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With the assistance of the information in this thread, I went ahead and changed the clutch fluid this past weekend.

Mine is a 2013BB with 60k miles, mostly commuter miles which ended about 5 years ago. Only put on a couple thousand miles/year last 5 years, and it has been in service for 8y 8 months. All street, no track, and I don't have Sport Plus, so no Launch Control/hard launches. PDK scheduled for both oil changes at 120k/12y. I was going to do both oils, but settled on doing just the clutch (no pan/filter) now, so I could focus on just it. Will do the gearbox in a couple months when I do year end service of engine oil, filter, brake bleed, etc.

This (clutch oil change process) really is no big deal. I put the car up on Quick Jacks, pulled the fill plug to see how high the level was (it started flowing out). reinserted it, then drained the clutch fluid. Fluid color was darker than the new fluid, but not terrible. I did one thing different than the posted instructions; When the fluid stopped dripping, I left the drain plug out, and pumped about half a liter into the fill to let it flush out more of the old oil that did not drain from the bottom of the pan. Reinstalled the drain plug, and filled with about 2.5L until oil flowed out the fill hole. Started the car and added about another .5L. When the oil cooler pipe was warm to touch, it then took maybe a few more ounces to flow strongly out the fill hole again (about 1 pump). I quickly reinstalled the plug, and that was it. It all went as expected.

I would only add that it was a bit messy, even with all the right tools, as oil tends to splash and drip. Otherwise, no issues. I recently purchased a Foxwell 530, which states that it will run the PDK calibration. I intended to do that after the test ride, but the process failed to start. That will have to be addressed with the manu., and is for another post.

Clutch take up is a bit better from stand still. Shifts under power were beginning to lose their sharpness before the oil change. they are better now.

I want to say thanks to jjrichar's for detailing your experience in this thread. Although I am an experienced DIY'er who started out as an auto tech many years ago, I was as spooked as many regarding the mysteries of the PDK. Your posting here in detail was integral in relieving my anxiety that this was something only a Porsche tech with PIWIS could perform. So again, Thank you!

I may or may not flush again in the future to remove more of the old oil, but will change the gear box oil soon. At 10 to 12 year mark I will drop the pan and replace it along with all the oil. We'll see what the future brings...
 

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Follow up to my post #30 above, I completed the PDK gearbox oil change this past weekend. As with the clutch fluid change, I followed the instructions and had no complications. Trans shifts and performs perfectly, and I'm glad I did this myself. If you can perform engine oil changes, there really is no reason one can't perform this service. Thanks again for this post and advise!
 

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good to hear! were you able to get the PDK calibration / learning process done?
No, I haven't tried again, since I can get no support for the device. Manufacturer says they only support direct sales. Seller says I have to go to the manufacturer. Amazon said I can return it, but that is not what I am looking for. My only question to them was, Can you confirm absolutely that the device can/does run the calibration. Because if yes, then it is something I am doing wrong, and I would figure it out. No one would answer the question, so for now I've moved on to other things. Running out of energy to fight things like this. It's so exhausting. I'm just getting old I guess. :) Maybe after a few software updates it will work. I'll try again soon...
 

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Regarding PDK calibratiin using foxwell (nt530) , I did it once.
You have to have car at operating temperature, with engine running. PDK in P, and foot on a brake during whole process. It should last around 15mins.
That's great to hear! I tried it several times, ensuring that I met all of the criteria, but since it worked for you, I must have done something wrong. Will continue to try.
 

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I had problem with PDK - occasional grinding noise when downshifting from 4->3 and 3->2, while PDK was cold. Changing PDK fluid didn't help, but calibration solved my problem!

I own apology to @gedwin and to all of you, I just retried calibrating with foxwell and it failed right away. I usually triggered recalibration with COBB accessport, and thought that I did it once with foxwell, but now I am not sure anymore.
It is procedure that could be triggered either with PIWIS, or COBB, or maybe with foxwell. I read that people were able to start the procedure with foxwell for 987, so you should be OK.

Recalibration shouldn't be harmful if PDK is healthy, there are clunks and clutch slips, but I guess it's less stressful than aggressive shifting and driving.
I haven't tried again with the Foxwell, and I know there have been software updates, but I have state inspection coming up and I don't want to chance affecting the readiness for the test, since all codes must be clear before proceeding. So in the spring after the test I will update the Foxwell and try again.
 

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@FlyingBear - that's great info to know. Can you check the version of software that you have on the NT520, as far as I know - functionally the NT520 and NT530 are identical (slight differences in the control buttons.) It would also be greatly appreciated if you can take cell-pics of the steps you take to get to the calibration process.

And interesting that on a later model car (981 I assume) it has the calibration process. I should have checked for this when I had the 2022 Macan loaner.. which has PDK.
I too find this encouraging. I tried again a few weeks ago, but got the same "function terminated" message for my 981. I had all of the updates available when I tried it, but after reading above, I updated again yesterday and there were additional updates installed, though not the Porsche specific file. I am yet to attempt the calibration since this latest update, so will try again this coming week end. Hopefully.
 

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All of the pre-conditions were met other than a vehicle analysis log, which I don't know how to produce, and not sure if the ECU knows it was produced. A quick way to answer that is to ask someone who was successful calibrating, did they produce one. Maybe FlyingBear can answer that for us.
 

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I'm sure you took the steps to satisfy the pre-conditions, but my question was - did the TCU know all the pre-conditions were met? Does it have the ability to monitor these conditions and if so - what was their status?
Good question, but who knows. I wouldn't know how to determine that.

This is like the 10th attempt by me to do this calibration. If I could find another way I would just give up on the Foxwell. More feedback from successful Foxwell users would be great.
 

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BTW - does your transmission actually need the calibration, or are you like me - just want to do it because it's there.. (a dangerous trait I've tried to overcome, without a lot of success..)
I have about 65k miles on the car, and I feel there may be a small deterioration of shift performance since new (could be my imagination). It is my guess that it would benefit from a calibration. I recently performed PDK fluid changes, and I think it would be a good idea to do a calibration, to ensure I'm getting the best clutch/shift performance and wear. Didn't expect it to become such a drawn out issue. Doing the fluid changes was a snap compared to this.
 

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As a reminder, My NT530 did offer the PDK calibration. But after stepping through the preparation screens, after the final OK to start the calibration, it then fails with a Function Terminated screen message. This is on a 2013BB.
 

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I forgot to check on Tuesday evening, so I checked last night. Below is a pic of my screen showing the software installed for my NT530, and it does not run calibration.

We need to find out from Foxwell why the NT520Pro uses different software from the NT530, and will run the calibration, while the NT530 with it's software will not run the calibration.

I previously asked them this question myself, but I receive no customer support. This is because I bought mine from a vendor on Amazon who will not respond, and Foxwell only tells me to contact the vendor. Amazon only offered for me to return it, which I didn't want to do, and that window surely is closed.

Maybe someone else can contact Foxwell with the question?

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Regarding what I posted above, I asked Foxwell why the calibration does not work, not about why NT520 calibrates and NT530 doesn't. Couldn't figure out how to edit the above post.
 

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How did you ask them? My experience was very poor asking them via the support link on their webpage - I got much better results going to their Facebook page and asking via a posting there. They messaged me back, and we did have an intermittent conversation which didn't really have a satisfactory outcome. But at least they started talking to me.


When you say it won't run the calibration - this was on a 981?
Foxwell said they will not provide customer support to me because I did not purchase directly from them. They suggested I contact the vendor. The vendor does not respond to me. I don't have a Facebook account.

Yes, this is a 981BB.

I would think that someone who has access to Foxwell customer support could ask on our behalf, and hopefully get some clarity.
 
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