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Goodmorning gentlemen.

I'm having some crazy thoughts lately.

Found a 2010 convertible Audi TT-RS 6 speed manual with same mileage as my 2010 croc.

I'm going to test drive it in the coming few days but what do you guys think of a straight trade up between the two?

I've never driven the RS before, would love to hear your feedback.

I know the TT-RS is faster in a straight line. I rarely track my car. Would I be missing the porsche midengine feel?

Btw, in our country, the CS brand new costs between $65k-70k, while the TT-RS costs over $85k.

All opinions welcomed.
 

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I guess you need to decide for yourself after you drive it. The TT-RS is a nice car, no doubt about that. I say drive it and see how it makes you feel. As long as you are happy I don't think you could go wrong either way. I have heard maintenance on the high performance Audis can be pretty high but the Porsche isn't cheap...
 

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They don't really compare IMHO.

Yes the TT-RS has a little extra grunt, but in the feeling it gives you in driving it is not a Cayman. It's also no looker in comparison and in all round speed on a twisty road or track it is slower than a Cayman, and that's with the TT-RS achieving sub 4 second 0-100 in stock form, so that should tell you a little about the handling.

If you're all about the 0-100 times then the TT-RS with an ECU tune is the way you should go as it will be a good bit quick. In terms of driver fun and satisfaction the Cayman is the easy winner in my eyes.

The TT-RS is a different sort of car and I love the build quality but I personally would not swap the CS for one.
 

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I saw my first TT-RS the other day. Driven my Cayman for about 16 months.

One of these cars looks like a piece of art. The other not so much.

In case you need a hint...the Cayman is the one that looks like a piece of art.

If you want more grunt out of the Cayman just mod it. That is what I intend to do.

I like Audis and am impressed witht he TT-RS straight line performance to be sure. It is just an unsightly car. A VW Bug on steroids.:hilarious:
 

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I love Audi and VWs. We have had 15 in our family over the years.My wife is currently driving an A3 andson a 2012 GTI and duaghter in law a 2012 Turbo Bettle. We have had S4s, TTs et al. I offer this as evidence that we are pro these brands. And yet....when I test drove a TRS last spring, i was very disappointed. The steering was novacaine like, the brakes like on and off switch, the shifter had a very long and somewhat imprecise throw and the ride was harsh to achieve flat cornering. I was actually thinking of one and trading my 08 CS. i did not and instead for a few thousand more got a very well equipped CR.
 

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I love Audi and VWs. We have had 15 in our family over the years.My wife is currently driving an A3 andson a 2012 GTI and daughter in law a 2012 Turbo Beetle. We have had S4s, TTs et al. I offer this as evidence that we are pro these brands. And yet....when I test drove a TRS last spring, i was very disappointed. The steering was Novocaine like, the brakes like on and off switch, the shifter had a very long and somewhat imprecise throw and the ride was harsh to achieve flat cornering. I was actually thinking of one and trading my 08 CS. i did not and instead for a few thousand more got a very well equipped CR.
Curious where in the US you had an opportunity to test drive a TTRS back in Spring of 2011. The earliest build dates for US models are September/October 2011. There was a black AoA car being sent around for driving last year but it was a Euro version and not built to US spec and was also pretty trashed.

Base vs Base price - there is a $10k difference - a bit more than a "few thousand" more. Add comparable options - then that difference easily doubles. Although the difference between invoice and MSRP is much greater on the R - allowing for more deals to be had.

The TTRS has an 8:09 ring time with the 340hp engine - the new version has 20hp more. The Cayman R has a 8:06 ring time with the current 330hp engine - the 295 hp Cayman S with Walter Roehrl behind the wheel has an 8:11 ring time. So - regardless of "feel" - which as always is highly subjective - the two cars aren't that far apart on the track.

I happen to like both cars - and if I wouldn't have bought my Cayman S - more than likely would have bought a TTRS. With simply chip and exhaust modifications - they are putting down over 410hp - and that is with around $1200 in modifications.

While the TTRS will never have the pure feel of the Cayman - if I had waited and not bought an 08 Cayman S - at least I could have taken it on the track and not worried about grenading my engine......
 

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I've owned both.

The TT-RS is a fast coupe that is plagued by understeer at the limit. If you need to drive in serious rain or snow, or cart around a bunch of kids, it's a great car.

The Cayman R is a mid-engine sports car.

I still have the Cayman in the garage.
 

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My memory was a bit off but not by that much...........it was July 29th, 2011 when I test drove the Audi TTRS. It was at Tom Williams in Birmingham, Alabama. If you do a search, you will find the thread I started on July 30th the day after the test drive. The beauty of forums is it gives us the ability to express our POVs. My POV is I prefered the Cayman S based on my driving habits, criteria, and expectations. I started my comment off by validating my extreme liking of the Audi brand. And, that for me (my POV) it fell short. Even at $8K'sh delta it was not the car for me. And, I had strong intentions to trade before the rest drive. My wife and I have had >42 cars and are very willing to trade when we see the value/fit. For me, it did not fit.
To give further insights into my expectations. I test drove a 2008 Carrera and new 2009 Carrera before I bought my 2008 Cayman S. I also had driven a 997 Turbo in April/May of 2011 with real interest in trading in my Cayman S. I also wrote a review on that......it did not meet my desire/expectations around balance and handling. The trade I finally made a couple months back was to get my CR. You may see a pattern of what I like and look for............
 

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TT-RS Roadster testing MagneRide Spring System (MSS) Sports

This Video may help decide - TT-RS Roadster testing MagneRide Spring System (MSS) Sports kit - YouTube

PURPOSE OF TRACK SESSION
1) 2nd Driver tuition for me. Tuition is by my Tuner, Jim from JKM - see :: JKM Motor Services Ltd | JKM Performance | V.A.G Specialists | Telephone +44 (023) 9263 9933 |. This vid is the last session of the day.

2) Further Testing of MSS Sports version.

3) Testing of PFC08.


FEEDBACK...;
1) Driver tuition - Well, I have booked more sessions and this has made the single biggest improvement to me being able to drive the car...what an eye opener. There were the usual regulars on track I run in to during the course of each year and they would ordinarily go pass me especially the stripped out M3 and Caterham...well, we did not get passed and I was able to catch all cars and pass them.

2) The MSS was superb really. I definitely have a winner on my hands and the MSS Sports version which uses the 500Ibs main springs is stiff enough for track use yet soft enough for street use. Jim thinks the PS2 tyres are now the only limiting factor...I concur.

3) Excellent once the initial juddering went away - took 15 laps. Would seem that this first visit to track for the PFC08 required the pads to 'true' up to the disc. I do not recall the PFC01 being the same however I did use the PFC01 for over 5k on streets before a track session...these PFC08 have only seen less than 500 miles street before track action so perhaps understandable. Anyway, performance on track is great and stops the car with no dramas...another happy replacement.
 

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TT-RS Roadster on another trackday...

Managed to drag my backside out for a half day session at Goodwood today - great fun and car performed well in handling and offcourse power areas. Tyres held up well...PS2 are working well for me.

The exhaust is increasingly sounding better with the passage of time - lots of compliments, which was nice and humbling indeed.

GT-Rs are still the benchmark - both of these were way too quick for me...and anything else on the day. Aston V8 - not in video - did OK however was slow in straights and corners or perhaps my tuition is now paying dividend...???

Renault Megan was impressive - owner said it weighs 1200kg mapped to 280BHP...was stock apart from Toyo R888. He was snapping at my heels for the best part of 5-laps...until I run out of talent and humbly pulled over for him to pass...speaking to the driver afterwards he does time trails in his 700BHP GT-R as a hobby...Ohh, Goodwood is his home track...just my bloody luck...! Anyway, I told him next time I will let his tyres down to make it a fair fight on track...

Few cars so had a proper session - probably by far the most laps I have completed on a day...I make it in excess of 75 laps...over the 3-hrs...great value when turn out is this low. Luved the banter and what a luvly day...today is pretty much what I call a perfect trackday...thus...;
- low turnout yet rapid cars to test yourself
- Cool and sunny day
- Car performing well as usual
- plenty of track time as opposed to queuing
- cheap as chips @ £135 for an afternoon of non-stop track time
- appreciative crowd...it is a fun day out not a race...and these guys & dolls today were well behaved
...bliss!

The PFC08 are great pads...noticeable traits were...;
- quick release;
- hardly any wear on disc or pad;
- very strong during braking phase.

I also took note of the rears and it is definitely light when steeping hard on the brakes. I may go straight to larger rear brakes and aggressive pads as the rears need more brake torque.

Some stats of interest...;
- Ambient 7 degrees Celsius / Sunny
- Tyres Cold: 30PSI fronts / 27PSI rears
- Tyres Hot: 35.5PSI driver front & 35PSI passenger fronts / 30.5PSI driver rear & 30PSI passenger rear (these make sense as the track has only 1 left turn and the rest are right turns so load is on one side most of the time).

Enjoy - MSS on Track @ Goodwood 8th Dec 2012-1 - YouTube


UPDATE 9th DEC - part 2

MSS on Track @ Goodwood 8th Dec 2012-2 - YouTube
 
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