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I'm jealous of you guys that live in warmer regions. Living in Kansas, makes you that way. Looking at possible snow by mid week. My is car is on winter lock down. Enjoy your warm weather and think us cold weather guys. Be safe and have a happy holiday.
 

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I'm truly sympathetic, I don't know how you guys stand it, locking up the car for months. It would drive me crazy!

I am one of the lucky ones, living in sunny SoCal. I will think of you as I drive around today.
 

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Hm, winter tires and I really look forward to driving on the first snow... Going up the hills (can't call it mountains) on deserted roads....

Agree, dry is even more fun, but living in Germany I'm happy to take the car out every day.
 

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Sorry to hear that pal.
It is pretty sunny here too but it is kinda cold at 12C (50F)
Enjoy your holiday
 

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I did a very fun drive this last saturday in the grey and gloom of southern Wisconsin. It was a lot of fun even with out seeing the sun at all.
The one upside of this time of year is there is very little traffic, no farm machinery or bikes on the road at all. On t same ride in september or October very large combines can be seen on the road, They can take up both lanes of the road.

Its in better to drive than not.

My Michelin Alipins are working well in the cold and damp.
 

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I lived in Kansas for six years - three at Riley and three at Leavenworth. At Riley snow usually came around Thanksgiving and left at Easter. I loved the plains but I hated the winters.
 

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Living in Chicago I already don't like you :)

Got a winter car this year but next it will be time to invest in winter wheels and tires.
 

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Nah...bad weather = great driving days! (just different than the summer) :banana:

Folks that store their Porsches in the winter are missing half the fun (here in Western Canada we can count on getting snow at least 6 months of the year). When I snapped this pic, I had just arrived home and my wife pulled into the garage in the Cayman. Her last two vehicles were AWD SUVs, and she doesn't have any problem driving the Cayman throughout the winter. There were two days last year where the snow was so bad I drove her to work...otherwise the Cayman goes anywhere, anytime. The GTS is also RWD, but because there's more weight over the rear axle it handles snow a bit better than the Cayman. Just moved into the new place in June, and I got the insulation in the walls but not the ceiling before the snow started flying...if we get a couple of warm-ish days throughout the holiday I'll get the ceiling done so the Porsches are a wee bit warmer on cold mornings.
 

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These cars are developed in Germany - not exactly a warm weather environment. Invest in winter tires and use the car year round - that's what they are meant for. Unless the snow is higher than the clearance, the car should be good to go. I'll never understand why people put the cars away for the winter. Just drive and enjoy. Happy holidays to you also.



I'm jealous of you guys that live in warmer regions. Living in Kansas, makes you that way. Looking at possible snow by mid week. My is car is on winter lock down. Enjoy your warm weather and think us cold weather guys. Be safe and have a happy holiday.
 
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Nah...bad weather = great driving days! (just different than the summer) :banana:

Folks that garage their Porsches in the winter are missing half the fun (here in Western Canada we can count on getting snow at least 6 months of the year). When I snapped this pic, I had just arrived home and my wife pulled into the garage in the Cayman. Her last two vehicles were AWD SUVs, and she doesn't have any problem driving the Cayman throughout the winter. There were two days last year where the snow is so bad drove her her to work...otherwise the Cayman goes anywhere, anytime. The GTS is also RWD, but because there's more weight over the rear axle handles snow a bit better than the Cayman. Just moved into the new place in June, and I got the insulation in the walls but not the ceiling before the snow started flying...if we get a couple of warm-ish days throughout the holiday I'll get the ceiling done so the Porsches are a wee bit warmer on cold mornings.
Those cars look so forlorn. :( Nevertheless, I admire you for driving them. :)
 

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These cars are developed in Germany - not exactly a warm weather environment. Invest in winter tires and use the car year round - that's what they are meant for. Unless the snow is higher than the clearance, the car should be good to go. I'll never understand why people put the cars away for the winter. Just drive and enjoy. Happy holidays to you also.
Couple of reasons at least for me:
1. I could get another set of wheels/tires for about $6,000. Gulp. Then I would also have to change them out twice a year - that's a pain.
2. I could take the car to a delaer twice a year and get tires swapped out to winter tires. I have no room to store tires at my house and I don't want to pay that expense anyway.
3. I have three cars so it's not a big deal to leave one in the garage for a while.
4. I never drive my 981 in any type of inclement weather anyway. (Even if the roads are just wet) I like it to look pretty ALL THE TIME.
5. Absence makes the heart grow fonder :)

Number 1 and 2 are just non starters for me. I work 60 - 80 hours a week plus 2 hours of commuting each day. My time is a big deal and I'm not spending it at shops or in a garage doing the work myself. We all have different circumstances. :cheers:
 

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Understood - no offense meant. If you have multiple cars and little time, so be it. I have 2 cars, one is an SUV but I still prefer to drive the P-car and leave the SUV to the wife. I purchased a set of take-off wheels in one size smaller than the standard 20 inch and had Pirelli snows put on them - not cheap, maybe $4K. I store my wheels at an offsite for $120 per year and am charged $50 for the swap twice a year. I usually do the wheel swap and a full detail on the same day - once before the winter and once after the winter. It's not cheap but not outrageous and it allows me more time in the car I like to drive. We all have different needs and desires and I do understand that. My point was simply that there is no reason to put the car away if you don't want to.


Couple of reasons at least for me:
1. I could get another set of wheels/tires for about $6,000. Gulp. Then I would also have to change them out twice a year - that's a pain.
2. I could take the car to a delaer twice a year and get tires swapped out to winter tires. I have no room to store tires at my house and I don't want to pay that expense anyway.
3. I have three cars so it's not a big deal to leave one in the garage for a while.
4. I never drive my 981 in any type of inclement weather anyway. (Even if the roads are just wet) I like it to look pretty ALL THE TIME.
5. Absence makes the heart grow fonder :)

Number 1 and 2 are just non starters for me. I work 60 - 80 hours a week plus 2 hours of commuting each day. My time is a big deal and I'm not spending it at shops or in a garage doing the work myself. We all have different circumstances. :cheers:
 

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Snow tires, man. These cars are great in the winter.

I have a Camry for commuting and most of winter, but I bought snow tires for the Cayman for the days I rather have a little fun.
 

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Understood - no offense meant.
None taken at all and in fact I appreciate different opinions and perspectives. And since you are one of the few active 911 guys in this forum, I respect your opinion even if my car looks and handle betters than yours. :cheers: I was only describing why some folks store their cars for the winter.

Snow tires, man. These cars are great in the winter.
Yeah! I would love to drive these cars in the snow. I've watched numerous videos of Porsches racing in snow and it looks fun! My retirement car is a 911 C4S with a set of snow tires and summer tires. Retirement is a ways off though............
 
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Love that picture f the snow covered cars. I was worried about driving in the winter for a bit. Not anymore. I swear the best thing about this car is that it makes me feel like I am in high school again. Except back then I just throw sand bags in the back of the Mustang. Cars are meant to be driven and I plan to do just that!
 

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I love tearing up these Colorado mountain roads with my Pirelli SottoZeroes. I drive my 987 every day.
 
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LOL. Maybe someday I'll go the mid-engine route. I do love the 911 but think that the 981's are quite beautiful. Enjoy the holidays - I hope the time goes fast until your driving the P car again.


None taken at all and in fact I appreciate different opinions and perspectives. And since you are one of the few active 911 guys in this forum, I respect your opinion even if my car looks and handle betters than yours. :cheers: I was only describing why some folks store their cars for the winter.



Yeah! I would love to drive these cars in the snow. I've watched numerous videos of Porsches racing in snow and it looks fun! My retirement car is a 911 C4S with a set of snow tires and summer tires. Retirement is a ways off though............
 

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Hey Guys got snow this morning. Only about 2 or so inches. Anyway, couple of good points were made in earlier post. Snow tires would make things easier and make it possible to drive year around. I used to own a Audi TT and despite all of reports, I never drove it in the snow. I was told that it would drive like a champ. So maybe I might invest in a 2nd set of rims and snow tires. Just have to make the wife think its a good idea. :kiss: I just have to watch out for folks that don't know how to drive in wet conditions. Give me a recommendation of tire brands that are good in snow. Have a great holiday Lady and Gents!
 

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Hey Guys got snow this morning. Only about 2 or so inches. Anyway, couple of good points were made in earlier post. Snow tires would make things easier and make it possible to drive year around. I used to own a Audi TT and despite all of reports, I never drove it in the snow. I was told that it would drive like a champ. So maybe I might invest in a 2nd set of rims and snow tires. Just have to make the wife think its a good idea. :kiss: I just have to watch out for folks that don't know how to drive in wet conditions. Give me a recommendation of tire brands that are good in snow. Have a great holiday Lady and Gents!
Steven:

Hopefully, you've solved this by now.

For anyone else curious, Michelin Alpin or Pirelli Sottozero seem to be the best sporty winter tires around. I'd suggest getting the sportiest version of either tire in the sizes recommended by Porsche. 255 in the back for winters, I've used 265s and they work but the thinner tire will work better when it snows. Those two brands have N-spec numbers which mean Porsche approves them.

Don't buy anything "stud-able" or plain-jane, like low-end Blizzaks because they truly will make the car handle like mush. Not worth it for a little extra snow traction. Most of us do most of our winter driving on plowed or dry or wet roads, not in deep snow or on ice. There is a Blizzak tire that is made for sports cars in low profile sizes. That one would be OK.

Don't be drawn in by winter traction tests where they measure one tire against another in deep snow and ice. That's not the point! You'll probably be happiest with the tire that does worst in that test because it's likely the one that handles real life plowed, dry, salted and wet roads best and makes your car feel like it should.

Dont' confuse these winter tires with the snow tires your dads used to buy for the back end of the Buick. Those were loud and handled badly on dry roads. Good winter tires handle great and don't make a ton of tread noise.

Good winter tires are a blast. The rubber compound sticks much better to cold, dry pavement. All season tires are a compromise in this area and summer tires border on dangerous below 30 degrees and are dangerous below 10 degrees. Sport Winter tires dig into the snow but they are not supposed to be ultimate snow diggers, they're supposed to be great for all winter conditions and they are. You have to have them on all 4 corners of the car.

Another cool thing is that they ride better than summer tires generally. Limits are not as high as summer tires in summer conditions, but much higher than summer tires in cold and winter conditions. You can find and learn about winter tires at www.tirerack.com . You can find lightly used wheels, some with winter tires installed, in the classifieds here, or on PCA classifieds or Reenlist or a number of other places. Tire rack also sells wheels for winter tires. I'd rather get someone's stock Porsche wheels that are filling up his garage. That's just me. Most of my add-on parts have come from P-9's classifieds. A LOT of stuff. I've found P-9 members to be really honest and open about their goods and transactions have been trouble-free.

The best thing about running my Cayman in winter? It's so well coated and galvanized and the entire bottom back to the engine is covered with thick plastic panels. Those keep the muck out of the intricate bits.

My '95 M3 really didn't like winter. I tried it one season and decided to stop because some of the bits I work on for track days were getting rusty and difficult. This Cayman is on it's 5th winter season and still looks new underneath.

I spray threads and things that look like they could be vulnerable with some wax-oil product from Germany that comes in a can. Not sure of my brand but I know Wurth makes some of this stuff.

I'm happy to say I have a heated (to about 45 degrees) garage. It's just warm enough to keep chemicals from freezing and allow my cars to be dry when I get in them in the morning. I drive an A6 most of the week, but on weekends and one week night, the Cayman gets a workout regardless of the weather.

If any of you're on the fence about driving Caymans in winter, well, I understand. You can save your car for the day you sell it or you can be the one who gets to enjoy it. It's up to you. My car had 16K on it when I bought it. It's at nearly 85K now and it runs better than when I bought it, for sure.

I envisioned using my car mostly for track days. I bought it used and paid minivan money for it. What ended up happening was this:

1. I started reading reports from a lot of other track-rats who had blown up their engines due to a less than fully thought out oiling system on Gen 1 cars. That was fixed in '09.

I bought my car used about the time these '09 cars were coming out. No one knew if they'd be track-worthy or not at that point. I wasn't in to investing new-car money on one of them before knowing more about their care and feeding. I instead invested in a lot of parts to help the my '06's oiling system, power steering system, suspension and air-oil separation system do their jobs better.

2. By the time I'd finished, I'd put enough street miles on the car to realize what a joy it is to drive. I kept my mods modest so as to not destroy the street experience. My exhaust is not stock but not really very loud either. (TUV approved). Similarly, suspension changes have been with comfort in mind.

3. Now, I'm doing fewer track days although the car is really terrific on track. I have the most fun with it tearing up back roads in the SE USA. Love finding my way through the mountains on those little roads. This car is so neutral and corners so flat now, and I've got extra negative camber too, so my cornering limits are pretty high. It also doesn't wash into understeer when you go in hot. It turns IN! Use the throttle to steer it through and get ready for the next one. I will run down to South Carolina once this winter at least with my Sottozeros. If it snows? Well, it'll be an adventure.

There are tire shops that have rooms for their customers' off-season tires. For a fee, they'll store your other tires. It's only twice a year. With an appointment, you can wait for them to change them out...less than 30 minutes. Finding the right shop takes a few phone calls. Compared to driving something boring all winter or buying a winter car, it's cheap and a lot more fun.

I realize we don't all have the same lifestyles and resources, but if you are keeping your Cayman hidden away all winter and you don't really have to, you're missing out on a special experience. They truly are a lot of fun in winter driving.

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