss with Vision the option to swap it out for a larger displacement version of the M97 (with an ECU tune to match). The rest of the drivetrain should be stout enough to handle the increased torque, and larger brake packages are readily available from other Porsche models should you decide you "need" them.
    FYI I drove a 2.7/5-speed Cayman on track for 8 years, from novice to instructor levels, and loved it. The smaller engine displacement only became a limiting factor in the advanced run groups, where my driving skill couldn't overcome the inherent power/weight disadvantage. But I could hang on the rear bumper of a GT3RS through turns 1-5 at Mosport (only to watch it disappear on the Mario Andretti straight)!

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    Re: 2007 Cayman base with blown motor - repair or sell as roller?

    Agree with above. Depending on what you have in the car, it might be worth getting a used 3.4 + 6-speed to make it an S'ish. That's how I built my SPC racer; it was a non-S to start and I converted it. You will also need to replace axles and shift cables. It then becomes a financial exercise (what's available at what price).

    A salvage 987.1 S could do the trick and provide all the necessary hardware.

    I would not rebuild a 2.7, but that's me.

    Good luck.

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    Re: 2007 Cayman base with blown motor - repair or sell as roller?

    Quote Originally Posted by ss7026 View Post
    I bought this car last April with 80k miles as a track toy and unfortunately the motor is now toast. Vision Motorsports in So Cal took it apart and no major damage, but it needs a refresh, a valve job and some minor machine work to clean up crank and one rod. The quote I got was $10k for motor repairs and $3k for R&R. Ouch.

    I am slightly invested in the car with some upgrades like track wheels and tires, exhaust, alignment, deep sump pan and some other minor mods, but most of these are transferable to a new car.

    Given I paid $15k for the car, I'm having a hard time justifying the expense and am tempted to just buy a replacement and go with a Cayman S for a little more $. But if I do that, I am wondering what the market is for a roller Cayman base. Vision offered me next to nothing for it.

    Does anyone have any recommendations or experience with the sale of a roller? What is a realistic price to expect for something in very good cosmetic condition?

    Of course if I repair, I then have a 0 mile motor on a car that was perfect for my needs until this happened. Should I repair keep it? I'd appreciate the thoughts of those with experience in this dilemma. Thanks.
    I might be interested in the car as a roller for a shop project.

    SSF Auto Parts has 2.7 RND replacement engines on clearance as well with Nickies and IMSicon retrofit- that might be an option for less than a refresh on your existing one.
    Charles Navarro

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    Re: 2007 Cayman base with blown motor - repair or sell as roller?

    Charles, SSF Auto is wholesale only and won't talk to me about prices on the replacement engines. Can you share what the price is on those for comparison purposes?

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    Re: 2007 Cayman base with blown motor - repair or sell as roller?

    I did discuss the 3.4 or even 3.8L motor with Vision. The problem is the 5 speed cannot handle the additional power. So, you need to upgrade that. Also, per Vision, the mounting points for transaxle are different on 5 speed versus 6 speed so it's a whole conversion process. Then you still have the smaller brakes on the base. So, you can spend all the money on a larger motor, probably another $5k for the 6 speed with conversions and then another $5k for a BBK and be $30k+ into the project. Wrong direction and probably wiser to just get an S.

    I really feel like since it's a base it needs to stay a base and not try to Frankenstein together a new setup.

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    Re: 2007 Cayman base with blown motor - repair or sell as roller?

    Someone on Pelican is looking for a disabled Cayman.

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    Re: 2007 Cayman base with blown motor - repair or sell as roller?

    Quote Originally Posted by ss7026 View Post
    Charles, SSF Auto is wholesale only and won't talk to me about prices on the replacement engines. Can you share what the price is on those for comparison purposes?
    Shoot an email over to [email protected] and we'll get you the information you are looking for.
    Charles Navarro

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    Re: 2007 Cayman base with blown motor - repair or sell as roller?

    Wanted to post a little closure to this thread. I picked up the car from Pacific German from having a new Vertex engine installed last night. Vertex offers a completely rebuilt 2.7 for $8.495. Throw in a new clutch and flywheel, new belts, hoses and anything else you can imagine might warrant replacing at engine refresh and the total bill ended up being $15k with labor.

    I think this was the right decision as we have a completely fresh motor with all new peripheral parts instead of buying another car that may or may not have had issues. The devil you know and all that.

    I must say I was DEEPLY disappointed with Vision Motors. They jerked me around for months and refused to give me an estimate in writing but offered plenty of verbal approximations (which is always dangerous not to mention a violation of CA Bureau of Automotive Repair requirements). I went to them first thinking I would build a relationship with a shop if we decide to go Spec Boxster racing. I am so glad we pulled the plug and went to Pacific German instead. Saved me thousands and the final bill came in as quoted in writing up front.

    Now to log some break in miles and then head back to the track.

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    Re: 2007 Cayman base with blown motor - repair or sell as roller?

    Is the Vertex engine a long block or a full replacement? I assume there is a core charge for your old engine, yes?

    Sorry it didn't work out for you with Vision. Looks like you did get what you wanted with Pacific German.

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    Re: 2007 Cayman base with blown motor - repair or sell as roller?

    yea.. I think you made a wise choice... the idea of going for a used Cayman S for track toy always seems appealing, but a well sorted and driven base can be a lot of fun and, I bet, you wouldn't have that much "more" fun with the S -- even if the (unsorted) S could provide lower times -- maybe..
    enjoy !!

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    Re: 2007 Cayman base with blown motor - repair or sell as roller?

    Vertex is a complete replacement with core charge. Good info on their website if you're interested. They fix the IMSicon bearing issue and address the rear main seal. They also have a simple solution for the pooling of oil in the intake manifold that causes the smoke on track days.

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    Re: 2007 Cayman base with blown motor - repair or sell as roller?

    Thanks for the info on the Vertex engine. I have found a few people who used their engine and none of them had any complaints. One had nearly 50k on his and still going great.

    Keep us updated on how the engine does. It would be perfect information for folks to reference in the future should they need an affordable, rebuilt engine. I have a 2.7 base as well and would love a fully done up LN engine if I needed it, but just can't justify the cost.

    What can you tell us about the fix for pooling oil in the intake? Very curious.

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    Re: 2007 Cayman base with blown motor - repair or sell as roller?

    Yours in the first 2.7 I've heard of with a bad engine. Of course there are many more 3.4's on track. I know several guys (Croc'ed) among them that put a ton of mileage and hundreds or track days with no issues even with suspension work and Hoosiers. My friend Kenny even ran his with slicks with no engine issues. His engine mods where a deep sump and an AOS. Good luck with your new engine.
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    Re: 2007 Cayman base with blown motor - repair or sell as roller?

    The intake fix was quite simple and I'm a little surprised they don't market it more. Basically they drilled a hole in the bottom of the rectangular section and connected a hose so that it drains directly into the one of the runners. This way any oil that gathers is immediately burned in the engine rather than pooling and causing the potential for hydraulic. There may be a little more science to it than that, but that's the gist. They even threw in the new intake free of charge since buying the motor and they just wanted one my old one back as a core.

    Just crossed 500 miles on the motor and all seems to be well. Runs great, idles smoothly and sounds good. Overall very happy.

    DiverDog, our blown engine had to do with driver error and over-rev situation. Nothing caused by faulty motor.

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