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I was fooling with the configuration for the USA (that's what you end up doing after learning your own country's configuration by heart waiting for a delivery) building my 991 tubro. And I was surprised to find the following:
1) We don't have Preferred Package, but we have its features listed separately.
2) The USA configurator has LED PDLS+ in Black. We don't have the black option here.
3) Sports Seats free!!! It's not free here!!! :(
4) The USA Configurator has the option of Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof. We don't.
5) The USA Configurator doesn't have spare tire option. We do. Does anybody know if it's a donut? A CL donut... Oh God!

Hmm... I should finish configuring it on all countries' before receiving my car :crazy:

Did anybody else configure his ordered Porsche on another country's configurator? Did you find any difference in the options?
 

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I was fooling with the configuration for the USA (that's what you end up doing after learning your own country's configuration by heart waiting for a delivery) building my 991 tubro. And I was surprised to find the following:
1) We don't have Preferred Package, but we have its features listed separately.
2) The USA configurator has LED PDLS+ in Black. We don't have the black option here.
3) Sports Seats free!!! It's not free here!!! :(
4) The USA Configurator has the option of Electric Slide/Tilt Sunroof. We don't.
5) The USA Configurator doesn't have spare tire option. We do.

Hmm... I should finish configuring it on all countries' before receiving my car :crazy:

Did anybody else configure his ordered Porsche on another country's configurator? Did you find any difference in the options?
Yes. And you are just scratching the surface on the differences. There are MANY differences in options. Also, the recommended break-in is different in various countries because contrary to Sir Isaac Newton, physics changes depending on which part of the planet you are on (based on the coriolis effect?..snicker...lol.) Actually, it's just a lawyer thing.

Some countries you can get HD tv on your PCM, your remote top actually works without a smart top, your automatically folding mirrors will extend when you unlock the car and the puddle lights come on. I mean really.....I have puddles lights on my mirrors so when I unlock my car, the puddle lights are utterly useless because the mirrors will not extend. It's almost funny if it wasn't so pathetic (I know....first world problem...but 2nd and 3rd world didn't pay $82k for a car either). I brought up all these issues to my delivery specialist at my European delivery. It was entertaining at best. He defaulted to the American litigious environment and then went on a rant about all the law suits coming from America. For break-in , he told me to keep the rpms varied and always wait until temp was above 160 degrees before hammering the car - the 4200 rpm limit was BS. Nothing else (for the engine anyway)

I obliged.
 

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I think most of the 911 differences are because of the items mandated by laws.

So in Germany you get those triangles and first aid kit. In other countries you get a spare tire. The spare is not a donut but the inflatable spare, like the Macan gets now. Obviously the US mandates the hated orange sidemarkers.

As to why some have totally different options, I have no idea.
 

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Yes. And you are just scratching the surface on the differences. There are MANY differences in options. Also, the recommended break-in is different in various countries because contrary to Sir Isaac Newton, physics changes depending on which part of the planet you are on (based on the coriolis effect?..snicker...lol.) Actually, it's just a lawyer thing.
How it's a lawyer thing?
Which countries have no break-in period?
Do we get blue-printed engines, and they don't? ;)

Some countries you can get HD tv on your PCM,
Yeah we have that option listed here. It's a must have option on the back of every head rest here. :crazy: IMO This is the stupidest option on any car.


your remote top actually works without a smart top,
I didn't get this.

your automatically folding mirrors will extend when you unlock the car and the puddle lights come on.
Unfold you mean? It doesn't? So how do you fold/unfold them?

(I know....first world problem...but 2nd and 3rd world didn't pay $82k for a car either).
You're right, we ride camels here. i just ordered a turbo emblem stamped with fire on its a$$.

the car - the 4200 rpm limit was BS.
Who told you it's BS? Details please.
 

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The spare is not a donut but the inflatable spare, like the Macan gets now.
The Macan has all wheels in one size. How come I'll get an inflatable spare? We have two sizes on our 981 & 991.

PS The spare tire doesn't come free here. It's an option I paid for.
 

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No, the Macan has staggered wheels, just like the sports cars. In 20", 295 in the rear, just like a Carrera. This is typical, an inflatable

 

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How it's a lawyer thing?
Which countries have no break-in period?

Unfold you mean? It doesn't? So how do you fold/unfold them?

Who told you it's BS? Details please.
1. It's a lawyer thing because Porsche is worried about Law suits from the US. A 4200 rpm limit keeps Americans in check until they get to know their car or put some miles on it before something breaks. Imagine closing the top remotely and someone gets their finger cut off. US person may sue, UAE? Probably not.

2. Based on what I have learned from planet-9, South Africa, Australia (I believe) and several EU countries do not have a 4200 rpm limit.

3. The only way you can unfold your mirrors on an American model is to get in the car and start the engine or hit the button on the door. You can't remotely unfold the mirrors which totally negates the usefulness of the puddle lights (unlike my Lexus). I should have gotten a refund on this option

4. The delivery specialist who delivered my car to me at the factory in Stuttgart told me this (supported by other P-9ers who did the ED program). He said the 4200 limit was nonsense and that it didn't matter. After a discussion, he said it was based on litigious crap in America including the remote top operation and the folding mirrors. He didn't use those words since he was very professional. He has been working at Porsche in Stuttgart for 15 years. During our discussion, he was clearly animated and irritated about law suits from the US. I spent 30 minutes with him just getting him to agree to allow me to put the front license plate on via a tow hook connection that I brought since I didn't want holes drilled in my front bumper. He was very worried about a law suit. I had already spent a lot of time on the phone and via emails with PCNA to ensure the factory would not drill my bumper (which they didn't). He later took pictures of my setup to allow engineers to evaluate options for not drilling the bumper on some US ED cars. This is a long story. lol. ...but I had PCNA work directly with Stuttgart to not drill my bumper. I used the millworks setup. It held up great even up to 160 mph. :)
 

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I appreciate your feedback, Subwoofer... Thank you.

Two more questions:
1) did you not follow the break in then? I guess you didn't from the video you posted. How many miles now? Any issues?
2) a member here posted that following the break in miles and upon changing his oil he noticed metal fragments in his oil. Confirming the need to respect the break in limits. What do you think of that?
 

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Chows4us and Tom, if that's the inflatable you're referring to then it fits on the frunk and back seat. I still have my 987's.

I misunderstood Chows4us, thinking he meant a full wheel with rims matching the one on the car. Sorry.

Macan having two sizes! That's insane really.
 

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I appreciate your feedback, Subwoofer... Thank you.

Two more questions:
1) did you not follow the break in then? I guess you didn't from the video you posted. How many miles now? Any issues?
2) a member here posted that following the break in miles and upon changing his oil he noticed metal fragments in his oil. Confirming the need to respect the break in limits. What do you think of that?
1. I followed the break-in that the Porsche delivery specialist told me to follow at delivery which is everything except for the 4200 rpm limit which is mostly a north American limitation anyway. In UAE, you probably will not have that limit either but I have not read your manual. I have 14,000 miles on the car now and no issues. I had used some oil in the first 10,000 miles which is normal but just before my first oil change, I inadvertently bounced it off the rev limiter at 8,000 rpm while passing someone in second. :) That seemed to seat my piston rings very well and no oil usage at all since then - I should have done that earlier. I didn't do my own oil change but I observed a Porsche specialist do it and we both agreed that the filter looked clean and metal free. I took the filter home and dissected it and found no metal. I'm sure there was some metal as all first oil change filters will have some metal but I could not detect any. I washed the filter in clean water and dissected it looking for any precipitate or metal - nothing. I did not get an oil analysis done.

2. I read that post that you are referring to but I think "fragments" is not the word he used if I remember right. He said something like "dust" and that ironically he did follow the break in - lol. (I'm going off of memory here) That's what the oil filter is there for anyway. His experience sounds normal to me and is what I expected when I took my filter apart -but I couldn't find any metal at all in my filter. I'm sure there would have been elevated metals in my oil analysis had I done that - normal for a first oil change.

For your question on break-in, there are tons of threads here on that. I don't fault those who change their oil early or limit their engines to 4200 rpm for the first 2,000 miles. We invested a lot of money in our cars and we all have different perspectives, risk tolerances and financial situations. For me, doing the European Delivery was a life long dream and I was not going to limit my fun in anyway. I had some SERIOUS fun too! I was prepared for the absolute worse case which was a $30,000 engine replacement. This would not have been a financial issue for me and would have been well worth the fun I had driving over there. However, I am a lifelong licensed Mechanical engineer and knew that would not be necessary and that the engine would not be damaged by exceeding 4200 rpm. (an arbitrary limit that is not found in Porsche manuals in less litigious countries for the exact same engine). That limit was introduced by lawyers, not engineers.

Engine temp matters a lot which is best observed through oil temp. I was much more concerned about reaching 246 degrees that early in engine life than I was about exceeding 4200 rpm, which is why I dissected my filter to inspect it. However, that temp is still well within operating parameters of the engine. I never exceed 4,000 rpm until the engine is above 160 degrees and warmed up regardless of how many miles I have on the car. That (and regular oil changes) are the most important thing you can do for the engine of any age - it's not just a break in issue. There are a lot of smart people in here and everyone is going to have a different perspective. That's cool and this is just my perspective. I didn't buy my car for some one else and it's never going to be sold. It will be given to my son at my death bed.

If you are worried at all or concerned then just follow your manual - don't lose sleep over it....but you need to hammer these cars too. :)
 

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Off the top of my head, in South Africa we have the following options, which I think are standard in the US:
- floor mats (really!)
- mobile phone preparation
- sport plus seats
- CDR31 plus

we also get a 3 year full maintenance contract included, which covers the cost off all maintenance, excluding tyres and clutches. The agreement is voided should you take your car on a track.
 

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Off the top of my head, in South Africa we have the following options, which I think are standard in the US:
- floor mats (really!)
- mobile phone preparation
- sport plus seats
- CDR31 plus

we also get a 3 year full maintenance contract included, which covers the cost off all maintenance, excluding tyres and clutches. The agreement is voided should you take your car on a track.
Yeah we pay for the floor mats here too. And I see it's very cheap of Porsche!! Who on earth would not want a floor mat? It should be free.
And we pay for mobile preparations and sports seats. I don't know about the CDR because the 991 turbo comes with mandatory PCM.

As for the warranty, we have only 2 years warranty or 60,000 km which ever comes first!!!

I don't know about the track voiding warranty here. But if it does, I'll throw it out of the window after the break in and tune the car to come 2nd to the Veyron.
 

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I think the warranty is 2 years and 90,000kms. Your turbo is going to be extreme!
 

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Off the top of my head, in South Africa we have the following options, which I think are standard in the US:
- floor mats (really!)
- mobile phone preparation
- sport plus seats
- CDR31 plus

we also get a 3 year full maintenance contract included, which covers the cost off all maintenance, excluding tyres and clutches. The agreement is voided should you take your car on a track.
And don't forget we pay for wheel caps.




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You're right, we ride camels here. i just ordered a turbo emblem stamped with fire on its a$$.
very funny and sad at the same time. poor education and propaganda media give some people tunnel vision about the rest of the world.
But there is one thing in planet-9 that unites us: P driving pleasure
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Yeah we pay for the floor mats here too. And I see it's very cheap of Porsche!! Who on earth would not want a floor mat? It should be free.
I fully agree that they should just come with the car and not be a paid option.

Now... that said... one of the very first things I did when picking up my car was to take out the floor mats and chuck them in the trunk. When I got home, they went in the garage where they'll stay. So if it was a paid option, I guess I'd have probably declined.

I'm using Weathertech floor liners and they're quite nice. :)
 

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...one of the very first things I did when picking up my car was to take out the floor mats and chuck them in the trunk. ... I'm using Weathertech floor liners and they're quite nice. :)
Now read this ... http://www.planet-9.com/987-cayman-boxster-chat/104586-987-2-aqua-blue-boxster-s-build-thread-auto-x-drag-road-course.html#post916980 "The previous owner had put some hideous rubber weathertech mats on the floor, so those were promptly replaced with a set of OEM mats ..."

Now you are from the great white north, he is from the South. Completely understandable to me. I know you are probably to cold and snow covered around today. Here, farther south, its was 45 out. Above 40, its good enough for me to drive so when I went out, the first thing I noticed in the car was ... the weathertechs.

Some people like them, some don't. I love the weathtechs because they do exactly what they are meant to do. :) They protect the interior from the wet, slush, and general mess of this time of year.
 

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I fully agree that they should just come with the car and not be a paid option.

Now... that said... one of the very first things I did when picking up my car was to take out the floor mats and chuck them in the trunk. When I got home, they went in the garage where they'll stay. So if it was a paid option, I guess I'd have probably declined.

I'm using Weathertech floor liners and they're quite nice. :)
Nothing is free. The mats we get in the US are already included in the price. Mine are sitting in my garage as I ordered the OEM rubber ones. Would prefer it to be an option as I've always replaced the carpet ones with rubber ones in all my cars.
 
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very funny and sad at the same time. poor education and propaganda media give some people tunnel vision about the rest of the world.
You and I should stand against each other in arms slaughtering each other throat just like our manipulated brainwashed nations do led as sheep by vampire politicians... Our peoples are well educated with the richest history about tolerance in compliance with our holy faith. But look at us now!!! The whole region is destroyed, wrecked and erupting like a dragon breathing volcano. Your family and my family are not safe and won't be for generations.

I'd love to visit your country, eat your best-in-the-world cuisine, live your culture and enjoy your company. But I'm banned from doing so by my blinded government.

It's not the poor education, it's not the media, and I can't blame the outside world... Our politicians made the region a jungle, and the people became predators & preys starring in a bloodbath reality TV show.

...until the last politician is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

PS My apologies to all members for getting off topic.
 
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