Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

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    Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    Sometimes you see concrete barriers in the front of parking spaces where you pull in. These are known as "Parking Stops" or blocks. Today I was walking into a building and someone pulled into a handicapped spot and I heard CRUNCH. And they must have done some serious damage to the plastic on the front of their car. Sometimes you see bits of concrete missing on these things but they are meant, I suppose, to be hit to stop cars from going through the spaces. But the thing is, I constantly see, and mostly hear, people scraping them. So what's with that?

    1. Are they just stupid and don't know to stop?

    2. Distracted while parking and not paying attention to the big piece of concrete in front of them?

    3. Just don't care about their car?

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    Re: Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    All of the above. A lot of people drive trucks or SUVs with high clearance where you can pull in until you slightly meet the curb with no damage to your car at all. Some of these folks then drive other cars and forget. :-)

    I guess the truest answer would be a combo of 1 and 3. I think the plastic part under cars is generally high enough to to clear most curbs.. So basically, the majority of passenger cars have the clearance to go over a curb without damage to the body-- they just scrape the plastic bits below-- which automakers probably continue to make plastic because of this cyclical phenomenon.
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    Re: Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    All of the above. Modify the poll.
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    Re: Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    None of the above. Most people aren't giving them a second thought unless damage occurs. They don't expect them to damage the car because naturally all the regulations would prevent such a travesty.

    That said, I have seen many curb stops that my 981 will clear. It is somewhat difficult to see how close you are to them in tight spaces so the tail of the car is not asking to be nipped. I don't have any parking assist in my 981.

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    Re: Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    When my 90 year old and still driving mother was still alive, I had to replace her oil pan annually from driving over those things because she forgot they were there. She never even realized she was doing damage. I'd get her annual maintanence done for her and they were never able to get the oil drain plug out because of it. LOL

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    Re: Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    I don't think the average driver has a good idea of where the fenders are or the front and rear bumpers. I remember shopping for a BMW for one of my sons, and the dealership had parking stops on many of their parking spaces. So I did a quick check of the undercarriage of about 20 cars and five of them had significant scratches on the plastic undercarriage. Of course this problem should be diminished in the future, since many cars now have front and rear sensors which emit beeps as the car approaches an object.
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    Re: Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by fast1 View Post
    I don't think the average driver has a good idea of where the fenders are or the front and rear bumpers. I remember shopping for a BMW for one of my sons, and the dealership had parking stops on many of their parking spaces. So I did a quick check of the undercarriage of about 20 years and five of them had significant scratches on the plastic undercarriage. Of course this problem should be diminished in the future, since many cars now have front and rear sensors which emit beeps as the car approaches an object.
    The 718's now have the front and rear visual and audible sensors standard. They are pretty sensitive, to the point where i don't pull into a space as far as I could because of all the beeps and the assorted yellow polygons morphing into red on the top of the car's pictogram on the PCM screen. I think the back sensor + camera allows you to more closely check on clearance.


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    Re: Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by engnr1 View Post
    The 718's now have the front and rear visual and audible sensors standard. They are pretty sensitive, to the point where i don't pull into a space as far as I could because of all the beeps and the assorted yellow polygons morphing into red on the top of the car's pictogram on the PCM screen. I think the back sensor + camera allows you to more closely check on clearance.
    As you get closer to an object do the beeps increase in frequency to the point where they become a continuous tone when you get within a certain distance?

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    Re: Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    5. None of the above Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?I've tried to tear the spoiler off my PASM equipped 981 because I misjudged where the nose ends. Park assist never sounded.


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    Re: Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    Your question gives rise to your arrogance that people are either Stupid, distracted, or careless.
    Yea I would say None of the above. I've done it myself. Part of the problem is that cars used to have more ground clearance than they do today. I've been driving for 50 years now. In addition to being lower cars began adding 2" wind deflectors in front of the front tires some years back for the purpose of improved aerodynamics and MPH. Anyway, once I've scraped the front deflectors I've learned to be very cautious in that car. So you can call me ignorant, which can be cured by leaning. But, you can't call me stupid which is incurable. Also I do care about my cars and yes I have been distracted at times.

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    Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by fast1 View Post
    As you get closer to an object do the beeps increase in frequency to the point where they become a continuous tone when you get within a certain distance?
    Yes to all of the above - but this is on the 718. I am not sure front sensors were even an option on the 981.
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    Re: Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by RickH View Post
    Your question gives rise to your arrogance that people are either Stupid, distracted, or careless.
    Yea I would say None of the above. I've done it myself. Part of the problem is that cars used to have more ground clearance than they do today.
    I asked the opinions of others WITHOUT providing what I though the answer might be. These are possibilities that came to me, a catchy list of possibilities. Do not make assumptions they are what I think. I never said what I thought.

    1. I created one because I can believe that in the entire set of drivers there ARE people who "don't know to stop" before hitting them. Maybe they think they are supposed to scrape their cars. You find that impossible? I think its very possible. Maybe they think they are posts they are supposed to hit. You find that incredible at 66 or so? I don't.

    2. I created distracted driving because cell phones and texting is in the news.

    3. I created option 3 because this is what I believe is true. Its not that they are careless. Rather, they do not care at all.

    I have seen this happened HUNDREDS of times. And by the SAME people over and over again. A reason regarding car height is excuse once, an accident. After you know the car is lower, its no longer an accident but rather the driver is not aware of the dimensions of the vehicle. It can also be they didn't see the concrete, but these barriers are static, its not like they just jump in front of cars. Did they just misjudge the distance? Yes, that would be an accident, the first time, not the second time and subsequent times.

    My conclusion, which I did not state, was that the people who do it (usually constantly) just don't care. They don't even look. Some are oblivious. No shock. Nothing. IMO, they are not stupid, nor distracted time after time, but rather just don't care if they damage either their own car or the public property. But thats just my opinion and I asked others opinion without stating my opinion so not to influence others. IMO, no one scrapes up the front of their cars, over and over again, unless they just don't care if they hit another object or the damage to their vehicle.

    I never used the word "careless". You did. I said they "do not care". There is a big difference between being careless and not caring about the damage. Being careless implies they DO care, 180 degrees opposite meaning.
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    Re: Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    Timely thread, just yesterday, some young dude in a silver sedan ran up one, he had this confused look, like he was surprised he hit something. It was an old car and he probably doesn't care. So I picked all of the above.
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    Re: Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    hmmm... didn't take much for this thread to escalate. What does this teach us?

    Quote Originally Posted by chows4us View Post
    But the thing is, I constantly see, and mostly hear, people scraping them. So what's with that?
    The thread is based in part on your anecdotal observations.

    So without measurement of what actually happens in the ginormous number of parking lots in the world with uncounted number of concrete barriers, who knows the actual answer to your question (especially given other possibilities beyond the 4 you listed)?

    In the interest of making this interesting, I suggest everyone come up with possible answers, with extra points (that don't matter) to those that are particularly creative.

    Here are two from me:
    simplistic answer -- your observations are in parking lots with extra high barriers that other drivers aren't aware of. So their past experience led them to think they wouldn't scrape.
    complicated answer -- you disrupt the time-space continuum in a way that distracts those drivers into scraping.

    Amazing enough, both are relatively testable.
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    Re: Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1028Caymn View Post

    The thread is based in part on your anecdotal observations. your observations are in parking lots with extra high barriers that other drivers aren't aware of. So their past experience led them to think they wouldn't scrape.
    No, its not in part about anecdotal observations. Its 100% anecdotal. It's not like I had a $1M grant and studied this for the last decade

    No, while your idea is interesting, the are the SAME barriers that have sat there year after year after year "for the last decade". I've seen it over and over again (yes anecdotal). Yes, there could be true accidents. And unsaid, they are meant to take the damage, the are concrete. Your car is going to be damaged, not the concrete.

    The most amazing thing is that some people (yes anecdotal) is some are totally oblivious, don't care, don't go look at the damage. Some ride over it, heard the scraping, and back off, don't look and don't care. And yes, I can't believe it. But maybe they just don't care. That does not make them "careless" as noted by someone else, but rather, it does not matter to them that they damage their car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmaneh View Post
    5. None of the above Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?I've tried to tear the spoiler off my PASM equipped 981 because I misjudged where the nose ends. Park assist never sounded.


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    The parking sensors on my 2015 981 do not detect parking stops either. They only detect larger objects such as other cars, walls, etc. The parking stops are too small and too low to be detected.

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    Re: Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by chows4us View Post
    No, its not in part about anecdotal observations. Its 100% anecdotal. It's not like I had a $1M grant and studied this for the last decade

    No, while your idea is interesting, the are the SAME barriers that have sat there year after year after year "for the last decade". I've seen it over and over again (yes anecdotal). Yes, there could be true accidents. And unsaid, they are meant to take the damage, the are concrete. Your car is going to be damaged, not the concrete.

    The most amazing thing is that some people (yes anecdotal) is some are totally oblivious, don't care, don't go look at the damage. Some ride over it, heard the scraping, and back off, don't look and don't care. And yes, I can't believe it. But maybe they just don't care. That does not make them "careless" as noted by someone else, but rather, it does not matter to them that they damage their car.
    You've said many times in other threads that most consider cars "appliances" which are nothing than a mode of getting from A to B. I suppose this is just another sign of that mentality considering most wouldn't worry dinging up or washing and waxing an appliance. You simply press a button and it does what it does as you walk away with no concern.

    On another note, I think the same thing when I see nice cars with curb rash all the way around the rims of every wheel. Do these people not even care in the slightest that they are destroying their rims, and better yet why are they such bad drivers that they have managed to do this all the way around all four wheels on high end new cars!?!?. I can drive a car for years and never manage to ding a single one, so the only conclusion I can come to is they just dont care or they dont have the basic skills needed to do whatever it is they are trying to do with the car.
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    Re: Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by ICNU View Post
    You've said many times in other threads that most consider cars "appliances" which are nothing than a mode of getting from A to B. I suppose this is just another sign of that mentality considering most wouldn't worry dinging up or washing and waxing an appliance. You simply press a button and it does what it does as you walk away with no concern.

    On another note, I think the same thing when I see nice cars with curb rash all the way around the rims of every wheel. Do these people not even care in the slightest that they are destroying their rims, and better yet why are they such bad drivers that they have managed to do this all the way around all four wheels on high end new cars!?!?. I can drive a car for years and never manage to ding a single one, so the only conclusion I can come to is they just dont care or they dont have the basic skills needed to do whatever it is they are trying to do with the car.
    I agree and sometimes forget that not everyone is an enthusiast. If one thinks of a car as an appliance, then yes they would give it no more thought that scratching a washing machine hidden in the basement.

    Road rash on rims, might or might not be skill related or appliance related. I might think more skill related if associated with parallel parking. This is much different than driving straight into a spot. Parallel parking is actually an acquired skill one might lose over time.

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    Re: Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    About curb rash on wheels, I have to admit I have done it a few times on my cars (not to a Porsche thankfully) even thought I am definitely a car person. The reason is I always look to park in an end spot, and as far away from the neighboring spot as I can. Unfortunately it try a bit too hard to park to one side and the result is a slight curb rash. I cry every time I have done that. I use the excuse that I probably saved my car from a door ding as a way to not beat myself up too much. Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

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    Re: Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

    Quote Originally Posted by ciopyk987s View Post
    About curb rash on wheels, I have to admit I have done it a few times on my cars (not to a Porsche thankfully) even thought I am definitely a car person. The reason is I always look to park in an end spot, and as far away from the neighboring spot as I can. Unfortunately it try a bit too hard to park to one side and the result is a slight curb rash. I cry every time I have done that. I use the excuse that I probably saved my car from a door ding as a way to not beat myself up too much. Stupid? Distracted? Or Just Don't Care?

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    In my jurisdiction you have to park within 12" of the curb, so I can see were it's a challenge. In my case I rarely parallel park, so I'm very careful when parking to avoid curb rash. I've been lucky and never had curb rash, but judging by the amount of wheel damage that I see, it's far from a rare occurrence.

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