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Not driving it at all. Just trying to troubleshoot the car. Yeah, it hiccups at idle. As soon as I drive it out of the garage, I get a CEL misfire codes and currently its cyl 1 and 6. I haven't looked into other components yet. The car is running at around 5psi when I drove it last week. That was the only time I have driven this car since it was delivered. Should I just drop it off at a shop? I don't want to be playing guessing games here. Just want it running right so I can start to enjoy it....
That would be the best idea however determining if this is a TPC issue or a bad component issue could take some time. You have a trusty tuner/dyno shop near you? It’s probably “hiccupping” because of the misfire (unburned fuel)… so that require to hooking it up to live data… this could take some time so be patient… if it was me and wanted to keep the turbo, I’d take it all off and go back to stock…
See how it runs stock…
Then circle back around… ton of work tho…
 

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That would be the best idea however determining if this is a TPC issue or a bad component issue could take some time. You have a trusty tuner/dyno shop near you? It’s probably “hiccupping” because of the misfire (unburned fuel)… so that require to hooking it up to live data… this could take some time so be patient… if it was me and wanted to keep the turbo, I’d take it all off and go back to stock…
See how it runs stock…
Then circle back around… ton of work tho…
Yeah, that sounds like a lot of work. I already cleaned the maf but I will install a new AOS tomorrow and clean as much carbon build up as I can. I'll report back. Thanks for your replies..
 

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My last car was a 987.2 CS w/ TPC turbo kit. I bought an AutoGage boost gauge but sold the car before installing it. I'll make you a great deal on it if you want one.
 

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So UPDATE...

Car seems to just misfire during idle. No CEL at all today but the misfire shows in the scanners live data. Car drives perfectly fine. What's up with the oil light meter on this thing?!?! Measurement is all over the place. Sometimes, 1 bar only, Sometimes at the middle. Today, check engine oil level light came on when I pumped some fresh 93 octane. I didn't want to risk it so just bought 2 qt at the gas station to be safe. Then when I started the car, it struggled to turn over, low oil pressure light came on and shut off. I tried again and it started to idle ok with no warning. Drove it carefully home a few miles and then when I got home, I checked the oil level and the meter says full bars! How do you go from no oil and pressure in the engine to full with just 2 qt?

I'm going to change oil tonight but this thing is making me all confused....
 

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Stock setups don't usually bounce around the level that much. My guess is that this has to do with the TPC setup. The car was built with a certain range for the oil level, and I expect that's no longer valid or appropriate for the TPC changes.

Still, FWIW, the stock setup on a 987.2 says it's about 0.42qt per bar... so if you put in 2 quarts, that certainly seems like WAY too much. Again, not knowing what TPC did, we are just guessing... but if you did that to a stocker, then you're likely well into overfill and are risking damage to the AOS (new or old).

It sounds to me like this is not something you have the desire or ability to work on, which is fine. But it's going to be an expensive proposition. Like others said, if you really want to keep it, I'd pull the TPC stuff off, as it's a big risk without having the support you need. Alternatively, if you can find a shop willing to tackle it with this stuff, then have at it. I imagine most won't want to do this... and if they do, it's going to be expensive simply because it's going to take a good deal of time to figure out what's going on, without proper support from TPC.

I'm coming into this blind - does TPC even exist anymore? Can you contact them for help at all? From what I have read "between the lines" they aren't around?
 

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Stock setups don't usually bounce around the level that much. My guess is that this has to do with the TPC setup. The car was built with a certain range for the oil level, and I expect that's no longer valid or appropriate for the TPC changes.

Still, FWIW, the stock setup on a 987.2 says it's about 0.42qt per bar... so if you put in 2 quarts, that certainly seems like WAY too much. Again, not knowing what TPC did, we are just guessing... but if you did that to a stocker, then you're likely well into overfill and are risking damage to the AOS (new or old).

It sounds to me like this is not something you have the desire or ability to work on, which is fine. But it's going to be an expensive proposition. Like others said, if you really want to keep it, I'd pull the TPC stuff off, as it's a big risk without having the support you need. Alternatively, if you can find a shop willing to tackle it with this stuff, then have at it. I imagine most won't want to do this... and if they do, it's going to be expensive simply because it's going to take a good deal of time to figure out what's going on, without proper support from TPC.

I'm coming into this blind - does TPC even exist anymore? Can you contact them for help at all? From what I have read "between the lines" they aren't around?
TPC still exist as far as I know. I do reach out to them for some questions. Sometimes they reply, sometimes they don't. I didn't get a chance to change oil tonight but I will tomorrow. That way, we can make sure that the right amount of oil will be in there. I am still waiting to hear back from TPC if the oil capacity has changed from stock. For now, I'll just put in the stock amount.
 

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Well, I wouldn't "put in the stock amount" either. I would certainly make sure there is enough on the level, but you will just have to be more careful with the process... because we don't know what your actual capacity is. I might start with stock amount, and then add about 1/4 quart at a time, while watching the level. You may have to wait some time between fill and measurement... and maybe even run the engine? I don't remember how your car works with oil measurements (my 987.2 requires the engine to be warmed up and running).

If it was me, being the engineer I am, I would start with stock, take a measurement, wait some time, take another one, etc... see if it changes with time. Then, assuming its at some reasonable level, I'd also test and see if running the engine affects it. Basically, do the science experiment to figure it all out.
 

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The other way is to take a picture of your sump. We know what a standard one looks like and if TPC change to a deeper sump, we can see that. As long as your oil gauge on the dash works, just put in the 8.5 qts, includes oil filter, then read the gauge. Cut up the oil filter and put a very bright lite to the folds as laying flat to see any metal particules. You will become very good at cutting up the old filters.
 

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Just changed oil. The oil sump looks stock. So just filled it up increments until I got the oil bar just shy of full where there’s 1 empty bar left but right at the top arrow.

here’s what’s happening. Car idles with a bit of hiccup (sometimes cel would come on with misfire codes, usually cyl 1 and 6) and runs perfectly fine and strong. However, during driving, CEL would blink about 10 times and go away. This happened a few times on way back after test driving car after oil change. Pull into garage and check codes now more cyl are misfiring codes and also o2 sensor showing up too.

Code 2231 short signal bank 1 sensor 1

and the usual 030x code for cyl misfire.

Should I start looking into other things like o2 sensor? Are the cats bad?
 

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When you changed plugs, did you notice any build up on plugs for 1 & 6 cylinders. Just wondering if its the injectors for those cylinders that have gotten their spray patterns changed, maybe due to the installation as they are port injectors.
 

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When you changed plugs, did you notice any build up on plugs for 1 & 6 cylinders. Just wondering if its the injectors for those cylinders that have gotten their spray patterns changed, maybe due to the installation as they are port injectors.
Yeah some plugs were fouled. I don't quite remember which cyl it was but it might the 6 cyl. Injectors might be next to look into. I'm trying to find a good indy shop here to trouble shoot this for me. Any link to how to replace injectors in these engines?
 

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If you can determine if the injector lines are not kinked due to the special TPC turbo intake manifold. Maybe they used the OEM one? A picture of the top of the motor would help.
 

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That oil gauge might never be accurate because of the turbo and all the additional oil lines… again, you better watch that one and try to get a base line…. It’ll never be accurate until it sits over night and mine has even changed after 2 days…

I would have those injectors looked at. Also those pintal caps get gunked up and you could also be sucking air past those rubber injector grommets which would definitely cause a misfire… this is all process of elimination, something I’ve done 1000 times… 700hp rotary and MR2…. It was always something man… the reason I don’t mess with maintenance items anymore, I’m just tired of it
 

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Yeah. I'm leaning towards injectors. I also have been working on many tuner cars since mid 2000s. I have had many cars from japanese turbo cars to european turbo cars. I haven't had a car since 2018 because I was tired of working on cars. But now I got the itch again hence the current car. I am quickly reminded the pain of working on the cars because of things like these. You never get to enjoy the car but just spend so much time and money fixing them.....it never ends =/

I'm going to get the car looked at a local shop near me. I really just want to start enjoying the car so hopefully they can pinpoint it and just fix it. I'll keep you guys update.
 

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Yeah. I'm leaning towards injectors. I also have been working on many tuner cars since mid 2000s. I have had many cars from japanese turbo cars to european turbo cars. I haven't had a car since 2018 because I was tired of working on cars. But now I got the itch again hence the current car. I am quickly reminded the pain of working on the cars because of things like these. You never get to enjoy the car but just spend so much time and money fixing them.....it never ends =/

I'm going to get the car looked at a local shop near me. I really just want to start enjoying the car so hopefully they can pinpoint it and just fix it. I'll keep you guys update.
That’s why I don’t work on them much anymore.. it’s not worth my time.. I haven’t had an import for 15yrs… well guess I had my V6 MR2 5yrs ago. I’ve always had two hobby cars… usually a Porsche and the hobby hobby car…
Anyway, injectors, good place to start… fuel pump too…
Good thing you bring up imports tho… because you could probably buy 10-15 used motors for the price of a Porsche rebuild… food for thought
 

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That’s why I don’t work on them much anymore.. it’s not worth my time.. I haven’t had an import for 15yrs… well guess I had my V6 MR2 5yrs ago. I’ve always had two hobby cars… usually a Porsche and the hobby hobby car…
Anyway, injectors, good place to start… fuel pump too…
Good thing you bring up imports tho… because you could probably buy 10-15 used motors for the price of a Porsche rebuild… food for thought
Don't remind me. Thanks lol
 

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UPDATE....

I changed the drive belt today with OEM PORSCHE belt. The old one was also OEM PORSCHE but not sure if it has been changed yet. Regardless, I haven't gotten any misfire codes! I was reading other people's misfiring situation and one post came about how they have seen many cars witth the same issue as mine be the drive belt. Where they were putting on non oem parts and causing issues. In this case, it was oem but maybe it was time for a much needed replacement.

I'm happy to finally gotten rid of the misfire codes. I'll update if anything changes.
 
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