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I managed to own my 987 Cayman in Northern Virginia for 8+ years with only performance tires, though when I upsized my wheels to 18” Cayman S wheels, I kept my OEM base model 17” wheels for use with snow tires that I wound up never buying. As one would expect, perf tires have crap traction in light snow and spin/make noise under all sub-45 degree temperature condition even on dry pavement. But I drove little enough in snow (also had a short commute for a long time) that it didn’t matter.

With my 718BS, my P-Zeros are only at 8000 miles but I know a number of people with 981’s (and st least one 997 owner) who went in for all-season instead of buying just snow tires for winter and storing the performance tires. I realize AS is a compromise but if you don’t track the car or drive at 140 mph on he autobahn, is there any real, noticeable limit on road performance and handling under spirited driving?
 

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Have you even been able to find Porsche approved AS tires? Without mismatching types due to the rears being so wide, i couldn't even find AS tires a few months back when i looked. If you have found a set, what is it?
 

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I'm using Yokohama performance AS in OEM 18" on my 987.1.

They are fine, excepting easy wheelspin out of corners, which kicks in PSM. But, good for rain and dry cold, which is when I would need them.

My Volvo has Bridgestone Potenza RE97AS, which I also like. But, they wear pretty fast.
 

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I probably live just a bit west of you, and in your/my area we face a dilemma about winter. Some years there's no snow and in other years we've had 20"+ storms and over 60" for the season. The temperature also can fluctuate drastically. That creates a dilemma. If my 14CS were a daily driver, I'd get a set of cheap wheels and a set of winter tires. I'd rather do that than compromise the Porsche's performance during the rest of the year. Another option is getting an older Jeep Cherokee, like a '92 or something, for under $5,000 and have it be your snow car.

Luckily we have other cars and an F250 so the Porsche spends the winter in a barn, but I'm still thinking about getting an old Jeep anyway.
 

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I just purchased conti extreme contact dws06 (20?) for my 981. I live in central NM, so I only occasionally have to face snow so snow tires was not really an option. As temps drop below 40 and my job takes me to the north, I needed a tire suited for cold. I don?t track my car, should I take up auto-X, I will focus on a set of 19? most likely.
For my spirited driving on the AS, I do notice a difference, but it is slight as I don?t push my car in the city. I chose to sacrifice extreme summer performance in lieu of more year round enjoyment of my car.
I did step up to 245/275-35series
 

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In Germany winter tires are a prerequisite, and by that I mean they are a legal requirement . So based on that I'm going to hazard a guess that all Season tires are in fact available for all Porsche. Also I want to point out that AS tires are used to compensate for the cold weather, whether it snows or not. Summer tires get stiff, really stiff and hard, in cold weather and as such have pretty poor traction, hence AS rated tires. Last, IMO if you don't track your car you will be fine with AS tires. Well unless you drive like a maniac like me. lol
 

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If you are a little more gentle driving than me, all seasons might work for you. But I love to hard toss my Porsches around corners at lights and stop signs here in the burbs. I'd definitely be sliding more without sticky summer tires...
 

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I suppose that you have to decide between compromising peak performance versus the cost of two wheel/tire sets. All seasons will provide you with tires that can be used all year, but are second best at all times to specialist winter or summer tires. To each his own, but from my perspective I spent a lot of money for a high performance car. I am not going to compromise on the only part of the car that touches the road.
 
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Earlier this week I had the old rubber pulled off my '05 BS and had Bridgestone RE970AS's installed. Note that I live in Seattle, which is generally benign enough in winter to drive a Boxster, but it gets cold and wet enough for summer-only tires to not be an all-year option.

As great as these tires are in terms of handling and responsiveness, their limit is well short of summer tires that went off (Bridgestone 71s in front, Pilot SS in rear). If I was doing 8/10s on roads with the summer tires, then these are about 6/10s. Their feedback is great, though, and you know you're getting to the limit of their grip well in advance of when they go, making it easy to drive as quick as the tires allow.

Overall they're great for day-to-day tires, but I'll get a new set of super-sticky boots for next summer.
 

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What is the reason you considering all-season tires? Save space? Save money?

From my experience (but not on my Porsche, I don't drive it in winter) - there's HUGE difference between AS and snow. And there is also huge difference between AS and high-performance tires. So you basically kill pleasure of driving good car for... what? All my winter going cars get snow tires, period. I tried a few times to keep original AS on a new cars, but couldn't get through whole winter. Even on dry but cold roads the difference is huge. Then for summer tires - I keep AS on wife's car and I put high-performance on mine. But snow tire is a mast in MI. Of course, Michigan is very different from Virginia, just my 2c.
 

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What is the reason you considering all-season tires? Save space? Save money?

From my experience (but not on my Porsche, I don't drive it in winter) - there's HUGE difference between AS and snow. And there is also huge difference between AS and high-performance tires. So you basically kill pleasure of driving good car for... what? All my winter going cars get snow tires, period. I tried a few times to keep original AS on a new cars, but couldn't get through whole winter. Even on dry but cold roads the difference is huge. Then for summer tires - I keep AS on wife's car and I put high-performance on mine. But snow tire is a mast in MI. Of course, Michigan is very different from Virginia, just my 2c.
I have the space for snows now (2 car garage), but would prefer to also have a different set of wheels to mount them on. Given the old Cayman was so rarely used in truly cold and/or snowy conditions (which are quite a bit rarer in VA than MI) and I am just 5 min from my office (plus we also have an AWD Tiguan), I am just trying to look at options. As long as my PZeros are fine I’ll keep them, but was just noting that more than one person I know was putting AS’s on their Porsche sports cars (as opposed to SUVs / sedans/ sport turismos).

Thanks for the comments. It sounds like the way I drive, I’d notice the difference and regret my purchase of AS tires.
 
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A lot of people these days (or always?) buy Porsche just because they can, and probably don't see the difference :) But if you really feel the car in the corners and drive... spiritedly - you will see the difference.

If you rarely use it it in cold conditions - just don't drive at all in below 32, problem solved. Take SUV on cold days. Then all you need is a good summer tire! :) But if you want to drive in winter, and your winter driving is on average below freezing - two sets of wheels is a way to go. When the time comes - you just swap wheels yourself in your garage. With good jack - you can do it in half an hour or less
 

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A lot of people these days (or always?) buy Porsche just because they can, and probably don't see the difference :) But if you really feel the car in the corners and drive... spiritedly - you will see the difference.

If you rarely use it it in cold conditions - just don't drive at all in below 32, problem solved. Take SUV on cold days. Then all you need is a good summer tire! :) But if you want to drive in winter, and your winter driving is on average below freezing - two sets of wheels is a way to go. When the time comes - you just swap wheels yourself in your garage. With good jack - you can do it in half an hour or less
I have my first Porsche (981) coming in a few days. My driving will definitely be spirited so I was thinking of getting a second set of wheels and I have a few questions. I won't be driving it in snow or ice, but want to drive it over the winter for sure.

If my current wheels are 19", should I consider 18" for winter?
Has anyone gotten a different color? Current are black, but I think silver would look good too.
Should I be swapping when temps get down to around 40 consistently?

Any recommendations? I priced out a set of 18's at tirerack for about $2300. What other options are out there.

Thanks for helping a noob.
 

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FYI, for those that may not be aware, snow tires should really be called winter tires, because they are designed for cold weather, not just snow. When I was a kid we had snow tires, which had a very aggressive tread design which was good in snow, but the rubber compound used turned very hard in cold weather, like summer tires or cheaper all-seasons. They were awful on bare roads.

The winter tires produced now are much softer in cold temperatures and the high end versions allow a surprising degree of performance on dry roads, even in the cold. The downside, of course, is that they wear more rapidly, especially, it seems, in warmer weather. I will need new rears after only 12,000 km or so. An option to consider for someone where the winter isn't snowy is a good set of AS tires for the colder months and the sticky rubber for the warmer months. I will never again try to use AS tires in snow. It's embarrassing to not be able to climb a small hill due to lack of grip.
 

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I have my first Porsche (981) coming in a few days. My driving will definitely be spirited so I was thinking of getting a second set of wheels and I have a few questions. I won't be driving it in snow or ice, but want to drive it over the winter for sure.

If my current wheels are 19", should I consider 18" for winter?
Has anyone gotten a different color? Current are black, but I think silver would look good too.
Should I be swapping when temps get down to around 40 consistently?

Any recommendations? I priced out a set of 18's at tirerack for about $2300. What other options are out there.

Thanks for helping a noob.
Check this thread:

http://www.planet-9.com/porsche-tires-and-wheels/176394-18-winter-wheels-tires-981-cayman-s.html

I included a picture of my car with the winter set, which are 18's.

-18" gives you that much more sidewall to resist pothole damage
- colour - check the pics
- the summer tires are recommended down to 7 degrees C, about 45 F. Some have driven in substantially colder temps, but the tires will get harder and there apparently may be risk of actually damaging the tires.

The Dunlops are great, but seem to wear quickly
 

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Check this thread:

http://www.planet-9.com/porsche-tires-and-wheels/176394-18-winter-wheels-tires-981-cayman-s.html

I included a picture of my car with the winter set, which are 18's.

-18" gives you that much more sidewall to resist pothole damage
- colour - check the pics
- the summer tires are recommended down to 7 degrees C, about 45 F. Some have driven in substantially colder temps, but the tires will get harder and there apparently may be risk of actually damaging the tires.

The Dunlops are great, but seem to wear quickly
Thanks. Your red looks good with either wheel. I have sapphire blue which I think would be good with either too.

So it seems I could go with tirerack for about 2300 or suncoast with a better looking wheel (imo) for an extra 1k (wire tire).

I assume I would also have to buy the appropriate jack to swap the wheels in my garage.
 

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Thanks. Your red looks good with either wheel. I have sapphire blue which I think would be good with either too.

So it seems I could go with tirerack for about 2300 or suncoast with a better looking wheel (imo) for an extra 1k (wire tire).

I assume I would also have to buy the appropriate jack to swap the wheels in my garage.
I agree with the Sapphire Blue. Terrific colour, BTW.

I bought my package from Tequipment, because it wasn't much more than elsewhere and I knew everything would fit. I paid about $4K Canadian, which would have been about $3,100 US at the time.

There are lots of jacks out there; just make sure that it is a low profile. You might want to get a torque wrench if you don't have one. FWIW, I would not leave my summer tires in an unheated garage all winter due to the warnings about potential cold temperature damage to summer performance tires. I actually have my set stored at the dealer. One of these years I will pick them up and do it myself.
 

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I agree with the Sapphire Blue. Terrific colour, BTW.

I bought my package from Tequipment, because it wasn't much more than elsewhere and I knew everything would fit. I paid about $4K Canadian, which would have been about $3,100 US at the time.

There are lots of jacks out there; just make sure that it is a low profile. You might want to get a torque wrench if you don't have one. FWIW, I would not leave my summer tires in an unheated garage all winter due to the warnings about potential cold temperature damage to summer performance tires. I actually have my set stored at the dealer. One of these years I will pick them up and do it myself.
What does a dealer charge to store your wheels and swap them twice a year? I would actually prefer they do it. Otherwise I would keep the wheels in my unfinished basement which hovers around 57 degrees in the winter.

I wouldn't mind that package you have for 3,100. I really like the look of the silver - especially over the winter.

Does the size of the wheel matter if I have SS?
 

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What does a dealer charge to store your wheels and swap them twice a year? I would actually prefer they do it. Otherwise I would keep the wheels in my unfinished basement which hovers around 57 degrees in the winter.

I wouldn't mind that package you have for 3,100. I really like the look of the silver - especially over the winter.

Does the size of the wheel matter if I have SS?
Dealer charges about $400 per year to change and store wheel sets. They also give them a nice cleaning.

By SS I assume you mean X73 - the sport suspension. I don't have it, but lots do and I have never heard of issues with either PASM or X73.
 
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